Panacea Engineering

Trey, Let's see....you want to bust our chops for joking around a little, but you have NO comment on what Alex said, other than he is coming to the rescue of the OP? You don't think his comment was a bit smartallec, also...or is it because he is a Klipsch employee, that it is OK for him to to be a little "cute", also. I doubt that you will find Klipsch in any top ten poles, but that still does not limit their Customer Service, as was just shown by Alex, even though he even poked a little fun at the OP. Don't you think it was silly for the OP to blast Klipsch for working normal hours...come on..... Ease up...life is too short and by all means have some fun. We ALL from time to time like to joke and poke around a little.........sorry that you took it SOOO seriously.

Michael, I think that I told you, the last time we met, that I had started with a new Pain Management Doctor. Well, I can only say that I wish I had made this change three years ago, as it is all of the difference of night and day. I was able to make the trip and drive both ways (1026 miles) which is something that I could have NEVER done with the previous Doctor. It was really a time for change, as all "WE" were doing was arguing with each other and I could never make him understand what I was going through. He (the new Doctor) has managed to get my pain relief to last to about seven PM which is a huge improvement over the last Doctor who could only give me half of a day of relief. When I say relief, I mean the pain is tolerable, not devastating, as it was before. I am at least able to function somewhat normally until seven PM, where before, I was only good to about eleven or twelve noon. After seven, it is pretty much a battle of will for me to make it to bedtime. Once I am in bed and imobile, I am able to at least go to sleep, relatively comfortable. My waterbed has been a true lifesaver, in this case as it allows me to get comfortable and sleep. My level of pain in the mornings, when I get up, are still "killer" but he has me on a nerve relaxer which makes it a bit easier to tolerate. When I get up, I have to take the medication and actually sit motionless for about forty five minutes, before it finally kicks in.Anyway IT, is much better now and thanks for asking about my back. W. C.

Michael, First, I really appreciate you guys (that sounds sooo Yankee like) interest in this project. Like the other ones I am working on, the interest from your peers will certainly give you incentive to continue. You are right about the pieces being anodized and yes, the layer is very thin and will chip off. Also, depending on the metal mix used for the base material, some had a galvanic reaction with the annodization (sp?) [heII, I don't even know if THAT is a word], and caused the base metal to "Powder" through and break down the inner/outer layers. If you look at some pieces very closely you can see this starting as bumps, if you will and they will grow over time. One of the hardest things I had to do was to research the base metal and find out actually, what it was. There were several different combinations used, some good and a few, very bad. It was driven by the raw material cost at the time as all of these were "farmed" out. The material we are going to use will not "react" and hopefully be a lot better than the originals. As to the long pieces, they will not be brittle as we aren't going to use any "Pot" or "white" metal in the mixture. The material cost is going to be considerably high but I have found a source that will sell it to me bulk at a very reasonable price. I am hoping that these will take off as they are very good protectors for the edges, there is nothing like them on the market and they will work for most ANY speaker. I am working with a larger company to hopefully market these in the near future. They will also be offered in hard plastic resin, which will not chip, crack or break and withstand hard impact very well. The straight pieces will be cast in the various length needed and just a bit longer for trimming purposes. All of the counter sunk screw holes all will be cast in their original positions but off just a bit, so that the screws will grab "fresh" wood. A lot of the original holes have become rotted, due to moisture exposure and time and some of the screws just fell out. Klipsch applied glue on their installations of the pieces. The nice thing about the glue they used is, it becomes brittle and a blow with a "dead" hammer will dislodge and set them free. On the trapezoidal cabinets, there are two different corner pieces. Also, the LSI is different than the MSM, as one leg is shorter on the LSI corner pieces. This was because of the very small space between the pieces on the back of the LSI box. The straight piece is just over an inch so they had to shorten the "leg" on the angle bracket to give them enough room on the straight piece to get a screw hole in there; Hope that made some sense. The front sharp angle piece is the same for ALL of the boxes. BTW, THAT is the most difficult piece to cast as it takes a four part mold. I could "make" it work with three but I think over the long haul, the mold will get damaged or wear out, quicker Pictures to follow and more later, W. C.

Yea, they probably cut the email off at 5:00PM also....WAIT, Is that Eastern, Central or Pacific time...Oh Nooooooooooooooooo, Mr. Bill...! Slugo is out to get you...! Anyway, Klipsch has one of the finest Customer Service records of ANY company in business today. Email them and be patient, the world does not revolve around YOUR particular schedule.

Sorry, Double......

Library...? What's a Library...? I thought they all closed down when Al Gore invented the Internet...! Anyway, great advoice...! I think I even I have a Library card around here somewhere, I believe it is with my Voter Registration Card....GUESS I had better dust both of them off....![H] Thanks for jogging my memory...see, two heads are better than one...hence why I need help on the testing...Come on guys.......think of it as a damn vacation...all expenses paid...I can certainly afford one of you cheap bastards....!

