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Klipsch Woofer Thiele/Small Parameters v2.1

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Last updated v.2.1 - Feb 14, 2016 - 2:53PM EST
 
This is a database of klipsch driver Thiele/Small specifications for use in WinISD. As of this post, the current attached zip file contains the following .wdr files. You can also click on the driver link to display the T/S specs for each driver.

 

Klipsch K-1089-AV.wdr  :emotion-21: Added in v.2.1
 

If you have the TS specifications on any of the Klipsch woofers, please share them here. I will be updating a WinISD database and attaching it to this post. I will also be editing this post to include pointers to pages much like the Klipsch Crossovers thread.

 

Please keep new posts related to this thread topic.

 

 

 

Unzip the included files into your

"This PC > Documents > WinISD > drivers" folder to use them in WinISD

 

PS: I have also included my collection of Dayton Audio drivers in the Dayton Drivers file below. It goes in the same place as the Klipsch files.

Dayton Drivers.zip

Klipsch WinISD Driver Database v2.1.zip

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I love documented technical info... even if I don't completely understand it :P

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when I put K-33 in a Cornwall box ported, WinISD doesn't show f3 of 30 or 32hz! how come?

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k33 in a CW is like minus 5db at 38-39 Hz

cornwall

Frequency Response: 38Hz-20kHz(+-)5dB SENSITIVITY: 98.5dB @ 1watt/1meter POWER HANDLING: 105 watts maximum continuous (1000 watts peak) NOMINAL IMPEDANCE: 8 ohms TWEETER: K-77-M 1" (2.54cm) Phenolic diaphragm compression driver HIGH FREQUENCY HORN: 90(o)x40(o) Exponential Horn MIDRANGE: K-55-V 2" (5.08cm) Phenolic diaphragm compression driver MID FREQUENCY HORN: 90(o)x40(o) Exponential Horn WOOFER: K-33 15" (38.1cm) Fiber-composite cone ENCLOSURE MATERIAL: Birch Plywood or Veneered Lumbercore ENCLOSURE TYPE: Bass reflex via front-mounted port DIMENSIONS: 35.75" x 25.5" x 15.5" WEIGHT: 108 lbs. FINISHES: Walnut, Rose, Teak Oil, Oak, Cherry Lacquer, Natural, Mahogany, Maple, Raw, Black Birch Built From: 1959 BUILT UNTIL:

1985

Cornwall ll

Frequency Response: 38Hz-20kHz3dB SENSITIVITY: 101dB @ 1watt/1meter POWER HANDLING: 100 watts maximum continuous (1000 watts peak) NOMINAL IMPEDANCE: 8 ohms TWEETER: K-79-K 1" (2.54cm) Polymer diaphragm compression driver HIGH FREQUENCY HORN: 90x40 Exponential Horn MIDRANGE: K-57-K 1.5" (3.81cm) Phenolic diaphragm compression driver MID FREQUENCY HORN: 90x40 Exponential Horn WOOFER: K-34-E 15" (38.1cm) Fiber-composite cone ENCLOSURE MATERIAL: Medium density fiberboard construction (MDF) ENCLOSURE TYPE: Bass reflex via front-mounted port DIMENSIONS: 35.75" (90.8cm) x 25.25" (64.1cm) x 15.5" (39.4cm) WEIGHT: 90 lbs. (40.9kg) FINISHES: Raw Birch, Walnut Oil, Walnut Lacquer, Oak Oil, Oak Lacquer, Finished Black Built From: 1986 BUILT UNTIL: 1990
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Klipsch claims 34Hz-20Khz! I didn't know they mean -5db! it's routine that the frequency response is stated at +-3db.

for now on whetever speaker I build, I'll say they are 20hz-20khz and nobody would find out that I meant 20hz -25db! :D

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Ha you are right. In mild defense of the Cornwall the do an ok job of pounding hard down to where they can. They are likely ok down to 45Hz or so before they start to roll. If you want the lowest possible response in the smallest possible cabinet volume you will need to use a driver with a Qts of 0.33 or so that's very close to the ideal.

Sorry about the paragraphs of info, I tried to cut and paste the lists from the Klipsch page but the lists got turned into one long paragraph. Must have something to do with the site here I don't know. If you search at the Klipsch forum you can find info on most all their speakers.. Best regards Moray James.

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"when I put K-33 in a Cornwall box ported, WinISD doesn't show f3 of 30 or 32hz! how come?"

The data on the K33E/K34E is wrong.

The K33E (15162) when inputted into BassBox v6.0 ouputs a Cornwall.

The classic Cornwall was specified as being ±5dB down to 38hz.

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I have updated data on the K-33 to show square and round magnet specs. The K-33/34 had the wrong xmax, and that has been corrected.

You can download the current versions of winisd files, but make sure you delete the original Klipsch K-33-E.wdr from your WinISD directory if it exists there. The file names are now Klipsch K-33-E-square.wdr and Klipsch K-33-E-round.wdr

I have added Bob Crites' CW1526 woofer (K-33 replacement) from data he provided in another post.

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No 12" k28's...? for the h3

That would be a good one to have. Anybody?

