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  1. Up for sale is my well-loved McIntosh MX-110 M series preamp-turner (serial # 170M5). Electrically, the unit is in perfect condition and meets original factor specifications. Audio Classics / Richard Modafferi restored the unit October 2015 (will provide service documentation to purchaser) and it last visited Audio Classics in October 2020 for service and received a clean bill of health. The turner works perfectly and overall tuner-preamp performance is amazing. As many probably know, Mr. Modafferi, he is a former McIntosh engineer and designed the legendary McIntosh MR77 and MR78 turners and is the GUY you want restoring a legendary McIntosh turner-preamp. I am selling because I recently purchased a McIntosh C41 preamp from Audio Classics. I am a father of toddler and I can't maintain both a tube preamp and tube amp (I am also running a McIntosh MC240). The unit is in average cosmetic condition as evidenced by the attached photos and is what you would expect for a piece that is 60+ years old. Rest easy, I have the specially designed double-boxed carton specifically indented for the MX110 that I also purchased from Audio Classics that I will use for shipping or pick-up ($150 value). Also keep in mind; any MX-110 that has not been recently refurbished will need $1000+ dollar restoration to perform up to specification. Full disclosure, the unit has visited Audio Classics the following times: * May 2015 -- full restoration * Sept. 2018 -- turner realignment * Dec. 2019 -- cleaning of controls due to noisy volume pot and switches * Oct. 2020 -- repair of phono jacks and capacitors (I broke a capacitor trying to tighten the phono jacks in order to ground them and remove a hum in the phono section) Shipping is on the buyer (estimated at $50-75, depending on distance/location). I am located in Washington D.C. I am hoping for $1500 -- about the amount I have in repairs and the box. Let me know what questions you have. If local pick-up, I have extra tubes I can toss in.
  2. It's the wrong Washington but I thought I would share (not affiliated) https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/ele/d/klipsch-epic-cf4-series/7284384359.html
  3. I hear really good things about the latest class d chips. I have not heard them, but I think that's probably the future of amplification. It seems the technology is reaching (or has reached maturity). The two chip makers that all everyone seems to be using are Purfi and Hypex (both based in the Netherlands I believe). NAD, McIntosh, among other respected companies are using Hypex chips. If you buy the argument that amplification more or less sounds the same (of course considering distortion % and S/N are beyond audible limit) then class d have some advantages -- the run cooler, take less power, and weigh a lot less.
  4. Fair enough (I struck the derailed portion of my comment)! I also have enjoyed both yours and Shakey's posts. And I also find it fun to engage in the different perspectives/opinions we all bring to the table. The Klipsch forums for me, have been a really great place to engage in online community, learn, and nerd out about audio. I wish the OP luck in their audio pursuits (you really can't go wrong with Cornwalls) and urge them to continue to ask questions.
  5. So sorry to the OP about derailing your thread (I hope you have found the discussion, while not on topic, interesting). Shakey, I agree that you can hear differences between certain components. When I went from a 1990s era Linn dac to low cost Schiit dac, the change was very noticeable. Likewise when I upgrade my turntable from a Rega P5 to a P6. The same was also true with jump from the MX110 to the C41. In all cases, I replaced gear with more modern equipment that is no doubt state of the art and likely engineered beyond the limits of audibility (okay, maybe not for the turntable) for human hearing (at least that's what I believe). For preamp and the dac, the S/N went from 80 for the MX110 to 105db with the C41 and a similar jump with the Linn dac from 90db or so to 110db for the Schiit dac (which I am sure contributed to the sonic differences I perceive). As I run a tube amp, I am aware that tubes are not considered the vanguard of amplification by some and some would say I am missing out by not going solid state, others would say you can't hear a difference, and while others would say tubes have a magic that has been lost with the advancement of technology. I guess at the end of the day, I like to be informed about the differing opinions/perspectives, but I am cautious to let any one opinion stop me from enjoying the music. Or letting my priors prevent me for exploring the different nooks and crannies of this hobby. Another way I have sidestepped this conversation in this hobby is by jumping straight to Klipsch and McIntosh -- where I have a lot of confidence these products are engineered to the highest standards and performance. Because there is so much we don't know about psychoacoustics, I am willing to admit one might be able to hear audible differences -- deviating from the conventional science perspective -- its just really really hard to prove. I am placing a lot of my confidence in the engineering teams at Klipsch and McIntosh to sort all that out. When you look back at all the comments in this thread, it's pretty clear we agree more than we disagree. I think all of us, if money was not a factor, would pick Klipsch Cornwall IVs over Cornwall IIIs (and we would probably also all agree McIntosh gear is really great and hard to beat -- if price is not a concern). Thanks all for the conversation, we will probably never see completely eye to eye on any of these more weedy topics -- and that's what makes this all so much fun.
