How much YouTube do you watch?

[Zen Traveler]

On 9/21/2023 at 10:00 AM, RealMarkDeneen said:

And are cult leaders any different than government officials?

Yes. Unless one gets elected. 

On 9/21/2023 at 10:00 AM, RealMarkDeneen said:

Why should the population be limited to only listening to one kind of cult leader? 

That ain't happenin' in the good ol' USA! We can also listen to the more sensible people if we choose. 

[Zen Traveler]

One of the things that really interests me is Biblical Scholarship on YouTube. This dropped yesterday and REALLY sheds light where the Scrolls and Jesus meet. There are alot of debates between YouTubers in this catagory, but the Scholarship of Dr Tabor on this material is informative although the actual channel may no be for everyone. {Content is not religious, but historical in nature.}

 

 

[Zen Traveler]

I have been fortunate enough to hike this region of the Swiss Alps on several occasions. I hiked from Matten to Schynige Platte in winter with a guide on his off time when the railway was closed (Great story! 😎) The views and 12 hour hike was a major moment in my life and seeing it on a Summer's day in 4k is quite the Treat! 

 

[Bubo]

On 9/22/2023 at 1:02 PM, oldtimer said:

FYI for general knowledge:

 

Why does the New York Times prosper while Gannett struggles? Here are four reasons - Poynter

 

(I have no dog in this hunt.  I am not a subscriber, nor a reader, nor a stockholder.)

 

 

According to this article Trump in 2016 saved the NYT

were in decline with little digital traction before 2016.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-the-new-york-times-broke-journalism/

[billybob]

Well, lasted this long @Zen Traveler

[Bubo]

On 9/22/2023 at 12:42 PM, oldtimer said:

Percentage of persons 14 years old and over who were illiterate (unable to read or write in any language), by race and nativity: 1870 to 1979

Year	Total	White			Black and other
		Total	Native	Foreign-born
1870	20.0	11.5	–	–	79.9
1880	17.0	9.4	8.7	12.0	70.0
1890	13.3	7.7	6.2	13.1	56.8
1900	10.7	6.2	4.6	12.9	44.5
1910	7.7	5.0	3.0	12.7	30.5
1920	6.0	4.0	2.0	13.1	23.0
1930	4.3	3.0	1.6	10.8	16.4
1940	2.9	2.0	1.1	9.0	11.5
1947	2.7	1.8	–	–	11.0
1950	3.2	–	–	–	–
1952	2.5	1.8	–	–	10.2
1959	2.2	1.6	–	–	7.5
1969	1.0	0.7	–	–	3.6 *
1979	0.6	0.4	–	–	1.6

 

Maybe your facts are different?  By 1870 public education was widespread in the US, and it would have been sooner if people had listened to Thomas Jefferson.

"Free" Education and Literacy

01/28/2004Barry Dean Simpson

excerpt, article worth a read.....

 

The situation in America roughly parallels that in England. In 1650, male literacy in America was 60%. Between 1800 and 1840, literacy in the Northern States increased from 75% to 90%, and in Southern States from 60% to 81%. These increases transpired before the famous Common School Movement led by Horace Mann caught steam. Massachusetts had reached a level of 98% literacy in 1850. This occurred before the state's compulsory education law of 1852. Senator Edward Kennedy's office released a paper in the 1980s stating that literacy in Massachusetts was only 91%.7

 

While some people might wonder exactly what literacy entailed during the early Nineteenth Century, anecdotal evidence points to a highly educated and refined populace. In his book Separating School and State, Sheldon Richman gives a variety of examples of the sophisticated nature of America's readers.

 

Thomas Paine's Common Sense sold 120,000 copies to a population of three million—the equivalent of ten million copies in the 1990s. Noah Webster's Spelling Bee sold five million copies to a population of less than twenty million in 1818. Walter Scott's novels sold the same number between 1813 and 1823—the equivalent of sixty million copies in the 1990s. James Fenimore Cooper's The Last of the Mohicans also sold millions of copies. Scott and Cooper are certainly not written on today's fourth-grade level.

 

Travelers to America during the period such as Alexis de Tocqueville and Pierre du Pont were amazed at the education of Americans.8 The reading public of Victorian England is so famous that numerous books and college literature courses are devoted to the subject. In fact, England eventually passed a paper tax to quell a public the leaders felt was too smart.

 

The reason behind the successes of private, fee-based systems should be elementary to any student of economics: Private businesses are consumer oriented. The feedback of profit and loss tells an entrepreneur when they satisfy, or fail to satisfy, the needs of consumers.

https://mises.org/library/free-education-and-literacy#:~:text=Between 1800 and 1840%2C literacy in the Northern,before the state's compulsory education law of 1852.

[Bubo]

The Myth that Americans Were Poorly Educated before Mass Government Schooling Early America had widespread literacy and a vibrant culture of learning.

