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I am shopping for pool side/ eave mounted stereo and would like to hear folks opinions. I am looking at various options, but have been most interested in: SA-2 SA-3 HS-1 CA-5T I am least sure of the HS and wonder about the bypass on the 5T for 8 ohm operation (what does that do, if anything, to the efficiency rating?). Any and all opinions appreciated. Other options will be gladly reviewed.... Thanks in advance.

The fact that you have the twins simply irritates me. Now that you have gotten this I am really P.O.ed...

All info seems good to this point. If you have the connections as analogue two channel to the DVD the best you will get is the dolby pro logic coding - this seems to be verified by the back (side) surround being one signal. Pro logic doesn't have tons of really low stuff output - I have to bump my output level by a minimum of 4db to get it near what i want (the same with music for me). First glance says your connections look fine. Even under these conditions you should be able to test the sub for performance. I would first see if I could change the out put level in the receiver. If not here you can always bump the amp at the subwoofer. Play a bit of blues with some drum and bass guitar work that tends to be below your x over point and see what happens. You could try to raise the Xover point in the reciever to get more output to the sub. My 20-39pci is a very capable beast and the SVS have a fairly low mortality rate on their speakers out of the box - so the first look should be near you connections, DVD set up and reciever. Expect to be very much pleased with a digital connection (coax or optical) from DVD to Reciever.

---------------- On 1/10/2005 8:53:14 PM Mick Bell wrote: Al, I'm assuming I'd need 8 ohm 902's for use with 811b horn, ALK crossovers, and K-77-F Tweeter. Is that correct? Mick Bell ---------------- You can use either the 8 or 16 ohm versions as long as you make the appropriate Xover modifications. I have found that this is easiest with the compression drivers than with the woofers. Now, to take the position you will get from Al - to be as near perfect as possible you should put the horn on the driver and get a 'real' theile small measurement before finalizing the crossover. The big however is that JBL/Altec did a pretty decent job of measuring their drivers and you can usually get good results off spec sheets (although my quick look only showed measurements for this driver with a 511b). If you are going this far, have you considered the JBL 2404 as a replacement for the K-77? In my mind's eye I would do this with the K-55 - I really like the 2404 tweeter. I would think it would work well with the 902 as well.

---------------- On 1/2/2005 10:07:42 PM Daddy Dee wrote: Greg, Great score on the walnut pair and the "D" model. It ain't pretty, but is a cool piece. The WhiteWater Tavern in Little Rock had a pair of those hanging upside down in the corners of their main room. Played LedZeppelin LOUD back in the 70's. ---------------- Oh man Daddy - I hadn't thought about the old WhiteWater in quite some time. It was one of the special places in my past - we probably rubbed elbows there afew times and didn't even know it. I would have been the guy with long hair

I thought it was your full name - Cablack Smith. I figured you were Amish.....

---------------- On 1/3/2005 11:35:30 AM seti wrote: I would love to have a pair of these someday just to own a pair of klipsch history but how do they sound? ---------------- Get them for history not the sound. While other's may disagree - I find the top very thin and the bottom unimpressive. They are worth much as historical, but many would prefer the sound of Heresy comparatively. All is IMHO

---------------- On 12/31/2004 5:27:31 AM DrWho wrote: I wonder what advantages there are (if any) of hornloading a passive radiator...or of hornloading both the front and rear of the same driver. I also wonder how hard it'd be to add a port to the khorn. I know there's not that much room in the cabinet, but there's gotta be some way to vent through the top or bottom of the cabinet. ---------------- Great discussion folks - just about the time I say to myself 'Self, nothing much entertaining here'. I think the Phone booth doctor has something here - if you can create a backloaded horn what would happen if you took the back waves transistioned to a passive then front load? Intriguing to say the least, but if memory serves correctly doesn't the passive have some of the same tendencies of porting - that being that it is most effective at or near the tuning point. If that is the case you would be faced with some more worlk to be sure that the passive horn loading is not more efficient than the rest of the LF being covered by the bin. As to delay - this gets very dicey with my ear - some of the waves are so long anyway that it becomes darn hard to manage the timing associated with your ear. I would imagine one needs to work pretty hard to introduce a significant delay that would be heard by our mostly 'untrained' ears. Fun read - keep it up guys.

This thread needs a contra opinion so here goes. With a quality subwoofer I have found that a 'small' setting where 60hz - 80hz is the highpass works best in almost all sources, including 2 channel. The quality sub is the important part to my ear. As always use a meter and set the spl by channel and enjoy the sound regardless of your crossover settings.

