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Nice what would you say they sound like compared to your old rf-7? I thought they sounded way different but I heard them in a store not at home although they were side by side so still a good comparison. To me they sounded bigger cleaner and harder to localize. (lol my one sentence review)

Amazing speakers congrats you will love them.[] What are you going to run them with?

Amazing speakers congrats you will love them.[] What are you going to run them with?

The less detailed the speaker the more everything muds together.

really good example of this is a boom box, or an old stock car radio everything sounds the same don’t matter how good or bad it is still sounds the same. With the 7s everything to me sounds different it’s a different color or sound every cd or blu ray. I’ve never heard them sound terrible though but I’m kind of picky what I watch or listen to. As good as some old bands are only a some have really good sound like a pink Floyd or something.

I strongly recommend staying reference and if possible get the rc-62 great speaker you will love it and will match your fronts perfect in sound and looks. I never had the rf-62 but had the rf-82 with the rc-62 for a few years loved it. If you watch a lot of movies the center is not a good part to take a chance on imo go with what you know will work great.

There is a really good review of the xpa-2 on audioholics.com he basically said that it sounded as good as his denon 5808 (I think that’s the model. he said is the best avr he’s heard) its 7k and it’s a monster. He also said it was the most powerful amp he’s ever bench tested. It’s crazy because I kind of get scared if it’s cheap I just assume it must be cheap if the price is. However Internet direct companies have really impressed me from my subs to my amp. Just get so much for what you spend.

I have a 2 channel direct mode so I do mess around with just the 7s, and coming from so much bass in my set up (3 subs 2 that are huge) and what the 7s put out going to just the 7s makes it hard to not feel like something is missing for me. But if I sit down and just listen to them from the start it’s a lot better. I think it’s hard not to get a little spoiled when we all use subs so much in ht. 15 years ago subs weren’t very popular in home systems. Just corner load the fronts and eq up the bass. So what we think is good bass I think has changes a lot. But I to have thought about getting a really nice 2channel amp and when I listen to how good my xpa-5 sounds I bet 2 exp-1s our possible 1 xpa-2 even would be plenty.

I run an emo xpa-5 for them it sounds amazing. But there are definitely better amps though. I might get a better 2 channel amp for them down the road not sure yet maybe an xpa-2 or maybe go used and get more value. And haven’t listened to the 7s with just the avr so don’t know how they sound but I would guess still pretty nice.

I bet they will sound very close sorry I haven’t heard them. But like youth said the differences seem more like a tweak then a change I’m guessing that the crossover change gave the speakers .5 better sensitivity rating.

It’s worth having in the collection wait for it to go on sale for like $10 on amazon

I agree that it’s strange that 3 out 5 are out of phase I would trust Audyssey over the other phase test you’re using. As far as hearing the surrounds or turning up the bass that’s just all taste no one should be held to what Audyssey thinks is best. Even if it makes it closer to what the movie was made to sound like. Part of having a home theater is being able to have it as close to how we want it. Audyssey is far from perfect no disrespect to Audyssey(I’m going to get crushed for this lol) but it’s a good starting point and great for people who don’t have a lot of other tools or knowledge on setting it up. Definitely not the end all. And I’m definitely not saying that people that use it would not have a lot of knowledge or other tools I used it it’s a great tool. When Audyssey gets to a point where you can put in a blu ray download it to the a hard drive built into a avr examine the information then calibrate your speakers to that movie set up and adjust it to your room then that would be a set up that we could live by.

The new harry potter sounds amazing if you like the movies it’s an owner

Auto setups turn down the output level of most Klipsch speakers because of their highly sensitive design. An automatic setup such as Audyssey calibrates everything so that -0- on the volume level is reference level. Turning up the output level of the speakers does absolutely nothing except make the speakers play louder at the same volume level on the receiver. It doesn't make the receiver put out more power or raise the maximum output level of the speakers. Yes I have read that as well about it moving everything so that 0 will be reference level. However even with the high sensitivity of the speakers to set them at -12 (in his case the lowest possible setting of the speakers) tells me something is a little off somewhere. And most people will tell you they hit reference levels (80-85db) at about the -15 to -20 areas even with all the speakers set to 0 or less. So that part has always left me a little unconvinced that it does indeed set them so that 0 will be reference level. If I turned my volume to 0 it would easily be hitting the 115-120db range maybe louder. (Best guess could always check) don’t think my ears could take it though. I have used audessey with the denon 3808 and just think that part is a little off. I’m sure there are a lot of different opinions on this though. The 2nd part about the volume just being louder is 100% true. And there is no real advantage to having it at 0 over say -5. Zero is just where I start sorry if I made it sound like one way was somehow better than another. Just giving a reference point to the way I approach setting stuff up after the auto set up is done. There are normally 3 different levels (front/center/rears) the middle levels I will set to 0 then move the others accordingly before I start doing testing buy ears and using the meter. One thing I will say on the level though and maybe others can give their experience. If I put all my speakers at say -12 then turned up the volume to say like 0 or even like +5 and play a blu ray then pause it and listen to the level of hiss coming from the speakers. Now I use an emo amp and a 2k avr so not really the top of the line gear but to me there’s a little more hiss then if I set all the speakers levels to say 0 and turn up the volume to -15. I’m sure with better gear that wouldn’t be an issue.

