Funkster! Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 I currently have a 7.1.4 system in my HT room: Klipsch R-7 ll's mains Klipsch RT -12D sub Klipsch RC-64 ll center Klipsch RS-62's surrounds Klipsch R5650 S-ll's rear surrounds Klipsch R5650 S-ll's overheads (4) My room is 12x21 ft and I am entertaining selling my Klipsch sub and adding Jl Audio Fathom 113's. Can I get some opinions on this? Would they be to much for the room? Any feedback would be appreciated. My system includes: JVC56U Projector Oppo 103 D Blue Ray Player Onkyo TX NR 3030 Stewart StudioTek G130 120 inch screen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 (edited) IMO, no contest. Single F113 will trump RT-12d in every contest. If you can swing for two with the $$$'s, then you will have a serious HT rig that would be hard to beat. Nothing against the RT-12d(I have dual RT-10d's), but JL Audio is on a completely different level. One thing I would suggest you purchase being that your Onkyo is responsible for driving 9 speakers, is an outboard multichannel amp. A 3-channel or 5-channel would be plenty. Maybe think of selling the RT and getting a single F113 and an amp and add another F113 later if you think you "need" one. Others on the forum may suggest a DIY sub over the JL Audio for much better price/performance ratio and though I may agree, your question was pretty specific between the RT-12d and F113 so I wanted to keep it on topic(except for the amp suggestion ). Bill Edited April 10, 2016 by willland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkster! Posted April 10, 2016 Author Share Posted April 10, 2016 I have an RT-10D in my TV room and I am happy with its performance even though my wife complains about it. My HT room is sound proofed so the sub(s) can "stretch their legs" and I won't catch any heat. Thanks for your input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JL Sargent Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Isn't the JL Fathom a $3K sub? It better beat a 12D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkster! Posted April 10, 2016 Author Share Posted April 10, 2016 Yeah, the Fathom 113 is somewhere north of 4K but "in the day" the 12D was also a hunk of change. I think I am ready to ratchet things up in my HT room and I'll make the switch to the JL sub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 dear god please do not spend 4 grand on a jl audio sub. i have owned a svs pb-13 ultra and head a jl fathom 113 in the same room and tell you that the svs will trump it in every aspect except if you cross very high like 100hz or something. if you really want to take your home theater to a new level skip the WAY overpriced JL audio stuff and look into JTR, Seaton Sound, Or deep sea sound. these are three to buy right now. of course as bill mentioned diy is king, however after recommending it to so many people then answering countless questions and seeing how frustrating it can be for some i realize its not for everyone. if i ever payed for a commercial available subwoofer again it would be from one of those three companies. regardless of price. in fact if you are dead set on spending 4 grand per sub i say get you two of them deep sea sound 24" subs and call it a day. you will rise to the top in the subwoofer realm. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Single F113 will trump RT-12d in every contest. If you can swing for two with the $$$'s, then you will have a serious HT rig that would be hard to beat. bill have you ever got to hear any of the big subs from jtr, seaton, or deep sea? there is so much more stuff out there that will smoke the jl stuff. if not i hope you get to hear and experience them one day. they truly are something special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 http://www.deepseasound.com/products/mariana-24sr-24-subwoofer http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/post/product-listing-availability-status-and-pricing-3366417 http://jtrspeakers.com like i said these are all serious subwoofers. MUCH more serious than the JL and priced much more reasonable for what you get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 I like that 24. Kinda like big rims, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkster! Posted April 10, 2016 Author Share Posted April 10, 2016 Yeah, although the term "the bigger the cushion, the better the pushin" didn't originate in the audio/visual world...I am sure there is some relevance to those bad boys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Scrappy is correct on the performance of those subs like JTR, Seaton and Deep Sea being better bang for your buck. It comes down to space and how many subs can reasonably fit in the room. The less subs that can go into a room, the greater the need for a few heavy hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkster! Posted April 10, 2016 Author Share Posted April 10, 2016 That's one of my issues, available space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzydog Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 The longer you research, the more you'll realize that Scrappy is right. Do you really have the in-wall "r" series speakers on your ceiling or is that a typo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkster! Posted April 10, 2016 Author Share Posted April 10, 2016 Yeah, they're in the ceiling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 (edited) i have owned a svs pb-13 ultra and head a jl fathom 113 in the same room and tell you that the svs will trump it in every aspect except if you cross very high like 100hz or something. I don't doubt that at all. Look at the cabinet size difference and weight. It should dig deeper and louder. PB13U = 22.5"x20.5"x28.0" (HxWxD), 155lbs F113 = 19.25"x 16.5"x 19.25" (HxWxD), 135lbs As we have said, "bang for the buck" is king but "bang for the size" ain't so bad either. Bill Edited April 10, 2016 by willland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 bill have you ever got to hear any of the big subs from jtr, seaton, or deep sea? I have not. there is so much more stuff out there that will smoke the jl stuff. When you say "smoke" you mean in volume and extension right or much better musicality? if not i hope you get to hear and experience them one day. they truly are something special. I hope to someday in the near future. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 bill have you ever got to hear any of the big subs from jtr, seaton, or deep sea? I have not. there is so much more stuff out there that will smoke the jl stuff. When you say "smoke" you mean in volume and extension right or much better musicality? if not i hope you get to hear and experience them one day. they truly are something special. I hope to someday in the near future. Bill well bill you own some pretty dang good subs right now. So I say it's safe to say you and I both know a JL 113 is gonna be a musical subwoofer. Up there with the best of them. But when it comes to home theater use, a sub with tons more headroom, visceral impact, and ability to pressurize a room is gonna go to a bigger box, bigger woofer, and bigger amp every single time. Long as we are talking quality subs. All of which I mentioned are. So in terms of digging down into stuff that will shake The house and having plenty of headroom to spare the big subs will do it with ease. And that's what I mean when I say smoke. To me it's all about digging deep and headroom. Cause all that adds up to super clean distortion free bass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 So in terms of digging down into stuff that will shake The house and having plenty of headroom to spare the big subs will do it with ease. And that's what I mean when I say smoke. To me it's all about digging deep and headroom. Cause all that adds up to super clean distortion free bass All very good points. In my family room I don't ever expect to have any of the big boys you mention but if I ever move to a home with a dedicated space for HT, it just might happen that a pair or more 18's will be right in there shaking the foundation. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JL Sargent Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Oh funny! My wife just walked by and saw the 24" sub picture above. She said, "oh my, that would rattle the windows!" I asked her if we needed one like that. She said, "If that makes you happy." Yeah, I married good. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkster! Posted April 11, 2016 Author Share Posted April 11, 2016 My new sub will have to have a smaller footprint than the one I have now, especially if I want to add a second so there are some realities I won't be able to experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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