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You should have told him to get the Bose cubes. Tell him that they are awesome, but only buy new from an authorized Bose dealer and only go with higer end models, don't forget the bose receiver (if they make one) Let him spend all the $$ for some crap!! This guy is not as good as his word, ie. he is slime. He deserves to get screwed out of the gain that he makes from this deal, and then some. Chris

Can you change your feedback to negative? What an A$$hole!! Chris

HDBR, I am running the Heresys on the main front 2 speaker outputs. I put the receiver in the "pure direct" mode (bypasses everything). This is the same way that I was running the K-horns (which are now hooked up to an older Denon receiver) When I get home tonight, I am going to switch the heresys with an older set that I have and see if the problem goes away. If so, it is the speakers, if not it is the amp. (I will try different cables too.) The K-horns sound great on this amp, so it is probably something in the speakers. I will have my tube amp and teh Harman 630 in a few days. When they arrive I will do some switching with them too to try to trace the problem down. I really hope that it is something minor withthe speakers because I would like to run all klipsch Heritage for the system. Chris

HDBR, It is getting late but I just had to make this post. it definately is not the Denon amp. I was just listening to Steely Dan's Aja and had the heresys on first (On the "Better" Denon - I switched the K-horns to the older Denon and the Heresys to the better one because I thought that the Denon was the culprit) I put the heresys on top of the older ones to get them at ear level. They sounded decent. If I had to describe them, I would say that I was listening to speakers. If I didn't know and someone told me that I was listening to horns, I would say "OK, I can see that." They sound like a lower end sound system than what they should be, good but just not right. a little to much of a touch of "am radio" (just a touch, but noticeable) I had the subwoofers on that are adjusted well, so the bass fit in nicely, but something was just off, although the imaging was really good. Then I put the K-horns on, with the older Denon receiver.... Beautiful music appeared. mellow, smooth, warm, just nice to listen to. No subs (not that they were a problem). when I sat down in the "sweet spot" everything just blended into a smooth mix. The imaging is fantastic (the imaging with the heresys is also great). Now I was listening to music, not horns. The speakers dissappear. Here is the best way that I can describe it, when the K-horns are on, I have to keep playing "just one more song." I will sit to listen to a CD, and before I know it, an hour or two has passed because I keep listening to just one more. The sound is so nice, whatever amp that I am using, that I cannot stop listening. My Heresy's serial number is 8425740, walnut tested by Mike Brantly. (I just checked one) My other pair of heresys (I have not hooked them up yet) serial number 91T988 Inspected by Janet Lathan, Tested by Bradford. (again I just wrote one down) What series do I have? Are these the ones that need the swaker dampened? If so, is it really worth it? I can buy less efficient speakers that sound good, the amp has plenty of power. I really like my old JBL L-60's. Chris

Ignore the "paper" specs, they really don't mean that much. Would you buy a speaker that has a 1" Tweeter, 2" mid, 15" woofer and can only handle 100 watts? What if I told you that you needed a special shaped room to put them in. A really good example of this is Rockford Fosgate amps (car stuff). A 20 watt rockford has way more power than most "100 watt" amps. I have no experience with the JBL's that you are injterested in, but I know that soem of the older JBL stuff was really nice. Their studio monitors from the 70's and 80's (the ones with the white woofers) were really nice. So are the L-series that were based on the old studio monitors. The key is to go to a store and listen to the speaker first hand. Polk Audio, Infinity, Boston accoustics and yes, Klipsch all make speakers in your price range that are probably worthy of your time to listen to. (I don't know any specific models, its been a while) Bring a CD that you are familiar with and make the salesperson play your CD. Another option is looking at used speakers in teh newspaper. eBay is OK, but there is a lot of competition that tends to drive the price up (but deals can be had) About 2 months ago I saw a pair of Klipsch KG5.5's, a center, powered sub, and 2 surrounds (all Klipsch) all offered for $600, and the guy probably would have taken less!! I also saw a pair of JBL L-100's (really nice monitors, I mean really really nice) offered at $300. Happy hunting, Chris PS, a lot of people around here can help you find some nice used equipment.

