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I wasn't. Not then! Ooops, did not see that little fact. A mistake I am willing to live with. I did respond with useful information within the confines of the thread...no matter how old and rotted the thread actually is, and I am chuckling at my own stupidity. You, however, responded with sarcasm and malice and I'm sorry if this wadded your panties. Malice? ROFLMAO!!! Do you even know what the word means? So now the story of the guy that had the unmitigated audacity to point out the fact that the Emperor was not wearing any clothes is a tale of malice! Heck, my first response was: Hey! ALK is back! I simply read the information and noticed the FACTUAL incongruence. And yes, I did note the irony in the situation! And I got a kick out of it! Hence my comment. And what I said was/is literally true. Oh the humanity![:'(] Here's some more irony for you: It's OK for you to "chuckle at your own stupidity", but we aren't allowed. Newsflash: Humor consists of laughing at someone else's 'misfortune'! And to think, you didn't even have an anvil from the ACME ANVIL CO fall on you like the Coyote! Too bad... Unfortunately YOU are the one with your panties in a wad at having the incongruent fact noted! I'm sorry if you are embarrassed to be found standing there in your skivvies, but I only acknowledged the lunacy. You, on the other hand, evidently feel responsible for it... Well, far be it from me to prohibit you from enjoying your 15 minutes of fame... But thanks for now providing us with something more substantial at which to laugh. And while "malice" was never an original consideration, disdain is now. Let us know how WW2 turns out. And put some clothes on. [] [8-)] "Just who is that guy and where do they find 'em?", he said, feigning concern... So Lascaladan didn't leave after all! ...a shame. ROFLMAO! WOW!!! Ok, so maybe malice was too strong a word but your post does have an unnecessary smarty pants tone to it and that was my point. I hope you feel better after getting ALL THAT off your chest. I had no idea it would become such a hot button in your life. If I had known you were to become such an,...um...I better not insert a word for fear of a verbal reprisal and a forum type written beating. I would have said nothing and simply walked away wondering what kind of guy would spend his time making such a reply in the first place. But thanks to your rant now we all know anyway. Hopefully your day will get better. Hopefully you can find it within yourself to forgive me. "UNCLE", I concede, you win.

Ooops, did not see that little fact. A mistake I am willing to live with. I did respond with useful information within the confines of the thread...no matter how old and rotted the thread actually is, and I am chuckling at my own stupidity. You, however, responded with sarcasm and malice and I'm sorry if this wadded your panties.

I have an MR75 and think it is a great unit. It pulls in weak stations, does not "creep" when tuned, and looks good with the rest of my McIntosh gear.

Craig, like I said to you on Sunday, I appreciate the effort you gave in putting the gathering together. The first step in any successful get together is to name a place and time and you did that well. The hotel was nice, clean, and very quiet. I did not see anyone outside our group except for a few employees. The room was a bit bright, and the tables were not the most stable thing but this was the height of out problems so we had a very good situation indeed. I wish you had brought some sort of pre for your nice Pereaux amp. That thing had some legs and I would have liked to try them...time just got away from me and then we were done and I am sorry we did not simply set up, at least once, using just your amp and my pre and nothing else. I found you to be an enjoyable guy who is willing to play and listen and one who is not driven by brand/label/image snobbery, just good sound and fun music...and no we do not think you are a geek. At least that is the story we are sticking to when face to face. You got my set up pretty much right on. I brought a McIntosh C32 pre, MC2125 amp, Music Hall MMF-7 turn table, Pioneer Elite DV-47 universal player, a pair of Heresy II's, a pair of KLF-20's, and way way way too much stuff to listen to. I think I had 20 LP's and maybe 40-50 CD's, and Kyhl had an equal amount as well. Yes, you can rest easy knowing your "meager" KG-4's did a nice job playing what we threw at them. We should have let em rip when we played "Kiss Off" by the Violent Femmes at around 95db instead of the KLF-20's. Don't worry folks, that was our one venture into the "loud" arena. Everything else was played at regular listening levels. We did take, in my opinion anyway, much too long fooling around with the speaker placement and gear set up...and I was the biggest culprit of used time, sorry about that. Finding the sweet spot in that room was very difficult. Next time we will set up and get to listening sooner. I have been thinking about the buzz in my amp and have a few guesses. The room directly behind our gear set up is a utility room and there were a few things running that never shut off. The outlet on that wall (there were very few outlets) may have been on the same circuit and thus there was the hum. Also, all the lights were on a variable rheostat and the variable, along with compact flourscent lights can often make high RF noist. The hum was at very high gain levels so I was probably being overly critical. Eventhough the snow made things more difficult I am happy that I attended. I am happy to have met you Craig and I would certainly do this again if I am able. Some things I learned for next time. Bring longer interconnects, bring an extension cord, bring an extra pre amp if one is available, bring a sub, come earlier so there is more time to listen, set up and then get to listening rather than play set up and tweak for ever. I also learned how well my sedan pulls a trailer in crappy weather. Getting out of my neighborhood was not certain for a while but luckily I am good at driving sideways. Again, it was a good time and I am glad I made the trip. Thanks again. There is one thing I also learned and it has more to do with my daughter than the gathering. Moving all this gear allowed me to clean in places otherwise left alone. While moving both my KSW-200's I heard a clunking noise inside. At first I thought I broke something but that only lasted about two seconds. I then immediatly though, what did my daughter put in the enclosure port. So, I flipped the subs and removed the drivers to see what was rolling around in them. One sub had two of my hand exercisers (the spring things you squeeze) in it and the other sub had a long lost sippy cup...complete with now rotted and science experiment looking goo/liquid inside. I thought, for a brief second, that I should clean the cup with something strong but then came back to reality and decided to simply toss the whole thing...completely unopened. The thought of opening this to clean it came with the thought of what the stuff inside must smell like and I chose to let imagination rule rather than proof.

