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    Main System - 3/1.2 CH Config :
    70th Anniversary KHorns - FL/FR
    70th Anniversary Heresys - FC/SC
    2x REL T9i Subwoofers - L/R
    McIntosh MA5200 Integrated
    2x Crown XLS1002 Power Amps
    Carver H9-AV - Hafler Matrix
    Bryston BDA-3 DAC
    Bryston BDP-3 Network Player
    Bryston BIT-15 Power Conditioner
    Pioneer UDP-LX500 Uni Disc Plyr
    Furman P-1800 A/C Regulator
    APC XS-1500 UPS
    QNAP TS-877 NAS
    JRiver MC Music Server PC
    Wireworld, Audioquest, Supra and Misc. Cables

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  1. For the R26's I think you'd be VERY happy with the REL T7i or even a T5i. If you can swing it of course. I used to use SVS subs back when I had a full blown B&W HT setup 5-6 years ago. Had a PC-12 NSD. But now that I've tried REL in the last year + I wouldn't want anything else. IMHO they are built better, more solid, higher quality and have the best Wireless (Arrow System) and High Level input method in Subwoofers. That high level input being fed by your amps binding posts will sound much better than the low level on the SB2000. There will be more detail, more bass nuance and just a tighter and cleaner bass tonality over the SVS... afterall its getting the same full bandwidth signal as your mains are. The T series does HT really well too, probably better than low grade ported subs. But the REL T series are more music oriented subs. My main system is a hybrid HiFi Stereo/4CH HT w/ Stereo REL T9is. The T9i's are just incredible. And they only need half volume. I can highly recommend the T7i on a personal level as I own one in my secondary system in my basement. Of course price isn't cheap, and it will be more expensive for you being in Europe. You'd probably be very happy with the T5i also.
  2. Yuper congrats on the 70s! Welcome to the club lol. Yeah even though it is super efficient and could work on 2-4W if you listen to low to medium levels. For anything higher or very dynamic it would definitely bottleneck the KHorn and prevent it from doing its thing. I personally wouldn't feed the 70s anything less than 40-50W. I actually think 80W-200W is probably ideal to have plenty of headroom for dynamics and feeding that big 15" woofer. I'm not surprised you greatly preferred it at 200W. I also think the bass is better, deeper and tighter with solid state as well. My 70s are about a year old now as far as usage since opening the boxes and use them about 2-4 hours everyday, whether it be watching TV, watching a movie or listening to music. They were great when I first got them, but now over a year later they have really settled in and are pretty much fully broken in, the sound they can put out is just so good. Sometimes I think to myself how could everyone NOT love the Klipsch heritage line. When I listen to other high end big box cone speakers, panels or estats they just don't do it for me like these horns do. If your room setup can handle it, depending on the size, setup etc. I highly recommend a matching 70th Heresy or La Scala as a center channel! As well as 1 or 2 subs in corners around the room, (I use REL T9is) via high level crossed over just at ever so slightly above where the KHorns 15" drops off. I use 39hz. End result is the bass sounds likes it coming from the KHorns down to 28-30hz, and for hard hitting movies you get all the nice effects. The dealer I bought my 70th KHorns from is offering a pair of 70th La Scalas for a killer price eBay right now. I wasn't able to make a La Scala center work in my room but I was damn lucky to recently get a pair of unopened 70th Heresy's from a guy in Europe to complete my system. Took me a few months of hunting to find a pair. It was great in 2ch. But with a center channel in between like PWK had in mind, it takes it to a whole different level. I originally used a Marantz MA500 monoblock as my center ch amp, but I recently got a Crown XLS1002, the lowest powered one they have. Run the center Heresy from the XLS biamped, with a pair of pro grade LiveWire Elite 12gauge Speakon to Banana cables. I set the Low Pass to the same spec as the passive crossover the Hersey III uses, 850hz as that didn't need changing. And the volume knob at about 60% on the Crown. Blends in beautifully with the MA5200 100W powered L/R KHorns. You can't really tell the center is on until you turn it off. Then you notice it right away and want to put it back on right away. Just makes the center image much more stable and slightly enlarges the sweetspot. Helps a ton with making central stage on screen sounds seem like its coming from TV screen like at the movie theater. In music it really completes the triangle of bass down to 50hz or so. The fact the Heresy goes up to 20khz helps out to extend the 17khz of the KHorns tweeter by just a little bit. I'm using a Carver H9 with all the buttons off, so in full passive mode as the center ch source. It has a mono Center Channel and Mono Rear channel output. I put the other Heresy in the center rear about 6-7ft behind where I listen fed by the L-R Surround output of the Carver. I only turn that on for Movies or ambient music. Does a great job with 5.1 and old school 4ch Dolby Surround movies, it's very subtle but you notice it's there particularly on fly by type effects or ambient out of phase background effects. Curious what 200W amp did you settle on for your 70s?