I have had the shorting that Rick is discussing - so check close. On my 740 (a different beast, but something may apply) I had something very similar happen - I ended up going to the speaker system 2 connections and all cleared. Since it has worked this way for about a decade I haven't looked for the root cause...

---------------- On 12/20/2004 8:36:56 AM Croc wrote: what is that? i thought that there are some kind of common knowledge about this issue based on many people expirience. ---------------- From my experience what Dean is trying to say is that everything regarding the reproduction of sound is in some manner colored - Our wonderful Klipsch heritage speakers do it, all amplification does it and our media does it. When the opinions start to flow regarding quality equipment you get 'colored' responses. Folks like to tone down the unfolded horns, folks like to accentuate the unfolded horns, folks like a gentle roll off on low freqs, folks like the low freqs to boom, and on and on. Couple that with semantics (what does warm mean to Bill vs. what it means to Carol) and everything gets fuzzy. You have two choices - learn which folks 'ears' best match yours so you know how to judge the value of their opinion for you or take a gamble and just listen for yourself. The fact is that regardless of the opinions you get - you will eventually listen and judge for yourself. Folks opinions are not worthless per se - they just may not apply to you....

---------------- On 12/19/2004 10:13:55 AM colterphoto1 wrote: I dunno, to simplify (although I enjoyed the lengthy post DaddyDee), It's called FREEDOM OF RELIGION, the right to practice however you want. In my humble thinking, this also means anything goes so long as you don't interfere with the rights of another to practice his religion of choice. So all the nonsence about decorating, prayer in school, icons in public places etc. doesn't really matter. Just go out there, do what you wish peacefully and enjoy life. Bashing each other's institutions is a childish way of putting their religion down to make yours look better. It's not a competition. My God is not better than anyone else's God because to each of us, there is only one anyway! It's much to short of a journey to spend time worrying about what the other people are doing. I wish my Jewish friends, neighbors and clients (yes I have all three, although they are like 2% of our cities pop.) Happy Hanukkah and they wish me Merry Christmas. It's that simple. I'll close with a nice WalMart friendly Happy Holidays to all.. Michael ---------------- Three cheers for Michael... Thanks for remembering that it is important to not just have a government based on individual freedoms, but be willing to practice it personally on an ongoing basis (which, BTW, is what Brennan was trying to say if folks stayed away from the percieved tone). Whether it is Christmas, holiday, etc. - I enjoy the day off. Regardless of religious obsrevation I think it is cool to focus on family - I don't need to be concerned with the roots of the celebration to enjoy that. As to the company party - I have said before that business by nature is allowed to be either amoral or secular (and any flavor in-between or otside of the scope). I would suggest that folks not let the PC side of things get in the way of their personal enjoyment of the season. I love this time of year - folks seem genuinely more friendly, helpful and good spirited. There is an abundance of smiles and heartfelt well wishes. Since the celebration of Christmas is the reason, I have to give this religious holiday a two thumbs up.... Happy political correctness to all, and to all a good night.

---------------- On 12/17/2004 12:01:49 PM dodger wrote: Somebody was watching over - thanks. dodger ---------------- Prego I also have watch over you next Wednesday -

You have got one heck of a project on your hands. I agree with Tom on all recommendations - most importantly DJK. The 800 networks are fairly readily available. You may want to check at the lansing heritage board to see if any are for sale. That mid horn appears to have a pretty long throw based on my experience with similar shaped lens - I trialed a couple of similar and found that the most comfortable listening was past 12 feet away. As to the piezo - badly networked or as a standalone I always find piezos irritating my ear. However, I have used them on some pleasing projects - I use a Zobel as my filter management device. Good luck.

---------------- On 12/14/2004 4:00:01 PM Colin wrote: I have weighted down both speakers, tube pre-amps and CD players and liked the slight improvement.... ---------------- Yo Colin - I am not against 'securing' things - clearly using wieght to stabalize a speaker can have positive results and sand is the most common. I am not as sure about your amp, but may see some value regarding the CD player - it could work a bit like damping. My comment though is based on a gallon bag full of sand on top? I think there is either some leg pulling foing on or I may just not go for the aesthetics of sand bags. I suggest taking a close look - some stuff there is OK, but others stretch my sensibilities.

Rush Limbaugh in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? What has the world come to....