I will be there and I will be bringing some gear. SS amp, SS pre amp, TT, and a few different speakers.

I do want to come but at this exact moment I am not certain. I wish there was a way to phone you for more details as I am not at the computer very often. I will try to rearrange some things and get in touch with another Klipsch local (strabo) and we may be able to make it...with gear in hand no less. If I am able to make it I would like to start around 8:00am, only because I have a commitment later in the day and have to leave around 1:45pm. Thanks for the effort, no matter how this turns out. If the turnout is too low for Sunday the 25th, I suggets chosing a weekend in April so we can have enough time to make the date stick.

Picking THE all time greatest is basically impossible given all the different styles and tastes but there are a few who stand out in the crowded hall of great guitar players. Sticking to the rules of this game I choose...Chet Atkins. The only thing Chet ever lacked was marketable stage/live style. He was not flashy, ultra good looking, or controversial, he simply played his guitar excellently. Chet played everything well, so well that you often never knew he was the person playing because he was doing a session, backround, or rythem for someone else and needed to make "thier" sound instead of his. His list of accomplishments boggles the mind and he has been marketable for five decades so far. Look at this one simple list that covers such a wide array of styles and tastes, all played by Chet. The list is of albums fronted by Chet, there is an equally large list of songs he played on as part of the band that covers many different styles. 1952 - Chet Atkins' Gallopin' Guitar (10") (RCA Victor) 1953 - Stringin Along (10") (RCA Victor) 1953 - String Dustin' (RCA Victor) 1954 - A Session with Chet Atkins (RCA Victor) 1955 - Stringin' Along with Chet Atkins (RCA Victor) 1955 - Chet Atkins in Three Dimensions (RCA Victor) 1955 - The Amazing Chet Atkins (w/Anita Kerr Singers) (Sesac) 1956 - Finger Style Guitar (RCA Victor) 1957 - Hi Fi in Focus (RCA Victor) 1958 - Chet Atkins at Home (RCA Victor) 1959 - Mister Guitar (RCA Victor) 1959 - Hum & Strum Along with Chet Atkins (RCA Victor) 1959 - Chet Atkins in Hollywood (RCA Victor) 1960 - The Other Chet Atkins (RCA) 1961 - Teensville (RCA) 1960 - After the Riot at Newport (RCA) 1961 - Chet Atkins' Workshop (RCA Victor) 1961 - The Most Popular Guitar (RCA Victor) 1961 - Chet Atkins Plays Great Movie Themes (33 Compact) (RCA Victor) 1961 - Christmas with Chet Atkins (RCA Victor) 1962 - Down Home (RCA) 1962 - Plays Back Home Hymns (RCA) 1962 - Caribbean Guitar (RCA Victor) 1963 - Our Man in Nashville (RCA) 1963 - Teen Scene (RCA) 1963 - Travelin' (RCA) 1963 - The Guitar Genius ( RCA Camden) 1964 - Guitar Country (RCA) 1964 - Progressive Pickin' (RCA) 1964 - Reminiscing (RCA Victor) 1964 - The Best of Chet Atkins (RCA Victor) 1964 - The Early Years of Chet Atkins & His Guitar (RCA Camden) 1965 - My Favorite Guitars (RCA) 1965 - More of That Guitar Country (RCA) 1966 - Chet Atkins Picks on the Beatles (RCA) 1966 - From Nashville with Love (RCA) 1966 - The Pops Goes Country (RCA Victor) 1966 - The Best of Chet Atkins Vol. 2 (RCA) 1966 - Music from Nashville, My Hometown ( RCA Camden) 1967 - It's A Guitar World (RCA Victor) 1967 - Chet Atkins Picks the Best (RCA) 1967 - Class Guitar (RCA) 1967 - Chet ( RCA Camden) 1968 - Solo Flights (RCA) 1968 - Solid Gold 68 (RCA) 1968 - Play Guitar with Chet Atkins (Dolton/Liberty) 1968 - Chet All The Way (Import) 1968 - Hometown Guitar (RCA) 1969 - Relaxin' with Chet (Camden) 1969 - Lovers Guitar (RCA) 1969 - Solid Gold 69 (RCA) 1969 - The Nashville String Band (RCA) 1970 - C.B. Atkins & C.E. Snow by Special Request (RCA) 1969 - Chet Atkins Picks on the Pops (RCA Victor) 1970 - Yestergroovin' (RCA) 1970 - Solid Gold 70 (RCA) 1970 - Me & Jerry(w/Jerry Reed) (RCA) 1970 - Down Home (with the Nashville String Band) (RCA) 1970 - Pickin' My Way (RCA) 1970 - This Is Chet Atkins (RCA) 1971 - Mr. Atkins, Guitar Picker (Camden) 1971 - Chet Atkins Guitar Method Volume 1 & 2 (F.A.M.E.) 1971 - For the Good Times (RCA) 1971 - Strung Up (with the Nashville String Band) (RCA) 1971 - Country Pickin' (Pickwick) 1971 - Identified!