  6. The first piece of stereo equipment I bought myself was a NAD 7220PE (or something very similar, I can't exactly remember and I am still bummed I gave it to my brother) that I got for $10 at Goodwill. It's very possible it has been all down hill from there (I kid I kid). Particularly, since I have gone the high efficiency speaker route. My MC240, which Audio Classics sells used for $4500 does not sound 450x better and maybe no better. The MC240 has been completely restored, and I have peace of mind no deteriorating capacitor or bad resistor will detract from the sound for years to come. I keep it because it was a gift from my dad, because it looks really cool, that it has a story, and makes a statement in my living room (among other reasons). It also does hurt that it pairs very well with my Forte speakers and helps the Forte's sound fantastic. I plan on selling my MX110 (also restored by Audio Classics) for the same amount of money I spent on it to cover the cost of the addition of the C41 (also the same amount of money). I am not moving to the C41 for sonic reasons. The MX110 sounds great! I am wanting a more modern piece/aesthetic and less maintenance. I did think very hard about a late model Yamaha integrated (something like an a-s1100) and be done with it (yes, selling both the MC240 and MX110, would have been able to pocket a nice chunk of change and get that much close to new Cornwall's). However, choosing appliances to reproduce sound requires balancing and weighing a number of criteria. And for me, those trade-offs tipped towards getting the C41 and keeping the MC240. Most of us are fortunate this is a hobby and we can afford to pursue a variety of aesthetic trade-offs when building our systems. And when we get bored, we can go explore a different direction. One thing that has not been mentioned is deprecation (which is a factor for any luxury good purchase). McIntosh and Klipsch depreciate far less than the average consumer electronics. The fact that I can always get my money out of my McIntosh gear and can sell my Forte's without losing my shirt, is another important piece of the puzzle. I don't think any of us would argue or suggest one should get a low cost AV receiver and be done with it. We are suggesting the reason you would not go that route, is based on differences between the equipment other than an improvement in sound. Audio is my hobby and I can't really speak to other hobbies, but I imagine this plays out in other areas (shoes/clothes, watches, cars to an extent, art, and many many more). For example, a well tailored low cost suit is going to look much much better than a fancy high cost non-tailored suit. And between the low cost tailored suit and the high cost tailored suit, only a select few people could really tell a difference. What matters is how the garment makes the person feel that is putting it on (besides how it looks). Continuing the analogy, are handmade shoes in England worth the 4x price premium over similar quality made in America shoes? Can any normal person really tell the difference? Does a Timex keep time in a similar fashion to a Rolex? A VW gets you to point a to point b just as well as Porsche (holding all else constant). Shakey, I love your passion for Klipsch and the hobby. Your posts on my first thread here, nudged me to get my Klipsch Forte's a few years ago (and I have not regretted the decision since). Your enthusiasm really is a gift.
  7. I have McIntosh for many of the same reasons (my dad gave me a MC240 and MX110 so I also had that going for me). When I became tired of fussing with the MX110 (and I wanted to try something a bit different) I bought a used C41 from Audio Classics, in large part because of the tone controls, loudness, mono, etc. features you can't find on a lot of other gear. The C41 is also one of the last all analog preamps McIntosh made before switching to preamps with digital (dacs etc.) built in. I am an old soul in way that likes engaging in the old ways of music reproduction (if I had a land line, I would have a rotary phone). A big reason I wanted to pair Klipsch speakers with the Mac gear, was because of the legacy/story of Klipsch. I like that Klipsch is made in a small town in Arkansas (I grew up in Kansas and have a kinship for that part of the country). I also like the scientific foundations Klipsch is built upon -- similar to McIntosh. I guess I also like stereo equipment that has heft (in more ways than one). At the end of the day, I view my sound system as toy -- an appliance if you will, to create soundscapes that provide pleasure and entertain. For me, a big part of the pleasure is the history/story and being able to participate in a slice of Americana.