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If you have the TS specifications on any of the Klipsch woofers, please share them here. I will be updating a WinISD database and attaching it to this post. I will also be editing this post to include pointers to pages much like the Klipsch Crossovers thread.

i recently measured two woofers and averaged them out. I also designed a "Super Heresy" based on a ported Heresy 1 cabinet, K-700, modified "E" network, and an amazing new tweeter using a pair of these. See my "Heretical Heresy" thread.

Here are the T/S paramters of a K-42-KP woofer rated at 8 ohms impedance.

Fs=48.8 Hz.

Qms=2.926

Vas=3.09 cu. ft.(87.57 Liters).

n(o)=2.915%

Mms=46.2 Grams

Re=5.4 ohms

Qes=.333

SPL=96.75 db 1W/1Meter

Cms=.23 mm/N

Qts=.3

Le=.53 mH

BL=15.17

Looks a lot like an Eminence Delta Pro 12A

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Klipsch claims 34Hz-20Khz! I didn't know they mean -5db! it's routine that the frequency response is stated at +-3db.

for now on whetever speaker I build, I'll say they are 20hz-20khz and nobody would find out that I meant 20hz -25db! :D

And a new MARKETING man is born. LOL.

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Can we just get pure text versions of this data? I can't read the application specific stuff.

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Claude,

If you open the .wdr file in wordpad or the like, you get the data. As an example, here is what is inside the file called "Klipsch K-24-K.wdr" with my notes "in blue" for conversion:

[Driver]
Brand=Klipsch
Model=K-24-K
Manufacturer=Klipsch
ProvidedBy=Craig
Comment=
DateAdded=20140503
DateModified=20140503
Qts=0.323240653940842 [0.323 in WinISD]
Znom=8 [same in WinISD]
Fs=23.9935104439174 [23.99Hz in WinISD]
Pe=100 [same in WinISD - watts]
SPL=92.5151692458408 [92.52 in WinISD]
Re=5.3 [same in WinISD - ohm]
Le=0
fLe=0
KLe=0
BL=12 [same in WinISD - Tm]
Xmax=0.004 [4.0mm in WinISD - metershere]
Cms=0.000704 [0.7040 mm/N in WinISD - m/N here]
Qms=4.76 [4.760 in WinISD]
Qes=0.346790391983973 [.0347 in WinISD]
Rms=1.97945998278469 [1.97946 in WinISD - Ns/m]
Mms=0.0625 [62.5g in WinISD - Kg here]
Sd=0.053 [530 cm2 in WinISD - m2 here]
Vas=0.280523369279998 [280.52 l in WinISD - Kl here
Dia=0
Vd=0.000212 [.0002 in WinISD - m^3]
no=0.0108660044565782 [1.0866% in WinISD - decimal here]
Dd=0.259772392434153 [259.8mm in WinISD - m here]
EBP=69.187356393156 [69.19Hz in WinISD]
numVC=1 [same in WinISD]
Hc=0
Hg=0
SPLmax=109.515169245841 [109.52dB in WinISD]
SPLmaxLF=87.091197798581 [87.09dB in WinISD]
USPL=94.3081392603188 [94.31dB in WinISD]
alfaVC=0
Rt=0
Ct=0
gamma=192 [192.00000 N/(A*kg) in WinISD]
Rme=27.1698113207547 [27.16981 Ns/m in WinISD]
Mpow=5.21246691315683 [5.21247 N/sqrt(W) in WinISD]
Mcost=0
Gloss=0.10787315 [10.7873% in WinISD - decimal here]
VCCon=1 [refers to voice coil connection ser=?/par=1]
c=343.68275625794 [343.68 m/s in WinISD]
roo=1.20096171470853 [1.20096 kg/m^3 in WinISD]
Thick=0
Depth=0
MagDepth=0
Magnet=0
Basket=0
Outer=0
Vcd=0
DVol=0
ParState=CCECENNNEENEECCCEECCNCCENNCCCNNNCCCCNCNNNNNNNNNCC [no idea]
I'm not sure if this answers your question, but I hope it helps.

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If anybody has a Klipsch woofer and the tools to measure the T/S, please post your specs. If there is anybody from Klipsch who would like to share TS specs for any driver past or present, that information would be welcomed!  Thanks

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I'm not sure why the T/S parameters are so coveted for our stuff. I mean if you want to create your own speakers, then pick a driver that fits your needs for your specific project. Anything you buy from us was spec'd for a specific job most of the time, not to mention it cost a penny or 2.

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Jay,

 

I understand why Klipsch would be guarded. It isn't covetous it's more about finding replacement drivers for existing enclosures where replacements are no longer sold by Klipsch. Nobody would expect the T/S params for current products. Some people have Klipsch drivers laying around and they would like to re-purpose them. I have a K22, a K43, a square mag K33 and a round mag K33 just shelved. I think of them as backups to be fair, but if I were to use them in another enclosure, it would be nice to have an idea of how they would work in a home-made enclosure. The only way to do that is with the math that those T/S specs can give.

 

I love Klipsch drivers. You show me any other driver that is as good as new 30 years after it was made. Intelligent engineering is what that's about. Saying BS to planned obsolescence is what that's about. Maybe coveted isn't so wrong after all.

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Does anybody have specs on some of the more common Frazier speakers? I would love to add them to the lists here.

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