The tweak section is very funny - I had to look several times to be sure this was not a subpage of 'The Onion'. Gallon bags of sand on top of the CD player for more 'centered' sound, stuff fiber in the BR port and (my personal favorite - just from an asthetics perspective) wrap the tone arm with teflon tape. I am thinking of submitting something along the lines of a sonic defibbulator to revive dead tubes....

Just to agree with Tom and add a couple of sense (spelling intentional) worth: In the other thread here regarding second chance the second chance offer was displayed. On this offer you clearly see the name of the sender and it is clearly labeled as an Ebay indirect Email (as Tom said, unless you respond directly your addy is not visible). The sender does not match names in any way to the original seller. The Ebay disclaimer is part of the message that describes that your response will deliver your addy. So - in this case you can pretty well see the scam turn. In that same thread another smart thing happened - directly contact the seller from the original page and ask directly. I have had a couple of very nice second chance purchases, but I have had a couple of the scam attempts. I recommend one always reports them to EBay - darned if I know whether they do anything with it, but they sure can't help stop this stuff without our help in identification of the guilty parties.

---------------- On 12/8/2004 9:10:53 AM Ray Garrison wrote: When a post is labeled "O/T" that usually means it is off topic as far as audio goes. See, if you don't click on the little button, it won't open up and offend you. Hope this helps. ---------------- Well said Ray...

Regardless of words used - these do look special. I am watching closely...Craftmanship has Klipsch written all over it.

Good advice from all - my two cents. On the belle or lascala as the better solution (assuming that Q-Man is the only one here both patient and talented enough to make the sidways Khorn work - great stuff) I am not as concerned with the bass (that can, and probably should be, augmented). The big issue to me is the midrange - both these alternatives match the all important midrange best.

Yea Max - I have tried to say this in various ways over the last couple of years, but never did it as well as you just did. Your message is exactly why I have so many variations - SS, Tube, HT, CD, TT, ADVD,etc. The quality of the recording is the issue and there are times it is best on vinyl and other when it is on CD (of some sort). To add my two cents - A supposedly remastered for digital, end all to beat all Led Zeppelin IV (the unnamed album) on CD played on the primary system with everything in tip top shape sounded OK. I decided to put on my 25 year old + vinyl of the same with my secondary system running through the old fisher 400 with my homebrew speakers (trust me - not shabby) and 'shazam' was it ever such a delicious experience. I cannot listen to the new CD now. Conversely, a beautifully mastered CD - Elton John's 'Madman Across the Water' blows the socks off my supposed master disk vinyl of the same. On never knows....

---------------- On 11/29/2004 10:23:58 PM lipinski wrote: Can you imagine playing on that concrete with a plastic pad. i don't think so. ---------------- In the 70s when I was earning my way through college via football it was the rage to have the concrete pad astroturf in most of the venues - outside none the less. That stuff was very much like the crap you put on outdoor patios. You end up with rug burns that will not go away through out the season. I still carry scars from this burning. Your knees hurt continously. It is exactly like running on concrete. The traction is excellent. Us big guys couldn't go full speed except straight away, otherwise inertia would send the upper body one direction that was contrary to the direction of a planted foot. The little quick guys became darn hard to keep up with. You learn to fall differently than on regular turf. If you don't exhale as you are going down you end up cracking a rib. I never played indoors and have a hard time envisioning the game without the elements. We really did look forward to playing on real grass. It may have slowed us down a bit, but it did open us up to be more reckless with our bodies. The old concrete astroturf wasn't such a good thing to the players. This newer, plusher version like they have in may of the stadiums gets great reviews from the players.

Great read on the emotion or lack thereof in sound. What I see is that several of you may agree with me when I focus on the math of music. The mathematics portion of how music is composed, conducted and presented is the finer point of what makes it tickle my fancy. It is neat when some one (usually the savant or the natural) can inately play to the mathematics and create such an effortless rendition. Striving to capture that sound for eternity and to reproduce it in our own settings is a significant challenge that doesn't seem to deter those of us that carry this insidious addiction....

A very enjoyable article - it goes to the heart of the matter. Nick - As I read it, a trained listener is trained on listening for reasonably 'flat' response and doesn't get trained to like/dislike a certain sound. It becomes very hard to not color a trained listener with the preferences of the trainer. That means that what you train the listener to grade can (can is the operative term) be manipulated to get a desired response. As an example - I could train someone to grade Bose speakers and they would grade JBL stuf as pretty darn out of spec. BTW - nothing wrong with the approach. You should train folks for the sound you are working to perfect.