(Nashville String Band) (RCA) 1971 - Chet Floyd & Boots (Camden) 1972 - Me & Chet(w/Jerry Reed) (RCA) 1972 - World's Greatest Melodies (Nashville String Band) (RCA) 1972 - Now & Then (RCA) 1972 - American Salute (Boston Pops w/Chet Atkins) (RCA Red Seal) 1972 - The Bandit (RCA) 1972 - Nashville Gold (RCA) 1972 - Picks on the Hits (RCA) 1973 - Greatest Hits of the 50's w/Arthur Fiedler (RCA Red Seal) 1972 - Finger Pickin' Good (Camden) 1973 - Discover Japan (import) 1974 - Chet Atkins Picks on Jerry Reed (RCA) 1973 - Superpickers (RCA) 1974 - The Atkins - Travis Traveling Show(w/Merle Travis) (RCA) 1975 - The Night Atlanta Burned (RCA) 1975 - Famous Country Music Makers (RCA) 1975 - In Concert (RCA) 1975 - The Golden Guitar of Chet Atkins (RCA) 1973 - Alone (RCA) 1976 - Chester & Lester(w/Les Paul) (RCA) 1975 - Chet Atkins Goes to the Movies (RCA) 1975 - Teen Scene (reissue) (Pickwick) 1977 - Love Letters (Camden) 1976 - The Best of Chet Atkins and Friends (RCA) 1977 - Me and My Guitar (RCA) 1977 - Chet Floyd & Danny (RCA) 1977 - A Legendary Performer (RCA) 1978 - Guitar Monsters(w/ Les Paul) (RCA) 1979 - And Then Came Chet (France) (RCA) 1979 - First Nashville Guitar Quartet (RCA) 1980 - The Best of Chet on the Road - Live (RCA) 1980 - Reflections (RCA) 1981 - Country After All These Years (RCA) 1981 - Standard Brands (RCA) 1981 - Country Music (Time-Life) 1982 - Solid Gold Guitar (RCA) 1983 - Guitar Pickin' Man (Cambra) 1983 - Great Hits of the Past (RCA) 1983 - Work It out with Chet Atkins C.G.P. (CBS) 1983 - East Tennessee Christmas (CBS) 1984 - Tennessee Guitar Man (Pair) 1984 - A Man & His Guitar (RCA) 1985 - Collectors Series (RCA) 1985 - Guitar for all Seasons (Pair) 1985 - Stay Tuned (Columbia) 1986 - 20 of the Best (RCA) 1986 - Street Dreams (Columbia) 1987 - Sails (CBS) 1988 - Chet Atkins, C.G.P. (CBS) 1988 - Pickin' on Country (Pair) 1989 - Masters of the Guitar: Together (Pair) 1989 - Pickin' the Hits (Pair) 1990 - Neck & Neck (Columbia) 1990 - The Magic of Chet Atkins (Heartland Music) 1990 - Country Gems (Pair) 1991 - The Romantic Guitar (RCA Special Products) 1992 - Sneakin' Around (CBS) 1992 - The RCA Years (RCA) 1993 - The Gingham Dog and the Calico Cat (w/Amy Grant) (Madacy) 1993 - Gallopin' Guitar (Bear Family) 1993 - Jazz From The Hills (Bear Family) 1994 - Simpatico (w/Suzy Bogguss) (Liberty) 1994 - Read My Licks (Columbia) 1996 - The Essential Chet Atkins (RCA) 1996 - Almost Alone (Columbia) 1997 - The Day Finger Pickers Took Over the World (Sony) 1998 - Super Hits (BMG/RCA) 1998 - Masters (import) (Eagle) 2000 - Guitar Legend: The RCA Years (Buddha/BMG) 2000 - Guitar Man (Camden/BMG) 2001 - RCA Country Legends (BMG/Buddha) 2001 - The Master and His Music (BMG/Buddha) 2002 - Chet Atkins Picks on the Grammys (Columbia) 2002 - Tribute to Bluegrass (BMG) 2003 - The Best of Chet Atkins (Belgium) (BMG) 2003 - Solo Sessions (2-CD) (CGP Records) Mr. Paige, Mr. Hendrix, Mr. Van Halen, Mr. Malmstein, Mr. Clapton, Mr. Knopfler, and so many others are very, very, very good and equally loved by fans, but I do not think they have covered the wide array of styles, nor have they made continuous music for as long a time, nor have they seamlessly blended into whatever they were doing as well as Chet Atkins. Remember, my opinion really only works for me.