  3. Personally I don't care how long the length of the basshorn is.... 70", 80", 90", 100"... whatever. All I know is that the sealed cabinet sounds AWESOME. So whatever Klipsch did, they got it right. I think they did a great job retaining everything what makes the KHorn a KHorn all while making very tasteful and relevant improvements to the design to keep it competitive as a flagship speaker in a tough market. I'm just grateful to be fortunate enough to be able to own them.
  4. The KHorn now has the rear panel sealed since the 70th editions. That is likely where the extra length of the horn is coming from. They can call it whatever they want! All I know is that it sounds great! I just wish Klipsch would give 70th owners like myself a chance to upgrade to the new tweeter.
  5. Man I really hope you are wrong! That would a real shame of they close up the Heritage production line because the price increases back fired on them. I'd imagine it wasn't an easy decision for them and that they looked at the issue from all angles. Personally I'd have left them where they were to extract more buyers and in the last 2-3 years or so there seems to have been more people getting into heritage line speakers. There also seems to be a renewed interest into horns among some people so who knows. These speakers are Klipsch's bread and butter product line to compete with the best the other guys have to offer. In light of all the trends over the last 50 years or so, Klipsch (Heritage line now) is still here and many of those guys aren't. Horns are timeless and just work, no gimmicks, no BS, just pure great sound. In Klipsch's defense up to this point their prices increases going back 75 years have all been more or less 1:1 gradual, linear and natural progressions due to inflation, economic growth, cost of materials and labor etc. etc. Besides when was the last time the heritage line prices saw an increase across the board? Maybe it's been awhile and if that is the case than maybe this will be the only one for another decade or so.
  6. @dtel and @babadono Thanks for the info you guys have been very helpful. 🍺 Yes I have mine slightly toed in, not overly done, but just what is required for my room and space. Works very well, and I appreciate it, they're wonderful.
  7. Yeah it's from Paul's hope from Dope publication. You can read about it in Paul's articles as far as I know from Hope From Dope, Vol. 14, No. 4 and Vol. 11, No. 3. http://assets.klipsch.com/files/Dope_710706_v11n3.pdf?_ga=2.56622891.1854978649.1555461807-866399504.1555461807 http://assets.klipsch.com/files/Dope_740700_v14n4.pdf?_ga=2.251123718.1854978649.1555461807-866399504.1555461807 I agree with PWK's assessments on 3 front channels being ideal 100%. I used the RCA "Alum Mini Box" schematic. See attached pic as well. Before I got the box I used a temporary 2 box solution that gave me excellent results. Consisting of some RCA Y adapters and a interconnect short loop back into my power amp, the copied parallel stereo signal into a Monacor SMC-1 high quality passive Stereo to Mono Summing box, output into a JDS Labs Passive Vol Control and then into the mono center ch amp. I happened to have both devices in my large bin of misc. stuff I had accumulated over the years and It worked really well also. I think both of those devices are still available but the PWK box is better as I no longer have to use any y splitters or parralel signal stuff to get a derived center channel signal.