Thanks for the reply, I need to qualify the statement. The heresys don't really sound that harsh (or like "crap"), just "off" a little. Maybe a little bright or a little nasal. I brought one with me whe I listened to some KLF's and the Heresys sounded much better. If I didn't have any other reference, I would probably be happy with the Heresys, but compared to the K-horns or the JBL's they just don't sound right. I did have an opportunity to hear the Heresys (my actual speaker) hooked up to a tube amp and it was really nice. Played female vocals and accoustic guitar. just sounded so sweet, BUT I want to use these for surround on a SS amp. I have a tube amp on the way, but it is for the K-horns. The only reason that I bought all of the heresys was that I wanted a matched theater system that sounded fantastic. (The K-horns will be switched between amps, depending on what system I am using at the time). I have to say that I am a little dissapointed because the JBL's and the K-horns always sound good. they just vary from really good to fantastic. The heresys seem several paces behind. Chris

I just checked out constantines. I definately do not have zebrawood speakers. I need to get a digital camera and post a picture, maybe HDBR can help me figure out what they are. Thanks for the info. Chris

HDBR, I was going to hook the Harman up to a set of JBL's in another room. I may use one of the sets of heresys in there, but I really wanted all klipsch for the HT. Maybe some less efficient speakers are the way to go with the denon, I really don't know. The interesting thing is that the K-horns sound good with the denon (and so do the jbl's). The heresys are the only ones that don't sound good with the SS. By the way, I switched the phasing on my horns just to make sure that they were in phase and I knew immediately! The imaging just dissappeared. I didn't listen long enough to see what happened to the dynamic range, but I am sure that it was probably gone too. That was some really good advice, give it a try. (that's why I refer to these guys as the experts) Chris

If you want to leave the cornwalls here in vegas, I can probably find somewhere to store the them!! Just drop 'em off and forget about them for a while. Really, you can take your time picking them up. I know that I am going out on a limb here, but hey, I'm a generous guy!! Chris

I realize that I am putting my 2 cents in where some real experts have already spoken but... Try a different source to eliminate the speakers as the culprits. My CD through a Denon receiver sounds great on the K-horns, and most records sound great, but there are some recordings on vinyl that sound very flat on these speakers. even when expanded via a DBX 3BX. Some older CD's that are not remastered sound bad too (60 and 70's music that I purchased on CD in the 80's before remastering was really in) On SS (at least in my limited experience) the K-horns sound really dynamic, maybe a little too much at times. A question if I may to the experts: I have a couple of Denon Receivers. The newer one definately sounds better. My problem is that I did some switching the other day and found that my Heresys don't really sound that good (A little "swaky") on the SS Denon (either model). I would really like to keep the Denon for home theater with the heresys but I don't know what to do. I know that the Heresys are really good speakers because I heard them on some tube equipment and they were wonderful. But I want to use them with the SS stuff. I am mating my K-horns with a tube for 2 channel, so I really don't need the heresys for that. I have been reading the thread on cables. I am using Kimber 4PR, but I really don't want to get into the whole cable thing yet. Any advice? Chris

Where can I get "tigerwood" or "zebrawood" veneer. I have a set of HDBR's that are a bit rough. Chris

There is a decent looking pair of "Hersey HOL" speakers on ebay right now with a BIN of $350 + $45 to ship. The Item # 1948227628. Link is: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14993&item=1948227628&rd=1 They seem decent, maybe a little scratched. A forum member (deang) has a really nice set for $450, just look in the 2-channel forum. Chris

He takes paypal, money order etc. Forget it, I am driving there now to pay cash. I GOTTA HAVE THESE THINGS!!!! Better than Klipsch and Sony and even Bose. I someone believes that a new $100 set of speakers is that good, let them have them. If someone convinces theirself that they are great, ignorance is bliss. I would be thrilled to pay $100 for a set of speakers that I though was that good. Chris PS - look at the entertainment factor that we can get from this.

He takes paypal, money order etc. Forget it, I am driving there now to pay cash. I GOTTA HAVE THESE THINGS!!!! Better than Klipsch and Sony and even Bose. I someone believes that a new $100 set of speakers is that good, let them have them. If someone convinces theirself that they are great, ignorance is bliss. I would be thrilled to pay $100 for a set of speakers that I though was that good. Chris PS - look at the entertainment factor that we can get from this.