mmsiman, I am running dual KSW-200's. One on the left channel and one on the right for stereo LFE during movies. I run them set the equally and I can run them anytime but mostly do it for movies. This was done to enhance the LFE and because I got a great deal on a second KSW-200. My room has some limitations so placement is a bit of an issue. The subs are currently on either side of my seating area and work really well as long as you stay seated. If you get between them, and about two feet from the TV screen, (abt 8 feet infront of seating) there is a very dead area for LF...almost nonexistent. This is isolated to a very small 2' box very near the TV screen so I don't care, but it is there just the same.

Bill, I'm a rookie. What does "bump" mean? Thanks.

I have too many speakers and I need to sell some. I would like some help in formulating a fair price for the things I have and your expertise would be greatly appreciated. Here is my list. (1) KSW-200, black, 9/10 condition (1) KSW-150, black, 9/10 condition One pair KG-1's, medium oak finish, 9/10 condition One pair KG-1.5's, medium oak finish, 9/10 condition One pair KSPS-.5's, black, 9/10 condition One pair KSPS-1.5's, white, 9/10 condition One pair Heresy II's, medium oak finish, 9/10 condition Thank you for any assistance you can provide.

Coytee, I do not have K'horns, or the MC2600, or others mentioned, but I do have Klipsch and McIntosh gear. I have KLF-20 speakers, Heresy I' and II's. My McIntosh gear consists of a C32 (SS) pre amp, an MC2125 (SS) amp, and an MC75 (SS) tuner. I purchased my gear through Roger Russel and Terry DeWick. They may have slightly higher prices than other places, but the gear comes from a qualified repair shop, in working order, with a warranty...which means something to me. I suggest calling Roger and speaking directly to him about what you want. He is polite, knowledgable, helpful, and does not steer you to just the highest price equipment as the "best" choice. I run all the tone controls in straight up or neutral position, but have played with them and the range is very wide so you should be able to tailor any sound you want. My MC2125 is 125wpc and honestly drives my KLF-20's better than I had hoped. The bass response is tight and powerful. The mids and highs are a clear and crisp as one could want, and because the KLF-20's are so effiecient I can remove any cob webs in the room should the need arise. I have metered over 117db constant, without turning the pre amp volume, or amp gains, up past 12:00 and the sound is perfectly clear...although waaaaaaay to loud to stay in the room for any length of time. The sound is also quite nice at lower volumes too (in the 60-80db range), which is where I do most of my listening. The Mac amps are "underrated", or as I like to say, correctly rated and not hyped. If you get a 200wpc Mac you will have the power to dry your hair while listening, and enjoy the sound for your efforts. One great thing about Mac is the value they hold. If you buy a $3000 set up, ten years from now it will be worth about $3000, or maybe more for collector reasons, if you keep it in good shape, so the investment is not that great a risk should you not like the sound. Talk to Roger, make your choice, and let us know what you think of the McIntosh you purchased. If I had my druthers, I'd get two of the MC275 tube amps.