  8. Entering the fray here (maybe foolishly). I think it is prudent to acknowledge the limits of knowing and ability to make definitive casual claims. Making a causal claim (which in my mind is required before saying x is better than y) is exceedingly difficult. Of course, we are entitled to our preferences, but we should be clear the limits of what a preference denotes. The task of saying x is better than y becomes even more difficult when you are on the bleeding age of the state of the art, which for the most part, is where we all live in this hobby/forum. Almost all of academia (both the hard and social sciences) is focused on research design and methodologies that allows the testing/validation of causal claims. I think it is also helpful to remember the study of sound and how it is perceived is called psychoacoustics. The point being, psychology plays such an important role when it comes to human perception. Concepts such as confirmation basis, placebo effect, endowment effect, among others are real and cloud our ability to make casual claims, or in other words, to say a Klipsch Cornwall III does not sound as good as a Klipsch Cornwall IV. To even make that argument, we would have to define and all agree on what does "sound better" even mean. A difficult task indeed. Don't get me wrong, when I can, I plan to upgrade my Forte III speakers to the latest Cornwall and I am sure I will "perceive" a noticeable difference -- but I want to be clear about, I would not be able to make the claim the Cornwall sounds "better" than than the Forte -- only that I prefer it. To say x sounds better than y, again, we would need to define what "better" means and carefully articulate what dimension of "better" we are describing and comparing (I think sometimes what we really mean, x sounds different than y and I prefer that difference). Then we could test those claims by designing and administering an experiment, including conducting a sufficient number of trails that rise to the level of statistical significance (n>30 at least), and then see what the data shows to see if our claims are indeed valid. I am not about that. This is a hobby for me and I listen for pleasure and enjoyment. I do, however, think it is helpful to bring some rationality to the conversation, particularly when making claims of superiority. On the amplifier front, all the above applies. While I will agree you will notice the difference between speakers (room/speaker interaction also plays a huge role which I will not address) one is less likely to notice a difference between amplifiers if they are properly compared using a rigorous and scientific methodology. Why? Almost any modern amplifier (and even a lot of vintage amplifiers) are designed to specifications that beyond the limits of human audibility. Think S/N ratio, distortion %, and other design characteristics. The same holds true for digital audio. As we all know, humans perceive louder as better, and it is important that is accounted for when making comparisons. For example, does a more powerful amplifier allow for greater dynamic range/headroom and the perceived increase in dynamics (louder) is the reason we think amplifier x sounds better than amplifier y? I will note, I have a McIntosh tube amp and solid state preamp. They cost multiples of electronics that are equally technical competent. Why do I have them then? Is it irrational on my part? That would be the case if I truly believed is was purely for sonic reasons and not those of aesthetics, build quality, prestige, and in my case also nostalgia (for the tube amp anyways). All of these reasons also effect my perception of sound, and I probably believe my McIntosh gear does sound better (when in reality, I probably can't tell the difference). The important point though is, they make me happy -- which is beyond the limit of science (at least in my view) and that to me is what really matters. Have I tested this theory? No. Again, not a scientist and I don't enjoy these elements of the hobby (in part because I am not capable of conducting experiments with the necessary rigor to derive beneficial knowledge/wisdom) -- I am in it to enjoy the music. But, I am fully aware of the power of my mind and its ability to influence my perception limiting my ability to make causal claims and/or definitive judgements of superiority (and folks have won noble prizes proving this is in fact the case). To the OP, I doubt you can go wrong either way. At the end of the day, both speakers are likely better than 99% of all other speakers out there. I would spring for the Cornwall IV, but I am sure the Cornwall III is also great. We all have tradeoffs to negotiate and only you can decide what value judgements you will make to help you navigate those tradeoffs. I would also agree, listening is still valuable -- the more high quality information (read first hand) you can gather when weighing a decision is always helpful! Anyways, let's all keep having fun, enjoy the tunes, and when the fancy strikes us -- piss off the neighbors.
  9. I have a Schiit Modi 3+ and I power it with usb into wall wart. I am using it with my Sonos Connect, which is limited to redbook or S/N of 96db. The Modi 3+ has S/N of 110db. I wanted to max out the performance of my Sonos. I am replacing a Linn Numerik dac from the early 1990s that I bought in 2007 before streaming was a big thing. I can tell you it was $100 well spent. If I had to do it again, I would probably have sprung for the Modius so I could connect it to my McIntosh C41 with balanced connects (for fun). When I bought the Modi 3+ I was still running my McIntosh MX110. Have fun!