I'm not sure why either. I just figured it was because the speakers are so efficient? When I had my Sony bookshelfs and other cheap speakers it calibrated all of them correctly. Each speaker had varying levels. As I said my system sounded good. I was just surprised to see everything at -12. The lowet level you can set on the AVR. As far as phase nope it gave me no indication that they were out of phase. I mean they were still working so idk. Maybe it only gives errors when the speakers don't give any sound at all? And I would check the connections but I also have a bird's nest of wires behind my entertainment center. So its gonna be a hassle to pull out my AVR. I may eventually check but I mean I did what the tests said do and I def had two different sequences of sounds that corrected once I switched the wires. Its possible tho that I may have switched 3 speakers by accident. I've been swapping out stuff so much and I'm always anxious to hook up new speakers so maybe I did switch the wires. Idk. But for now I am satisfied. And I def agree on the levels. People like different things. My cave is small and cozy so I didn't have to tweak any levels after I set them to 85db. My surrounds are pretty close so they're already loud enough for me. But I like to feel explosions so I turned up my sub a little more. Different strokes for different folks. Nonetheless I'm satisfied. Everything sounds better. My soundstage is better and my center has never sounded crisper. Even on low volume now I can still clearly hear it without using "night" modes. But as I said I don't know if its bc of phase or bc I turned up the levels or a mixture of both. But I'm done blabbing. And this may sound like a dumb question but what is ES? A sound mode? No problem I babble all the time. ES is a sony line like pioneer elite. What they consider there Elevated Standard. It doesn’t use audessey it uses a sony technology. Audessey is probably a little better does more things. If you’re just going to run the test and let it be audessey would definitely be the better of the two. Have you ran an auto test again sense you flipped the wires? When you run the test and it’s done look at the picture and look around at the speakers in the picture it should say above or below in red (mine is red might be different) out of phase. Just to see flip your center (or whatever is easiest) run the test and look for it. Other thing you can try is on your sub flip it out of phase (if it’s at 0 flip it to 180) run the test and after the auto test is done look at the sub and see it should tell you that it’s out of phase then you will know what it looks like. I should have asked this before lol does you avr have on screen set up (tv)? And one other thing if your audessey set any speaker (other than sub) at -12 something’s not right. Remember two that you thought it sounded good before and it was out of phase so there still might be a few tweaks to make even though it sounds amazing now. []

You are right the rc-64ii is not timbre matched to the rf-83s amy came on and confirmed this

Audessey works pretty good I run ES so no audessey but I have had it before. The levels that any auto set up gives to me should always be moved to around 0 to start then up from there unless your surrounds are right next to you. Why the auto set ups turn everything way down is beyond me. Manual for level is always best I use both the meter and my ears for level because that’s more a taste thing. Like how much surrounds you want is going to be different from other people. I like a lot so I run them a few db hotter. Not a fan to just set everything the same level db (like set to 75db) it’s a good start but never ends up staying there. One thing I’m a little lost on didn’t your audessey auto test tell you that your speakers were out of phase? And 3 out of 5 that seems fishy to not get your + and – right on 3 out of 5 I would double check that with your cables. Not the test.

The only thing the same is the name rf-7 other than that everything else is different. Box size all the drivers are different same size but different the crossover is different the port placement is different. When you see the 2 speakers side by side they only resemble each other from the 2 10s and a horn look. The rf-7ii is a totally different speaker. The new ones are 4” taller and a half inch deeper I heard them side by side and when you a b them it’s a totally different sound imo.

I can’t give you much info on placement for the La Scala. But on subs I feel I got a pretty good grasp on what works and what does ok on subs. First thing internet subs are 100% value if you go with svs/ed/hsu/epik you will be very happy with the bang for buck and probably end up getting a 2 or 3 to 1 value on your dollar. Get 1 or 2 of one of them and you’re done. []

Love it man looks great can’t wait to start on that stuff.

Guess it depends on what article or thread you read. This article suggests PCM. Some other threads I've read say Bitstream. Here is the way I look at it. The best method is determined by whichever component can decode the best. If a bluray player does a better job at it, then you should set it to PCM. If your receiver does a better job at decoding, set it to Bitstream. If you have the Fat PS3, you don't have a choice. You have to use PCM. When I first purchased my PS3, I looked through countless threads on it trying to find out what settings I needed to change to allow my PS3 to bitstream. What I found is that it can't. Either way, one of the two components has to decode the data. To me, either method should sound the same unless as I mentioned, one has a better "decoder" than the other. Guess the only way to know is to try both and see if you can hear a difference. My guess is they will both sound the same. That makes sense i kind of went through same thing when I got an avr with the new modes. Thought I read it was bigger (pcm over bit) can’t recall for sure very possible was someone’s opinion and not a fact based article.

In my room I’ve had the rs-42 rs-52 and now the rs-62ii I would say that if you get the rs-52ii you won’t need another set of surrounds again. You could get by with the Rs-42but you would probably end up upgrading down the road (wish I thought of this hundreds of dollars ago lol)

About the 2nd part

Please; if you can..... look and let me know as I am considering an old PS3 used in the near future..... Thanks! I think I’m wrong

Isn’t pcm better than bit stream? I thought I read that if you can run both always go pcm the size is bigger isn’t it? And I guess I’ll have to look but I have the old 60 fat ps3 I could swear I can do 1 or the other (bit stream/pcm) ??