jheis, the smoke smell may be from a few different things, and you need to find out to fix it. The smell may be from the stinky air surrounding the equipment at the time of packaging. If this is the case you just have to wait a while for the stench to go away and you can speed this up by placing the equipment in a well ventilated area for a weekend. The smell my be coming from the residue of tobacco smoke...(TAR) This leaves a sticky, grease like residue, that can be super thin and hard to detect, or it can be thick from years of exposure. If this is the case you must remove the tar in order to remove the stench. Removal of tobacco tar is pretty easy, but you have to get all surfaces/parts cleaned because the smoke infiltrates every opening without fail...and stains everything it contacts. Plain Dawn dish soap and hot water work good, and this does not effect printing or tampo labels too often, but be careful with whatever you choose to clean the equipment with. The smell may be coming from someone sneaking a smoke in your office just to make you wonder, and squirm. A good practical joke deserves an equally well thought out revenge...have fun if this is the case.

crazytubepower, There are many songs with a bass line but here are a couple that I like for sub testing. Madonna (Frozen) The song has many highs as well, but the bass tone is very low and lasts a long time. Pink Floyd (Time) Great heartbeat sounds in the beginning, but be careful of the bells that soon follow. The rest of the song has great bass chords throughout. Queen (Dragon Attack) Very strong bass guitar through the entire song. (Crazy Little thing Called Love) Another great bass guitar song. Jimmy Hendrix (Fire) Very nice bass guitar through the entire song, especially the beginning. I stuck with rock songs but there are others with great bass too. I can never remember how to spell it correctly, or who wrote it, but a classical piece named (Tocotta en Feuge) has some SUPER great bass, especially if you get the live version played on the HUGE pipe organ. This ventures into the 16HZ region and I am sorry about the vagueness of who plays it and what recording it is on...but I just do not remember.

Where are you located? What is your price? dan.levesque@minarik.com 651-905-7522

BillH2121, I am not a tech head about this stuff, so I will not try to dazzle you with the details. There are others here that can do this much better than I could ever attempt. In an earlier post you were wondering if the tube amp will be as "loud" as the MC2125. This is a tough thing to cover, and prove, as you have a very capable amp in that MC2125. If you had a cheapo 100-200WPC amp that you were comparing, the proof would be in the pudding. The Mac, however, has superior power, and plenty to spare when using very efficient speakers. I have a MC2125 and use a C32 pre, running through either Heresys or KLF-20's, so I understand what you have become accustom to. My friend has been playing with tube amp selections for about two years. I have listened to many of them with him. A couple store bought stockers, a couple modified units, a couple vintage units. They all had their own unique sound, and even the worst one sounded very nice. Most of these were in the 30wpc area with the highest being a 60wpc and the lowest being 15wpc. We tried them on Fortes, KLF-20's, Heresys, KG-2.2, 1.5's, and 1.0's, There were other speakers, but those are the Klipsch we tried. NONE, and I mean NONE of these amps were NOT able to produce a sufficient SPL to make the music loud. Did they all drive the system like the MC2125?...NO, but remember, the MC2125 is a pretty big stick to swing, so using that as your barometer sets the expectations pretty high from the start. Rest assured though that a quality 25wpc amp will drive the system quite hard if needed. As mentioned earlier, it is in the output voltages...and tubes excell in the output voltage department, not to mention sweet sound. Good luck.

