TheEAR Posted February 9, 2002 Share Posted February 9, 2002 CornBreadWallz are mighty fine speakers,while they will never win any looks contest and are not the most refined Dynaudio Evidence type speakers we solid state junkies prefer,the Cornwall is a fine speaker. With the right power amp,like a tube Cary for example it shines.And I tell you it really makes you wonder if the fat brutish boxes can produce this exquisite sound. Yes they can The Cornwalls are great speakers. Or Cornbreadwallz like I call them,the Promedia line was renamed LoudMedia by me also! Klipsch should hire me. NOT Its I am just not a fan of delicate tube amps,I do love tube preamps and recomend AudioResearch and CJ tube preamps to any SS amp owner. If an amp cant double as an arc welder in the GE submarine yard its not good for me.So far Krell makes the meanest and baddest musical arc welders around. And I like them www.krellonline.com Check their new lineup of speakers!Very impressive but may be a wee bit overpriced in my view.I like their MRA monoblock and the MRS sub is one moghty super Sunfire monster. TheEAR(s) Now theears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike stehr Posted February 10, 2002 Share Posted February 10, 2002 The guts on that KAV-280 cd player are pretty chunkified. These guys like those Big 'Ol Toriod Transformers. Can't feel the heat without a good overkill power supply. I noticed you can't see the guts of the Class A stuff. What kind of drivers you think they use in their speakers, Theears? THANX! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted February 11, 2002 Share Posted February 11, 2002 Mike, The Krell LAT speakers use custom ScanSpeak drivers(mid bass and woofers).I am quite sure of this. The Krell Master Reference Sub(or MRS)uses some overkill drievrs(over 80lbs per driver,was I told by a Krell MRS owner,over 80lbs per driver!! ). The LAT speakers are a thing of beauty,they feel as solid as blocks of steel!Resonance is almost elimnated,but the price will scare 99% of buyers away. The Krell FPB series amps(well the FPB600) features two giant torroids(by looking at them I will say 3-4KVA per torroid)and multiple mid sized caps,the old Krell KSA and KAS used bif fat cans(two or four). I like Dan Dagostino way of amp design,the amp must be capable of driving any load(well down to 1 ohm)and double its output.This shows how good his PSU and output stage are,great design.And the Krell amps are dead silent,S/N ratio is damn good. All in all well designed amp,over built Krell style. TheEAR(s) Now theears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike stehr Posted February 11, 2002 Share Posted February 11, 2002 They sure are some Monster Torroids. I wonder if they source those transformers in Europe, or if they are made in North America. I kind of thought the speakers were Scan Speaks, just had a hunch, I guess. I think you getting just as much of a speaker with the Dynaudio's for a lot less, Am I correct? Feel the Electromagnetic Force, Brother! You should go for a Vintage Analog System, then you would have the HT system, the SS reference system, and a Vintage Analog system with a Turntable. You would be set for life. A system for every mood. THANX! This message has been edited by mike stehr on 02-11-2002 at 01:02 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike stehr Posted February 11, 2002 Share Posted February 11, 2002 Not too fond of shorted loads, mdeneen? It's always nice to have a amp that you can substitute for a welding project. Just put the stick and ground right on those Monster wires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazman Posted February 11, 2002 Share Posted February 11, 2002 TBrennan, The word respect has many definitions. It sounds like you're hung up on the "reverence" track. Respect also may be defined as appreciation, esteem. Appreciation and esteem for excellent industrial produt design is not a new concept. In fact, they have awards for such. So if you've got a thirty year old Whirlpool or Vegi-matic that is as competent as it's modern counterpart, and still in demand thirty years later, they may qualify. Though I may not challenge you on audio techinical subjects, I know the english language very well. Klipsch out. PS. In case you can't tell, this is a humble apology for the vague usage of the word "respect". This message has been edited by jazman on 02-11-2002 at 02:11 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOUNDJUNKIE Posted February 11, 2002 Share Posted February 11, 2002 Mike, the transformers are made by Tortran here in Bridgeport CT., a stones throw away from Krell HQ. I had the head designer make me a matched custom pair of the 2KVA variety, potted and shielded for a welding project of my own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted February 11, 2002 Share Posted February 11, 2002 mdeneen, "specially good for all those 1-ohm speakers on the market these days!" Yes yes!You are right,the 1 Ohm speakers. LOL I know you like fragile,microwatt amps with 10% THD and bottled sounds that glow like a firefly.Its your taste.Yes the small tube wonders are more delicate,more airy.I can enjoy this too you know. I prefer my amp solid,heavy and able to drive a thick maconry nail and make it turn red! LOL I love BRUTAL amps,as brutal as possible and match them with brutal speakers like large Klipsch to get BRUTAL in your face,knock you down,wake the dead sound.Its TheEAR's way to enjoy techno and heavy metal.Man I am not into delicate chamber music.As you must know by now. Why do you think I matched RF-7's with an ATI 2505? To get the ultimate brutal experience. LOL Let the high sizzle,oh yeah pump up the agressive. Go brutal go TheEAR(s) Now theears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike stehr Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 Now I kinda Hunched you were into to Techno, but Metal? Now I understand, Slayer requires many watts, so does 'OLD'Metallica,SOD,Venom,Testament,Exodus,Savatage,Sepultura,Overkill,Misfits?,Megadeth,CannibalCorpse,TypeO,Pantera,Death,CelticFrost,Fates Warning,OLD,Budgie,King Diamond and Mercyful Fate,Anthrax,Acid Bath,And whatever else that'll get your hair movin'. What kind of Heavy Metal genre are you refering to, Theears? The term kinda stretches wide. THANX! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile homeless Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 The bass and low end impact is more defined and solid via my 3.5w 2A3 Monoblocks (w/very serious transformers and power supply) then: 1. 