robc1976 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Are Bipoles good surrounds or overrated?I have been reading for the past 3 hours about the debate against bipole/dipole/monople....wich are better in your opinion. I just bought a pair of these and if they are inferior I will take them back....don't want a week spot in my system. My system is used for movies and gaming primarly. Bipoles I got are RS-52II Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robc1976 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 Lot of people where saying that with the DTS discrete channels that bipoles are inferior. I listen to a LOT of DTS material. I do like hearing sounds on the left and right with a lot of content...bullets, machine guns ECT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Youthman Posted June 28, 2011 Moderators Share Posted June 28, 2011 You were unhappy with the RS-52ii's? I love mine. Pushing 220 watts to them. They rock with my system and easily keep up with my RF-83's and RC-64. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Youthman Posted June 28, 2011 Moderators Share Posted June 28, 2011 Are Bipoles good surrounds or overrated? I believe they are ideal for surrounds. They provide a much more dispersed, non-directional sound for effects (bullets, ricochet, flyby etc). Did you have them mounted on the side walls, a few degrees behind your listening position and 2 - 3 feet above your head? THX Placement Recommendations for 5.1 THX Recommendations for 7.1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornfedksboy Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Lot of people where saying that with the DTS discrete channels that bipoles are inferior. I listen to a LOT of DTS material. I do like hearing sounds on the left and right with a lot of content...bullets, machine guns ECT It's a matter of opinion. There is no wrong way to do it but I'll lay out my experiences: My 5.1 system in the living room uses bookshelves (monopole). Any rear or side content is directly radiated from the speaker to the listener. If a jet flies over head or a machine gun is fired from the rear, the sound comes unarguably from my two speakers and can be immediately located to both speakers. If a gun is fired from the left or a plate crashes in the movies "kitchen" off screen, that gun and the bullets falling to the ground, or that plate are most definately now located in the exact same place as my left channel speaker. There is no mistaking it and I often turn my head to look at the speaker as I feel like it occurred right next to me. It's a cool experience. My 5.1 theater in the basement uses the RF-52 IIs. I have no rear channels hooked up. Now when a jet flies overhead or a gun is fired from the rear, it actually feels like the action is behind me. The sound fills the room and slowly envelopes from the rear to over my head and finally onto the screen. This IS a theater experience and it cannot be substitued by a bookshelf. When a machine gun or plate crashes stage left rear, that sound is still left rear, but it is more general, within 1-10 foot of my speaker depending on the type of sound it is. For instance, the machine gun fired from the left feels like it's being fired right next to me, but the "tinging" of the cartriges hitting the ground sounds as if it is occurring close to the speaker. This is a more enveloped 3-dimensional sound. I have no need to look at the speaker when the dish crashes because all of the sound is completely enveloped in the movie, which I feel like I am sitting in the middle of. Now, as you add more discrete channel speakers, the locality becomes less noticeable as multiple channels are interpreting the signal to varying degrees. You may not have as much locality based on a 9 channel system. If I were you, I would move my front wides to the rear and keep the RS-52s. The RS-52s are grand speakers that basically act as two discrete channels. They have the "Wide-dispersion Technology" which creates the sound enveolope of the theater, but accurately reproduce the high pitch sound in a very localized way. Hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robc1976 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 Are Bipoles good surrounds or overrated? I believe they are ideal for surrounds. They provide a much more dispersed, non-directional sound for effects (bullets, ricochet, flyby etc). Did you have them mounted on the side walls, a few degrees behind your listening position and 2 - 3 feet above your head? THX Placement Recommendations for 5.1 THX Recommendations for 7.1 I have them about 3.5 Ft behind my listening position. I have them on a ball mount swiveled towards the listening position not flat on the wall. I am think that maybe they need to be flat on the wall to dispense the sound better. I did notice that with the one side towards my listening position the sound will not bounce of my front wall and hit MLP. Here is how they are positioned: Figure 1: (Current placement) Position of RS-52II speakers: Figure 2: (Alternate placement) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage_Head Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Put them by the support beam flush on the wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ave Bona Cornwall Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Put them by the support beam flush on the wall.[Y]And, from that, you should be able to hear what Cornfed is talking about...that is how they are designed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robc1976 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 Put them by the support beam flush on the wall.If I do that on the otherside they will go up the stairs LOL!! close as I can put them is about 1-2 feet behind me. I may iuse A ned pair of RB-61II instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robc1976 Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 I went with RB-61II for surrounds about 2 feet above MLP and 1 1/2 feet behind MLP. I also upgraded my wides to RF-82II so I have a total of 4 up front and boy is that some good sound! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluBitRates Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 You should consider a 5 channel amp for the 4 82s and the rc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage_Head Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Put them by the support beam flush on the wall.If I do that on the otherside they will go up the stairs LOL!! close as I can put them is about 1-2 feet behind me. I may iuse A ned pair of RB-61II instead. Then I would go with floor stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted June 30, 2011 Moderators Share Posted June 30, 2011 When bipoles first came out alot of people said they didn't like the way they put out sound in two directions, myself especially with 5.1 I did like it. I thought it did a better job of giving a more surround feeling to the rear. Don't have any now but it's because we switched all the speakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robc1976 Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 You should consider a 5 channel amp for the 4 82s and the rcI am actually reseaching this...never have I used a external amp. Am I getting this correct:1. You would basically use the reciever for the signal? Basically my fronts,wides,center would be hooked up via pre-out with audio cables to the external amp and my heights & surrounds would still be plugged into the reciever? Basically the reciever is just used for signals to those channels? 2. This may be a dumb question...Will Audyssey still work with the external amp and will I still get the decoding (DTS,Dolby Ect)? How would the Audyssey settings be transferred to the other amp 3. I was thinking 200-250 watts per channel X 5...any suggestions on amps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robc1976 Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 You should consider a 5 channel amp for the 4 82s and the rcI was thinking about this one:http://emotiva.com/xpa5.shtm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluBitRates Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 A little more power than the rc-62ii needs but overpowering good speakers is just fine. That is a great amp to buy. Nothing like getting a new amp with a warranty. I just got a upa-5 and love the build quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornfedksboy Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I've shopped all around and there just isn't anything close to an Emotiva amp for the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage_Head Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I've shopped all around and there just isn't anything close to an Emotiva amp for the price. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robc1976 Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 A little more power than the rc-62ii needs but overpowering good speakers is just fine. That is a great amp to buy. Nothing like getting a new amp with a warranty. I just got a upa-5 and love the build quality. I am upgradiing to a RC64II this week. I have always set the crossovers to 80- Htz on Audyssey and set speakers to small...is this waht you guys suggest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robc1976 Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 I've shopped all around and there just isn't anything close to an Emotiva amp for the price. I will be ordering one of thes if I still get all the decoding and Audyssey still works when using it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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