Colin, yes I did. I had gone there to check out the new version. I already did a bunch of research on the thing via internet avenues, and now needed to hear it to make the final decision. The salesman was very helpful. He hooked up the whole thing (it was new enough at the store that they did not have it set up yet). I went in on a weekday and found out it was not hooked up. The sales guy did the right thing, by me anyway. He told me what the situation was and then made a reasonable offer. He let me know he would be working that weekend, then said he would hook the thing up himself, and he would call me when all was ready so I could come hear it...good job in my book. This guy was completley different than the others I had encountered at this store...by the way, he now manages the sales force there too. Anyway, I went there when we agreed to meet, he was there, the RXZ1 was all hooked up to gear very similar to mine as we had discussed earlier, I listened for about 30-60 minutes, and then purchased. I do wish I had played with the remote more though. I really do not like the RXZ1 remote at all. I don't hate it, but you can see hate from here. I will say that half of the sale that day came directly from the salesmans efforts. He sold the unit to me by playing it to me, not just letting me listen to whatever they had to offer. If I were buying a lesser receiver I would have not expected to get service like this. When buying in the area of new RXZ1 however, this guy understood that I was looking for more than something that simply "worked" when turned on, and he took the time to demonstrate the gears abilities.

I am listening to a 2230 right now. This is the receiver I have for the office (one of the perks of working in a shop) The power is rated at "only" 30wpc, but it is a very powerful 30WPC so don't compare this to modern SS, or boom box ratings. The 2230 has a low filter, high filter, loudness (don't use this much because it is a bit too powerful) the ability to run four speakers via tow seperate taps, AM, FM, Phono, Tape, and AUX selections and a very adjustable tone control section with bass, midrange, and treble knobs. The tuner is very good and pulls in weak stations, or pulls in stations eventhough the surrounding area is cluttered with transformers that make other tuners usless. The tuner does drift a bit so regular tweaking is needed, but that is not a big deal. This is a very nice receiver for two channel. I also have a 2250, which is basically the same thing but rated at 50wpc. The durability or repair record of MARANTZ is viewed very differently by many. My 2230 has never had any issues, the 2250 had a contact come loose that caused the left channel to drop out...easy fix though, but it still had to be fixed. These are a little heavy so if you have one shipped make CERTAIN it is packaged correctly and double boxed, otherwise it will get damaged in shipping. If you are interested in the either the 2230 or 2250 give me a holler. I can be reached at (dan.levesque@minarik.com) or 651-905-7522. I am in Minnesota. Thanks and have a great day.

Thanks Colin, I can understand the desire to see most customers as tire kickers, because that is what a bunch of customers do. I, along with most other audio afflicted souls, do go looking and listening on occasion just for kicks, or to see what is new. When I am tire kicking however, I rarely ask the sales staff for help, never ask the sales staff to rearrange things just for me, and would never ask for them to completely hook up a system on a whim...they have better things to do than cater to me at that time. When I do decide to purchase, then I am expecting the sales staff to help me with service, especially when I am looking at the higher end equipment they have to offer. Concerning the buyer/not buyer position, as you so eloquently hinted towards, I ask that you do a little homework before throwing the gauntlet. Check a persons profile, it is there for a reason. I am not a prolific audio purchaser, but I play with what I can afford...when I can afford it. To directly answer your question, no I did not purchase the RXV1 at that time. During the interim after the lousy service my personal situation changed and money was no longer available. When the RXZ1 came out I was again ready to purchase, and did so when the time was right. Have a great day Colin

Yeah, I used to walk away too, then I decided to help the guy with honest, polite, constructive criticism. For instance, when I went to audition the new Yamaha RXV1 years ago, the thing was barely hooked up at all. I played with the buttons until the sales guy made his way over. I asked if I could hear the RXV1 and he replied that the (RXV-whatever) was hooked up and sounded pretty close to the new system. I said I was not interested in the (RXV???) and asked again if I could hear the RXV1. He said it will take a while to get it hooked up...I said I'll wait. 20 minutes later, and four other salesmen later, they finally had it "hooked up". Now remember, this is in the high end surround sound room that has two other systems set up total, not thirty different amps, DVD's and so on. He turned it on and he actually had ONLY the rear surrounds hooked up. I asked about that and he said that I should be able to hear the amp good enough. This is when the constructive criticism came out. I very politely, and quite restrained in manner, explained to the sales guy that I was a serious customer who is not interested in wasting my time, let alone his. I asked if he would by a new car after only being allowed to open the drivers door, and not actually get in a drive one bit. Of course he said no. I then asked if I had been polite and patient with him, and again the answer was yes. Then I asked if any other customers had waited 40 minutes to hear anything in the building, let alone one particular system, to which he said no. I then said that after waiting patiently for 40 minutes, to hear a particular system, set up in a particular room that is designed for surround sound systems, I was completely let down by the efforts he had given in hooking the system up so poorly. I told him I had waited to hear the surround sound this system had to offer, not two rear surround speakers hooked to the A side main output. I then asked how the heck I was supposed to even consider buying anything from him after such poor service, and no real audition to base any decisions upon...to which he said he was sorry in the standard salesman tone. I told him that I had already researched the system completely. I knew the specs, had read reviews, and now just needed to actually hear the thing to make the final decision...I was here to buy this thing tonight if it sounded right. All this was said in a polite, calm manner that was truthful and matter of fact in nature. I then said I hoped he had learned something tonight and that there would be no sale of any kind at this time. When you just walk away the untrained salesman gets no feedback about what actually went wrong...and they usually never get any better because of this. By being polite and telling them why you are dissatisfied (within reason mind you) they can then learn from it, or remain the same, the choice is up to them, but they have been given the opportunity to learn.