14w EICO HF-81 2. 30W ASUSA EL-34 Ultralinear PP (choke input) 3. 25w Monarchy Audio SM-70 Solid State Class A Amp 4. 50w Jolida JD302B PP Ultralinear Integrated 5. And more refined than the 250w Bryston 4B-ST This is through the 98dB Cornwall I with Alnico. How long will it talke to break the watts myth kh ------------------ Phono Linn LP-12 Vahalla / Linn Basic Plus / Sumiko Blue Point CD Player Rega Planet Preamp Cary Audio SLP-70 w/Phono Modified Amplifier Welborne Labs 2A3 Moondog Monoblocks Cable DIYCable Superlative / Twisted Cross Connect Speaker 1977 Klipsch Cornwall I w/Alnico & Type B Crossover system one online / alternate components / Asylum Listing f>s> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBrennan Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 Many years ago I had LaScalas and a Dynaco 400 (200 wpc), when listening to Thin Lizzey, AC-DC, Rush, Cactus, Budgie, Mountain, MC-5, Sir Lord Baltimore, The Stooges, UFO and such I'd run the Dyna balls-out, I'd have the clipping lamps going. Even 104db speakers need lots of power when doing hard-rock in a realistic manner, whether this is sensible or not not being the point. Ah, the good old days, when Heavy Metal music still had recognizable Blues and Rock and Roll roots. You know what, I think I'll listen to "Zoom Club" by Budgie right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Warren Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 I'm with Tom on this one. This message has been edited by John Warren on 02-12-2002 at 09:04 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 Mobile Home, "How long will it take to break the watts myth" Yes how long will some snooty(in a good way) audiophiles realise tube amps are not the most practical. The bottom line is the type of music I listen to needs the BIG wattage I have(well 10% of it)and a little tube job will not do.Sure the VTL Wotan will in spades Remember I also have Dynaudio Contours,these need big power to play at realistic volumes.Anfd a big qulaity tube amp costs more per watt. I agree that tube amps sound very full and you may prefer this sound signature.I want to hear it like it is no sugar coating. TheEAR(s) Now theears This message was edited by TheEAR to sound less harsh to Mobile and tube pals. This message has been edited by TheEAR on 02-12-2002 at 10:37 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike stehr Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 I threw on 'Never turn your back on a freind' by Budgie. These guys are Hard and Heavy for the time frame. Of course, Metallica Ripped-Off these guys. Excellent Taste in the Ole Heavies, TOM! I think Theears just told ya to put up yer dukes, Mobile. This message has been edited by mike stehr on 02-12-2002 at 10:08 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile homeless Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 You know, you all are right. Without 200w, these horns can sound anemic. Threadbare. And baby, they do need solid state WATTS! Rightto, John. Not floppy bass tubes for polite audiophilistines. And to think that Tom's 200w Dynaco 400 was clipping right and left with his 104dB LaScalas. Man....that is POWER baby. Was that with the DYNAGUARD going? Yeah, well... Selah. Why argue? kh This message has been edited by mobile homeless on 02-12-2002 at 10:54 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Warren Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 What is the sensitivity of a CW in the 40-100Hz range? I have no data. This message has been edited by John Warren on 02-13-2002 at 08:01 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile homeless Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 Quite simply and to the point, John, What Stereo Review article did you get this interpretation from? I still remember your quote of one of Julian Hirsch's 1983 articles as perhaps the nadir of your contribution to the legacy of the JW parts is parts drive. Favorite John Warren Quote: "In all honesty-I have no patience for "subtlety (sp?)". I attend symphonies, I've listened to the biggest pipe organs in the world, both here in USA and abroad. I know EXACTLY what makes musical reproduction fun for me and it definetly IS NOT fancy cables or hot-rodded crossover networks. Like aircraft engines, it comes down to moving air and for me, the more the better." f> It is a wonder you have little appreciation or "patience for subtlety". It involves a level of discernment that evidently remains elusive. The more air moved, the better. Indeed. At least we know where you stand. It's just I don't know if standing or sitting would be discernable difference with you. kh ps - Mr. Warren edited his post above while I was responding with this one, thus, it might not seem to follow. I'll think I'll let this one stand. Let's just say he had some "data" there along with a Julian Hirsch take on amplification. This message has been edited by mobile homeless on 02-13-2002 at 08:54 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Warren Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 I was guessing at sensitivity values for the CW, I'd prefer to get them from someone who has actually measured them to an accepted standard. So, it was easier to frame the post in the form of a question (sort of like Jeopardy). Your 98 dB/W/m value ascribed to the CW is likely at or near frequencies above the CO point for the mid-range horn. For SET amp, you should be interested in LF sensitivity since Watts (with a capital W) are hard to come by in SET offerings AND the CW is a direct radiator with a marginally efficient woofer below 600Hz(or so). The old post still reads well, even after all these months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synthfreek Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 Well I live here in Austin and I could've had these for $700 months ago but passed on 'em. I actually posted about these asking if they were a good deal. ------------------ Outlaw 1050 A/V Receiver Rega P3 Turntable AMC CD8b CD Player Toshiba 3108 DVD Player Klipsch KG 4.2s(main) 2 Dynaco A-10/V IIs(centers) Cerwin Vega E-706s(rears) Cerwin Vega LW-12(sub) Parasound PPH-100 Phono Preamp Vampire Wire Digital Interconnects & Speaker Wire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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