  8. That's awesome, seems like the next logical step up after graduating from the KHorn. Congrats on the Jubilee's! I do have the 70s with the closed backs, I know it's not that big of a deal from the older ones, but I have heard the open one and the factory closed backs have slightly tighter, deeper and punchier bass which I like. I did add a REL sub crossed over at 37-38hz right where the KHorn starts dropping off and the bass sounds like its coming from the speakers all the way down... so I'm happy with it. That is a really nice thing not having to put the speaker in the vicinity of a corner. Ironically on my main setup, it's the perfect place for the speakers as they are out of the way tucked in nice and neatly. So I got lucky, but when I bought my current home I made sure the main entertainment room had 2 good corners next to where I wanted to put the TV Console. So how do you guys go about ordering these. As they aren't advertised on the main Klipsch site. Do they have a special pro site or something with specs, and wood finish options etc? What are you using to power them and what kind of x-overs are you using? Thanks!
  9. Yeah I have no interest endlessly playing with the crossovers to dial in the setting I'm after, and I don't like EQing anything. The version that comes with the electronic crossover all configured for you with the fullest range frequency response top to bottom and hook it up and set it and forget it. That would be up my alley. But I guess I should have been more specific, as I have the 70th KHorns with the closed backs so they sound a little better than the older stock KHorns. And the newer AK6's apparently even a little better than mine now that they have the new tweeter. Being that I went all in on my 3CH setup now with a matching 70th Heresy and a REL sub I'm really happy with my system at the moment. Best system I've ever had by a long shot. Klipsch, horn speakers are incredible. I can't believe more people aren't into these. But if I had to do it all over it's possible I'd have gone for something like the first picture instead, those look amazing to me. Looks like the Klipsch Avantgarde lol. And I've seen posts where some people are getting 14hz to 20kHz, that's insane performance. But I just love how my 70s look and sound, plus the KHorn fits my space perfectly, the Jubilee's would work better in my secondary setup. Maybe for my basement I'll pick em up to replace my Tannoy's 8F floor standers I got down there last year in a year or 2. Those sound really nice too, as much as I like them I almost never go down there even with the bigger TV since I'm just so into the sound of horns right now. The Jubilee is like the ultimate Home Theater/Music hybrid speaker. Horns and movies are just perfect. Frankly I enjoy my KHorns in movies more than some of the full blown B&W 5.1 setups I had in the past at my old place. Where I could never make a corner horn setup work. If I'm ever in the market to purchase Jubilee's for my basement I'll definitely reach out to you guys for some advice and help. As in all the years I've been into audio I've never owned a speaker with external x-overs/custom dsp or half passive half active with separate amps for the LF and HF etc. Sounds daunting but as you pointed out it isn't too bad unless you want something very custom. Thanks for the info.
  10. Those Jubilee's are sweet, the one the OP posted, really nice. I really like how they look and I bet they sound amazing but I'd personally never buy em since I'm not interested in dealing with external electronic crossovers and stuff like that. Did they ever make an all passive Jubilee or is that not possible since these are 2 way? How do they sound compared to KHorns and what kind of frequency response do you get out of them shipped from Klipsch?
  11. No problem. I still don't have access to it. What's the post threshold here to be considered a full on member?
  12. I had the same box made by my friend, it's absolutely amazing! Glad I'm not the only one who feels the same way about 3 channel! Especially since my system doubles as my TV's speakers for television and movies it makes a huge difference with dialogue but also in music it really anchored the bass and the overall sound, especially on older poorly mixed stereo recordings that have exaggerated stereo mix. The derived center is powered by a Marantz MA500 Monoblock I picked up on eBay that was in mint condition for super cheap about a month or so ago, it sounds so good and blends seamlessly with my Mac Integrated taking care of the KHorns. So the Lexicon had an analog 2CH stereo matrix mode to output a center ch and sub? I always thought the Lexicons just were simply SPDIF Surround decoders to discrete analog. That's cool. I have my REL Sub tapped off the Binding Posts of my MA5200 for the high level input via the wireless adapter, gives amazing bass that way. I really like how I'm able to keep the signal in analog and have a great 3.1 experience. Although I'm sure a very high end DSP/Decoder unit like the Lexicon will likely give even better results!
  13. Good luck... I hope it works out for you! Do you plan on doing any kind of restoration to them like refinishing the wood, upgrading the x-overs, wiring and or the horns and woofer etc. if you get them? I've never heard the La Scala but by all accounts it's basically a "baby" Klipschorn with just a little bit less low end extension. Other than the KHorn probably one of if not the best dual purpose Movies/Music speaker you can buy to this day.
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