seti Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 It will just work, and well, it will definately last longer then the PC. Do you have the statistics to back that up? We have had Macs come in DOA, had them require hardware replacements within the first six months, yadayada... Percentage wise, a much higher failure rate than the Dells, and IBMs. At the moment, I'm using my Windows 2000 box here at home. I haven't had to reformat in the 9 years I've had it. It runs 12 hours a day. I had to replace a power supply in it. Just some friendly advice. If she wants a MAC get her a MAC or no computer at all. If her mind is set on that, a PC will not make her happy. I have seen this many times with friends that have had their kids want ipods and the parents buy them Zunes,Sansa etc...Maybe she just needs to be educated... Really, I love the Macs, but economically, I can't get one. All my Adobe apps will run just as well on Windows as on OS X. It sounds like she is educated Does she need an older boyfriend with a spare Powerbook? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace168516 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 I hope this does not qualify as a flame-war post...I have nothing against apple, but apples to oranges...find the best price on the macbook, buy her a $400 pc, invest the $1000 saved...then when the pc no longer meets her needs, she will be able to buy a pair of macbooks...or buy another $400 pc and learn a very valuable lesson about saving money. Again...nothing agains macs...they are fine computers, no doubt. I just don't see the value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo33 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 I know the Macbook is outrageously expensive but I like Apple's hardware for its simplistic and elegant design. Plus Mac OS X is pretty rock solid since it is a variation of BSD (and now Free BSD). BSD Unix is considered the best OS bar none. Every OS exists today contained the BSD network stack. I have a couple servers running on Free BSD for years without a single hickup or reboot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invidiosulus Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 I know the Macbook is outrageously expensive but I like Apple's hardware for its simplistic and elegant design. My beef with the hardware which I think has gotten better in the most recent macbooks was the simplistic and elegant approach they took to making it retardedly difficult to replace broken drives etc.There is no reason you should have to take the entire case apart just to get to the drive.I think they have gotten better but I haven't had a chance to open one of the unibody's but I still think you have to remove the entire bottom panel which is about 8 or 12 screws. [:@] -Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace168516 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 I had to pull a superdrive out of a 13.3" macbook...it was not fun. The drive also had no casing around it...so when my customer put in an 80mm cd, which the superdrive does not support as it is a slot load, it was floating around in the chassis against the motherboard...design at it's finest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo33 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 I have seen some PC notebook in which you have to do the same thing opening some 6 to 8 screws and removing the entire bottom panel to get access to hard drive and memory.The Unibody MacBook has no screw to screw with. To replace the hard drive or memory, you just lift a single latch and remove the bottom panel (about one third size of the notebook). I think Steve learn from his mistake this time around. Though it does pose another problem which is making it easy for others to steal parts when you're having the notebook at work unattended. My beef with the hardware which I think has gotten better in the most recent macbooks was the simplistic and elegant approach they took to making it retardedly difficult to replace broken drives etc. There is no reason you should have to take the entire case apart just to get to the drive. I think they have gotten better but I haven't had a chance to open one of the unibody's but I still think you have to remove the entire bottom panel which is about 8 or 12 screws. -Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 The Unibody MacBook has no screw to screw with. To replace the hard drive or memory, you just lift a single latch and remove the bottom panel (about one third size of the notebook). I think Steve learn from his mistake this time around. Yup, the newer ones are much better. The machined aluminum body is also very sturdy. I am more impressed with the OS. I find it very elegant (in a good way). Windows 7 is a great improvement on the Windows side. Since I have had little interaction with a Vista PC... I find version 7 to be pretty nice. XP is/was so stable. If 7 can compete with that, it will be a winner. We really ask the OS to do a LOT, and it is all magic in some sense. I am happy with either one of them. Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo33 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 In term of stability and usability, Windows 7 does not compare to MacOS X. I am more impressed with the OS. I find it very elegant (in a good way). Windows 7 is a great improvement on the Windows side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invidiosulus Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 I have seen some PC notebook in which you have to do the same thing opening some 6 to 8 screws and removing the entire bottom panel to get access to hard drive and memory.The Unibody MacBook has no screw to screw with. To replace the hard drive or memory, you just lift a single latch and remove the bottom panel (about one third size of the notebook). I think Steve learn from his mistake this time around. Though it does pose another problem which is making it easy for others to steal parts when you're having the notebook at work unattended. My beef with the hardware which I think has gotten better in the most recent macbooks was the simplistic and elegant approach they took to making it retardedly difficult to replace broken drives etc. There is no reason you should have to take the entire case apart just to get to the drive. I think they have gotten better but I haven't had a chance to open one of the unibody's but I still think you have to remove the entire bottom panel which is about 8 or 12 screws. -Josh ORLY? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo33 Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 I think Steve just want to irritate you []. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invidiosulus Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 I think Steve just want to irritate you .lol, Quite possibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 I almost took a pic of the bottom of one of the newer Macbooks, today. Youlift up one tab, and a cover lifts off, about one third of the bottom. From there you have the battery on your right and the hard drive on the left. Much nicer than the ones Josh took apart before, like the one the girl let fall into the bathtub. Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invidiosulus Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Aha, I see we are talking about two different things. The only ones I've seen recently have been the macbook pro version instead of regular macbook. I still wonder about that bathtub incident... -Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invidiosulus Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Hmm, I think steve really is out to get me. I just looked at the manuals on apple's website and the late 2008 Aluminum models are the ones that show the lever action bottom. The 2009 models all show the remove 8 screws and take off the entire bottom method. I would imagine that it makes the overall body more stable. -Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo33 Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Apple aluminum UniBody MacBook Pro 15" (late 2008 model) with back cover off. The overall aluminum body is very rigid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invidiosulus Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Nice! Is that a user replaceable battery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 I see we are talking about two different things. Actually, no, they are the macbook pro models, but the newer ones. The 17 inchers are different. The battery just lifts out, and you can see the mylar tab... Bruce. ps- neo beat me to it, and I was distracted for a while... I haven't seen the newer ones to know, but there are screws to remove the rest of the bottom cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo33 Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Yes. Also, you have to remove the battery and unscrew two screws and pull out a bar just to the right of the hard drive to get access to the RAM. Nice! Is that a user replaceable battery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay481985 Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 wait why does she want a 15 inch macbook pro? the 13.3 is best for being on the lap as many people use it. 15 is a little too big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgoreck Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 I use my15" on my lap all the time. Actually gald I didn't get the 13" tried using two friends who have them, felt it was to small. Maybe me being a larger guy helps? (6'1"+ and 200lbs) so maybe it just feels....right? lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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