andruxa Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 I have synergy F2 speakers along with synergy 10'' subwoofer and I have denon avr 689 bi amping F2s. I also have small onkyo surround speakrs and a center pioneer speaker... F2 RMS = 100 watts, Denon = 80 w/ch Just today I noticed my F2s clip for the first time at really high volume (close to 0 dB on my denon receiver). The cd that I was playing was an original copy (not burned) so the quality of the music could not have been an issue. It sounded like the speakers were clipping at low/mid frequencies.. What could be the issue here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuzzzer Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 Your Denon is giving all it has and you're clipping it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andruxa Posted February 9, 2010 Author Share Posted February 9, 2010 i wish they made a power meter on receivers these days.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ69 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 i wish they made a power meter on receivers these days.. You don't need power meters (meters won't show anything but a hard clip) as soon as you hear the sound compress or sound shrill it's already way over-driven. If you want to play you have to pay, you'll need a couple hundred watts a channel to really rock out. You might think about a separate amp. Thanx, Russ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonbart Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 turn it down or buy a new amp. That could not have sounded good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivernuggets Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 It only has a sub preout - rules out a seperate amp. It also does not have audio capability over HDMI. A con if you're into that sorta thing. If you want crazy volumes, get a seperate processor and amp. Boom! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davis419b Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I have synergy F2 speakers along with synergy 10'' subwoofer and I have denon avr 689 bi amping F2s. I also have small onkyo surround speakrs and a center pioneer speaker... F2 RMS = 100 watts, Denon = 80 w/ch Just today I noticed my F2s clip for the first time at really high volume (close to 0 dB on my denon receiver). The cd that I was playing was an original copy (not burned) so the quality of the music could not have been an issue. It sounded like the speakers were clipping at low/mid frequencies.. What could be the issue here? I am curious, what kind of problems can you have with a burned CD ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andruxa Posted February 9, 2010 Author Share Posted February 9, 2010 obviously the sound quality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ69 Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 It only has a sub preout - rules out a seperate amp. The dude needs an amp. Without having pre-outs he'll need a pre-amp as well but he still needs an amp! Thanx, Russ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivernuggets Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 It only has a sub preout - rules out a seperate amp. The dude needs an amp. Without having pre-outs he'll need a pre-amp as well but he still needs an amp! Thanx, Russ Sorry I should have clarified. The Denon AVR689 cannot be used with an external amp. Thanks Russ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andruxa Posted February 9, 2010 Author Share Posted February 9, 2010 can you guys suggest me a decent amp and pre amp. i don't ever wanna hear clipping again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivernuggets Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I haven't personally heard them yet, but many here praise Emotiva gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andruxa Posted February 9, 2010 Author Share Posted February 9, 2010 btw, there are ext. inputs in my denon for all the speakers ... can't i just wire them directly to the amp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuzzzer Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Your Denon has external inputs, not outputs. The inputs are to connect something like an SACD player or Blu-Ray player that has 5.1 or 7.1 discrete outputs. You need a receiver or pre-amp that has pre-amp outputs for at least the front 2 main channels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMcD Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Hard to tell. I suspect you are challenging the amp and the speakers. Like I say, if this is near train wreck situation it is difficult to blame any one component. I would suggest the typical -- that is: go back to basics. Do make sure that the receiver has all speakers set to small. Are you sure it is the F2's going into distress. Try playing them alone. With them set to small they could still be overdriven. I suspect the center as a possible source of bad sounds. In any event, try isolating the overdriven component. - - - As an aside. I do question the implication that digital copies of audio degrade. We burn copies of all sorts of digital files, including computer programs. The programs run just fine and this make Bill Gates worried. Music files are transmitted all across the Internet, and this makes copyright owners nervous. Yet somehow people believe that if you burn a music CD to CD-R there is some loss of data. How can that be? Wm McD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andruxa Posted February 9, 2010 Author Share Posted February 9, 2010 it's not about copyrighting, it's about how cds get burned. while we burn them with cheap 20$ cd writers, professional studios have hundrends of thousands worth of equipment to handle that. try and rip a professionally burned cd to your comp and then burn it on cd-r and you'll be able to tell the difference... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMcD Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 We will have to leave this as an issue upon which we disagree. Wm McD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 we burn them with cheap 20$ cd writers, professional studios have hundrends of thousands worth of equipment to handle that. But their CD players aren't that expensive. Been there and know for a fact. I've made copies and you can't tell the difference. It will help if YOU don't burn them at 54X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivernuggets Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 From what I understand, there is no difference in sound quality. And as Wm McD pointed out, same with complicated computer programs. Burned duplicates perform just as fine. The only difference I know of doesn't have to do with sound quality. A commercially made disc will last a long time, where as a burned CD-R has a shelf life of 10-12 years. This is what I've read but not experienced personally so far. I have many burned music cds for the car that I've had for about 10 years and no deterioration yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonbart Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 digital is digital, the data is either there or it ain't, unless you have gone from PCM/WAV to a lossy format, like MP3, well then some of the data/music ain't there. So if you are playing an MP3 on a CD vs a full WAV file on a CD well that can sound worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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