When doing auditions I have found that a COMPLETE check of the equipment in question is of the first order. Make sure the tone controls are in the neutral position, the loudness is turned off, and any other processor pass throughs are bypassed if possible. Next you must check that BOTH speakers are actually hooked up. Also make sure that the speakers that are running are not conflicting with some different speakers in the same room. I have seen many systems set up with one model on the left and another on the right, and often not even the same size/style too boot. While checking the speaker hook up look to see if they are connected the same and not out of phase. Now that the system you are interested in is hooked up, do a test runs. Check that the speakers in question are actually running. Then check that NO other speakers are running, especially a sub woofer. All but the best audio stores have this problem. So many things are being swapped in and out so often, coupled with employees who really do not care, as well as customers who must fool around with things they should not, that you get a very mixed bag of results. The point is, NEVER sit down expecting things to be set up to optimum conditions unless you are in a very high end store.

Does anyone have the OHM levels for the KLF-20 for frequencies that range from 25 HZ through 25,000 HZ? While you are at it, I would like this for the Heresy speakers too. Thanks for the help and have a great day.

Eskimo, do your best to get a KLF-C7 center for your KLF-20's. It is a bit large, but not as large as a converted KLF-20. I have (4) KLF-20's as front and rear mains. I used to have a couple other Klipsch centers and none of them "fit" as well as the KLF-C7. The whole audio picture changed when I finally added the KLF-C7. No, it is not audio nirvana, but it is worth your time and effort to find one.

Music I don't "get" when everyone else does get it. If I had to choose one person it would be Prince (or the symbol). I have heard genius bestowed upon him sooooo many times. I'll agree that he can play guitar pretty well, but I have never been able to figure out why there is such a deep following for his music. If I were to choose one style of music I don't get it would have to be, fusion/free jazz. I have a hard time making sense out of every person in the band playing their own song...all at the same time.

I am interested. I sent you a PM to ask a few questions.

I remember Strabo's Granada, and Mustang. I was riding with him the day the rear wheel came off the Mustang then later, after we got things fixed up and rolling again, the hood latch came loose and the hood folded over the windshield while driving down the highway. The Granada must have been a male car because it tried really hard to hump an Impala one day when the brakes failed...that was fun. My first car was a 1975 Ford Elite that was purchased for $620 at Joe Grave Motors. The motor was basically shot, the tranny slipped, the body was so-so, the vinyl top had come off, but the interior was perfect. I installed loud pipes, trim rings and baby moons and proceeded to love that car...eventhough I pounded the poop out of it. I received my one and only speeding ticket in that car. A long, and fun story but lets just say I had the needle buried when the cop nailed me with the radar gun. The Elite would off road like crazy and went through snow as if it was designed to plow snow. This was also the first place where I started to enjoy music. The stereo in my Elite was preyy good...for a cheepo system. I rarely drove with the stereo off. I sold this car, when I went into the navy, to a coworker of my dads who was buying it for his kid. I told him everything, he drove it, took it home, and it seemed to finally breathe a sigh of relief...then it came flying apart. My dad caught a bit of heck for selling the car to his buddy because it was simply used up and constantly broke. Being a car guy I will never forget my first car. A very good day in my life indeed. I think the most important thing I learned with that car was how to speak to police and get away with a warning...lotsa opportunities to practice.