Epoxy

Gil, SO, if I understand correctly; The woofer impedence sweeps that I did a few pages back are providing us "most" of the information that we need to get started? Please remember, these were taken with and UN stuffed chamber, where the Golden Jubilee is completely filled with soft foam. Gil, thanks to you, Mike and djk, for taking the time to really get into this, in depth, as I had got to a point of not knowing, in what direction I should travel. As a reminder, the test subjects are: Golden Jubilee - Reference Cabinet A has the K-12 Stock Passive Cabinet B has the Passive from Hell (TC Sounds VMP 12), which has about four pounds of washers that can be installed. It is loaded, at present, with 400 grams. I will go back and check, but I do not believe that we did a sweep on the B cabinet, as of yet. Just the Golden and the A Cabinet. The nice thing about the Dayton woofer tester is, it is very simple to hook up and test with. I also have a Kenwood CS6040 ocilliscope, if needed. I also looked into purchasing "The Loudspeaker Handbook" Man, they are pretty proud of that Puppy....at $150.00 plus dollars.....Probably will be leaving that one out of my Library, for a while..... W. C.

This is the exact reason that I need HELP.....! You guys are talking sooooo far over my head, it isn't funny........... The ONLY thing I can add to this is;...Yes you can see the passives very well as the Jub-Like Drones I have Plexiglass Trap doors.

That's kinda what i did. The rack rails are readily available in any length you want up to eight feet and relatively cheap if you can cut them yourself.....

RICK, The sign is GREAT....Most of the time "Less Is Much More"....! W. C.

Nelson has several very good SUB projects on this list page. Ther Sonatube one is very simple and clean: http://www.passdiy.com/projects.htm Have FUN....!

Gil, Thanks for taking the time to reply. The information that you are providing is very valuable to this project and the kind of stuff that I need to know. For testing I have two different passives that can be adjusted and THAT is the area that I need help in. The fine tuning of the passive is the key to this whole project and I need badly, for someone to hold my hand through the process. Again, I am looking for verification of what I am attempting, so there is NO doubtin aanyone's mind, as to the reliability of the testing. I hope that made some semblance of sense. You wanna come to Charlotte for a few days, my schedule is certainly wide open....? I would be honored if you could find the time to help me out with this.

Carl, Thanks....I'm sure that the "required" testing is probably very simple and I have no doubt that I could do it. My biggest concern is the pundits and naysayers on here and in the general public of interest, that will attempt to rip apart anything that I do on my own and I will not have a comeback for them. The idea of two, relatively competent people doing the testing will take any bias out of it, which I may have. I want someone else with expertise and a neutral attitude to verify everything about these speakers, at the time of testing. That way, NO one can say....[bs] You are right, with the amount of time and cost that are involved, this will be a very small issue and have a huge payback, in the long run. Anyway, whomever comes, it will be a grand time for all.....!

The problem with server racks is; They are not threaded for 10-24 screws which is the standard for the Audio/Video rack industry.

Time for a little story: This past Sunday, I took a Carry Concealed Handgun Class (CCH) which is a requirement to obtain a Carry Permit in NC and most other states. The class was nine and a half hours of very intense training and well worth the cost, time and effort to take it. (I would certainly recommend this class to ANYONE that is involved with handguns…!) Since I am retired, I figured that I will be spending just about all of my free time at home/shop, which is in an Industrial neighborhood, that I should at least be “Legal” to carry a weapon. I have been around guns all of my life, have had formal training (Military) and was an avid hunter up until I went to Viet Nam (Whole “nother story”). Anyway, to make a long story short, I learned a whole lot about the safe use of firearms, handling them, the use of “Deadly Force” and self protection. While I thought I knew everything there was to know about guns, I was sorely mistaken and found this class to be some of the best time that I have spent in recent history. The instructor was a professional, a championship shooter and generally made the class interesting as hell. Nine hours is a very long time to hold peoples attention and he did it with ease. This whole experience taught me a very valuable lesson; In general, if you want to know something in depth, find a professional and learn from them, very simple formula. I have, for the most part, been self taught and while I will acquire most of the information that I need on a subject, I am not all that familiar with, learning from a true professional, is the best course of action. That leads (I guess segway would have been a cuter phrase) me into my next statement, in reference to the Jub-Like Drone Project: This project has been on hold for a while, due solely to my lack of understanding about the proper way to test these new speakers. While I have acquired all of the test equipment known to man, have studied the proper procedures until I am blue in the face, I have absolutely zero comfort level in the fact of whether I will be able to do the test right and be able to present any kind of proof to my peers (here and elsewhere) that the test were done properly and that I had any idea of what I was doing. I know that if I do the test, I will have to provide documentation to the public and be able to explain exactly what I did with some sense of intelligence. Here in lies the problem,; while I THINK I know what to do with them, and what I should do, I have NO confidence in myself at all, in this area. I want to be able to provide solid information, that can not be questioned and I am pretty sure that I am at a point of needing that EXPERT level of person to HELP me get through these test. It will be a learning experience for me, help me to be able to provide very accurate information and will be the milestone, by which this new speaker design will fly in the future. This is the main reason that I have been putting the testing off, as I am not that sure of myself, to do the process, it is THAT simple. Here is the DEAL: I will pay ALL expenses, to anyone that is willing to come and spend some time with me and do the proper testing of the Jub-Like Drone Project. This can be during the week, over the weekend and can cover several trips, whatever it takes to get it done. I have everything here and have the set of Goldens to use as a reference set of speakers. There are several of you out there that have the credentials and qualifications to do this and I am seeking your help, to get this project back on track. This is a serious offer so please give it some serious thought, if you are interested. Everyone has been GREAT in their support of my/our efforts on these speakers and now is the time to get them finished, as I know there is a lot of interest out there. They will either be a winner or will fade away as an unsuccessful venture. Please PM or email me if you are interested. W. C. Charlotte, NC P.S.: Also….All the Bud you can possibly drink…..! (That should get some takers