HELP! I have a Denon 5800 receiver that I want to use for home theater. I have 2 K-horns and 4 heresys that will be used for 6.1. The k-horns sound great with this receiver, but the heresys are too "horney" or bright. Before you guys tell me about placement, my JBL L-60's sound fantastic next to the heresys anywhere I put them. The thing that really surprised me was that when I did an a/b between the JBL's and the hereys, the JBL's blended in with the K-horns more smoothly (although I have to turn the JBL's volume up). Maybe it is the JBL's bass response (2 way with 6" driver, put it is ported and a long throw driver). Before you guys trash the JBL's, these ones are part of the L-series from the late 80's. I remember JBL nose diving in the 90's. I want to use the heresys for my surround. what do I do? Do I need to replace the receiver? (I have a friend dying to buy it from me) I would rather not replace the receiver, but if I have to, what can you reccomend? My other option is to replace the heresys. They sounded great when hooked up to a tube amp, but just seem to be lacking with the denon. (Before you give me the "lousy equipment upstream" explanation, remember that the K-horns sound great with this receiver. I would guess that the K-horns are more revealing than the heresys.) Please let me know if anyone else has this problem, Chris

I almost agree. The guy was a stand up guy in giving the refund, but did he have the item insured payable to himself? Maybe something to the nature of "packaging problem, but seller gave complete refund, very honest!" He does deserve a positive in that he did refund the money. I really respect that. The only problem is that when a seller has a lot of feedback, I only read the negative stuff. Just my 2 cents worth, Chris

OK, are you serious? Where are the cornwalls for sale? Chris

How would the quartets match heresys for a HT setup. I find the heresys a decent match for with other heritage, but alone they leave something to be desired. It is the lack of bass. Do the quartets sound good on their own, or do they need a subwoofer? How are the quartets bass compared to the cornwall? Chris

Silverfox, What do you think of the quartets? How to they compare to the cornwalls? Chris

HDBR, I was hoping that you would jump on board!! Could you tell me about the Chorous, Forte and Quatret? I am interested in something for the Harman Kardan 630 (in case the JBL's don't sound as good as I would like) In the alternative, are any of these a good match for the heresys in my surround system? Thanks, Chris

I just bought an amp (L-48) rebuilt by craig, it will arrive on Jan 3rd (can't stand that wait!) Anyway, I'm sure that Craig will be answering your question, so I wanted to butt in and list what he put in mine to see what he thinks of these (this is my first tube amp) here is a quote from an email: "The custom made can caps alone were $100.00 (needed to be custom made to fit in the Scott cabinet) Russian paper drop caps, matched quad set of 7189s as well as two telefunken tubes so no expense was spared." I imagine that these parts are per Craig's reccomendation, but would like to hear what he thinks about them (sound quality wise) Chris

A pair of mint Lascalas went for $1000 locally about a month ago. At $1200 each, that's more than what K-horns are worth. But I agree, I'm sure that the first $1200 will definiately get the speaker!! Chris

I know that they are not from the heritage line. Does anyone have any experience with the Chorous, Forte, or Quartet speakers? I think that they are all use passive radiators instead of sealed boxes and were made in the 90's. Can anyone tell me what these sound like, and how they compare to say the heresys or cornwalls? Do they use veneered particle board or plywood? Thanks, Chris

Just a little warning, BOSE is a very dirty word around here! Personally, I like the sound of the 901's (they sound really good for $1300 new or about $400 used a pair, as long as you don't mind re-foaming) but just wish that they would fire all 9 speakers forward instead of killing the imaging with their "direct reflecting" witchcraft. When I was a kid and grew up around my stepfather's 601's I never knew what imaging was until I bough a set of JBL's. Anyway, off of the BOSE stuff. Your receiver should have a set of speaker outputs for another "zone" you can hook the Klipsch up to these. As far as if the amp can handle it if both speakers are on at the same time, check to see if the amp can handle a 4 ohm load. if all of your speakers are 8 ohms, you should be safe (still don't blast it). If you don't have a second zone, you could add a switching box, but it might be cheaper to buy a second used receiver. Chris

I remember when a 20 band per channel Soundcraftmen EQ was it. Then Radio Shack and other lower end brands had their versions, and finally EQ's with pink noise generators came out. But yes, they have went away! The best way that I can explain it it that you run your Heresys flat right? No need to put A1 Steak sauce on a Prime Rib. Good equipment means no need to change tone controls unless the room is terrible. I'm sure that not all agree, but this is just my view. Chris