  10. It sounds like @McBlueMeter does not like Fortes. That's fine, we all have our preferences. It could be one does not like the passive radiator or other design choices/tradeoffs of this particular speaker. You know, it could also be a cognitive basis. Unless you are doing a double blind and level matched test with a significant number of trails -- who the hell knows ones speaker preference. The mind is such a tricky devil. I bet the Forte IV's sound real nice. I have a pair of the Forte III's and with classic McIntosh tube magic -- they sound ok to me. The definitive answer on high fidelity? I don't know. Probably not. Fun? Yes! Some may say they don't measure perfectly, but to me, I really like the dynamics and liveness they present. I can concur (in accordance with @Paducah Home Theater, the Forte III's become extremely music dependent at high volumes, >85DB for me. I find the Forte III's really excel at generally normal listening levels. And with the right recording, sound amazing at all DB levels (up to your neighbors tolerance or your pain threshold -- whichever comes first). They are transparent and shine and excel up to the limit of a piece of music's recording/mastering quality. I tend to think their strengths are with simpler music that shows off how they can get the tone/voice right of a single/few instrument(s) (say less than 4). Acoustic guitar/vocal, small jazz combo, female vocal, all sound amazing. With that said, I listen to a lot of rock, classic rock and indie rock and they handle these genres with aplomb. Another plus with the Forte III's, and I wonder if it is a typical Klipsch trait, is the excitement they can bring to music at moderate to low volumes -- a big plus for my wife. Before I bought my Forte III's I took my dad to the World of McIntosh row home in SoHo (read NYC). There, I heard all the top line McIntosh and Sonos Faber offerings (including the mcintosh xrt2.1k's -- $130,000+). To me, my Forte's in my setup, bring a satisfactory experience. I am glad I can conceptualize and integrate into my sense of being the essence of diminishing marginal returns/utility. My Forte's replaced a pair of Rega R5's. I also listened to the latest version of the Rega's, the RX5s, and I preferred the Forte's. My dad rocks Magneplanar 3.7's and felt the Forte's (while completely different) sounded favorably. Having heard both, I am happy with my choice (obviously, with my gear). I will say, I dream of the Cornwall IV's and when space permits -- I am all in.
  11. Fun anecdote/story. When I lived in Brooklyn/Prospect Heights I would see John from time to time out and about. He has a sweet Cadillac CTS-V wagon that he parked on the street in the neighborhood. I was tempted to leave a note on his car to see if I could get an invite to his factory in the Navy Yard. I found myself with Forte III's -- inspired by the Devore O93/96 design approach. I was wanting to find a nice speaker to pair with my McIntosh MC240/MX110. But I was not prepared to spend $8400+ on speakers (yet) -- hence my foray in to Klispch (I could not be happier).
  12. Agree with the need for some clarification. If we are talking Heritage speakers, I can share my MC240 (bench tested by Audio Classics at 55w at 1% distortion) sound really nice with my Klipsch Forte III's. It can rattle the windows.
  13. Adding a couple pictures of my MX110 and MC240 (both restored by Audio Classics). Sounds nice paired with my Forte III's (not pictured).
  14. I have Forte IIIs and run them with a Audio Classics restored MX110 and MC240. Sounds fantastic! If I was starting over, I would consider the MAC7200 (I love tuners!) as mentioned above. I would also consider the MA252 for simplicity and lower cost. If price where no object, I would go with a new MC275 and McIntosh tube pre-amp. I also second checking out Audio Classics. They are really great and have a lot of used McIntosh gear I would be comfortable buying. Their service team is top notch.
  15. I have a pair of Forte III's in a 12x20 room with an MC240 (bench tested at 55 watts a channel) and MX110. At half volume, I am at 90-95+ decibels. If I play with tone controls/loudness toggle, I am rattling the windows and converting my entire NYC apartment to a giant sub-woofer where you can feel the vibrations throughout the entire 1000 sq ft space. The MC275 will be more than enough power. I love the tube sound with the Forte's and suspect you will also be very happy. Klipsch and McIntosh make a very lovely pairing.
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