There is a LOT to be said about this statement.....!

Mike, We are going to cast all of the straight pieces, as well to include the right angles for the various cabinets. That will leave only minor trimming for the final fit. I am trying a new material tomorrow, that is "supposed" to be the same material that the originals were cast from. I have been working with someone that is very familiar with this process and was involved in the original casting. One of the problems was finding the right silicone for the mold, that would allow me to 'Hot" cast the pieces. As you can imagine, this is not a cheap process and I can understand why no one has tried it before. Two years worth of research and we are very close to having the finished product. The epoxy pieces that I am showing below were just for the mold test. Sorry for the blurry picture, I will take some macro shots tomorrow...... On another note, I am picking up a Kenwood L 07D turntable next Tuesday and I am very excited about BOTH f these projects.....! W. C.

Number one rule of soldering....Never wear shorts while soldering...ask me how I know...? Also, solid wire is not very condusive to crimp connectors, they will work loose no matter hard you try to crimp them.

We are making molds for ALL of the pieces that were made. I have pristine examples of each one. It is a very time consuming process, as some of the molds have to be three part. I tried in vain, two years ago, to locate the original molds and got very close, as I tracked them down to the original source, they NO longer exist. MSM, MSSM and LSI Tops use the same angles, just the straight pieces are different lengths. The straight pieces will even have to be re cast, as there is nothing available, that is the same, as it uses a reverse chamfer on the outer edges. This has certainly been an interesting adventure and I MUST get back to testing the Jub Drones, talk about putting somehting off....! I have NO excuses, as the weather has turned and I can not blame the wind and rain any longer.....! I need serious help with that. I will keep everyone updated on the progress. W. C.

It's very surprising how much gets accomplished, when powered by Bud................I know, it sets a very bad example for our younger viewers, but they have to learn somewhere......[6]

Fourteen years as a starter, at a dragstrip, didn't help much either. The jungle explosions were light work when compared to ten thousand (10K) horsepower of force fed, Supercharged Nitro burning steel, five feet away from the exhaust......! (Days before rear engines) I shudder to think of the many times that a blower let go, on the starting line, right next to me...talk about luck, as this was before all of the safety systems, that are in place now. Nothing like an Impellar that took out the Christmas Tree on it way to the Spectator Stands. That is nut one of many stories....also watched a 390 Ford spit out four intact/complete pistons (with connecting rod) as they looked like bowiling pins laid out on the strip, evenly spaced apart, about 150' out..... You are absolutely right....PLEASE take care of your hearing, as it doesn't "GROW" back....! Great Post

Ace, Sorry to hear about your injury and I wish you a Complete, NOT speedy, recovery. Please don't rush it for the sake of trying to get back to work sooner. If it was a work related injury, I may be able to offer you some valuable advice, as I just got through with a three and a half year battle, over Workers Compensation and finally prevailed..... Please PM me if you feel that I may be able to offer some help as there are many milestones that can hurt you in the long run. W. C.

Rick, It is still something, that you have committed yourself to, for 'Everyone Elses' Enjoyment" and that IS truly a labor of love. Even though you say it is "Easy" it is still, a time consuming task. Anyway.......what you are doing is truly appreciated by THIS member and please keep it up....! And Now, Back to Our Regularily Scheduled Programs......... Thanks AGAIN, W. C.

Rick, I just want to say that the amount of time, that you are putting into these daily "Snipperts" and the amount of information, that is provided, is extraordinary and awesome.....! They make for a huge knowledge base and window, into our music history. They make for very valuable and interesting reading and I for one, really appreciate your efforts.....! THANK YOU.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! W. C.