Wednesday, April 29, 2020

Lawrence W. Reed

 

In 1983, Robert A. Peterson’s "Education in Colonial America" revealed some stunning facts and figures. “The Federalist Papers, which are seldom read or understood today even in our universities,” explains Peterson, “were written for and read by the common man. Literacy rates were as high or higher than they are today.” Incredibly, “A study conducted in 1800 by DuPont de Nemours revealed that only four in a thousand Americans were unable to read and write legibly” [emphasis mine].

https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-that-americans-were-poorly-educated-before-mass-government-schooling/

[Bubo]

In 1840, the literacy rate in Massachusetts was 99%. (Table 14.1, Page 301, Civil War America, 1850 To 1875)

[billybob]

Familiar with James Tabors YouTube's. Have been reading his various and one of YTs.

To dismiss Dr. Scott out of hand, a mistake.

[RealMarkDeneen]

23 hours ago, Zen Traveler said:

Otoh, Covid-19 hit us stealthily and needed immediate Government response because our Emergency Rooms were projected (and did) get overrun by a contagious virus. No room for all the misinformation being spread on Social Media and elsewhere.

 

What you call "misinformation" was actually "life-saving information." And, by censoring it and, even worse, taking administrative action to prevent its application, tens of thousands of Americans died needlessly on hospital respirators.

 

 

[Bubo]

On 9/20/2023 at 7:23 PM, Jeff Matthews said:

It is kind of interesting because YT and other social media can be useful for cult leaders to convince people to drink Kool Aid.  

 

There are myriad claims out there, like horse deworming medicine curing cancer, etc.  I haven't checked, but it wouldn't surprise me to find advocates for drinking Mercury.

 

Should large companies be required to host such people?

My understanding of the way congress set it up

was that Internet bulletin boards aka unedited free speech were immune from suits brought because the claims were false or misleading, 230.

 

Newspapers and others that edit the content do not have the protections of sec. 230 and can be sued for false or misleading claims.

 

What has happened is that the formerly free speech boards protected by 230, are now edited but for some reason still have the protections of 230.

 

Flat earth, lizard people, UFOs when  it's time to distract the public, non stop inversions from official spokesmen and officials.

 

I can take it. All of it.

 

 

 

 

[oldtimer]

22 minutes ago, Bubo said:

In 1840, the literacy rate in Massachusetts was 99%. (Table 14.1, Page 301, Civil War America, 1850 To 1875)

Your posts are all well and good, but consider the dates, and who was included, and who was not.  Then consider the progress made after masses of people were free to pursue an education instead of it being against the law to teach them.  The chart I quoted takes into account these differences.  Widespread public education, a dream of Jefferson's, along with post war economic factors allowed for the rise of a solid middle class and far more inclusive than before.

Also consider the immigration of multitudes of poor people after the civil war and well into the 20th century.

[RealMarkDeneen]

22 minutes ago, Bubo said:

Private businesses are consumer oriented.

 

Well, not really. Unless by "oriented," you mean that they understand their revenue will be extracted from consumers. What all private enterprise is "oriented toward" is making a profit. In the business of "educating children," the goal is to get kids to pass government-constructed "standard tests" as profitably as possible. That's a far different goal than "providing the most useful and productive education to children." Most of what is referred to as 'education' is just indoctrination to the desired kind of citizenship the system thrives on. That has nothing to do with properly educating a human being.

[Bubo]

8 minutes ago, oldtimer said:

Your posts are all well and good, but consider the dates, and who was included, and who was not.  Then consider the progress made after masses of people were free to pursue an education instead of it being against the law to teach them.  The chart I quoted takes into account these differences.  Widespread public education, a dream of Jefferson's, along with post war economic factors allowed for the rise of a solid middle class and far more inclusive than before.

 

[Bubo]

9 minutes ago, RealMarkDeneen said:

 

Well, not really. Unless by "oriented," you mean that they understand their revenue will be extracted from consumers. What all private enterprise is "oriented toward" is making a profit. In the business of "educating children," the goal is to get kids to pass government-constructed "standard tests" as profitably as possible. That's a far different goal than "providing the most useful and productive education to children." Most of what is referred to as 'education' is just indoctrination to the desired kind of citizenship the system thrives on. That has nothing to do with properly educating a human being.

Govt has totally failed at education, unless the goals were something other than literacy, math and science etc.

 

I've given it a great deal of thought, govt needs to be completely removed from every aspect of education, including measurement and funding.

 

American Central Planning is a failure just like it's role model the USSR, actually the USSR did a better job on education.

 

As to profit, govt is so good at losing money that the US is now bankrupt, and has fallen to printing and borrowing to sustain the unsustainable losses from corruption, incompetence, over reach and mismanagement. $31 T in debt more than $200T unfunded liabilities. The operating deficit is now entering the hockey stick phase of growth.

 

Martin Armstrong believes inflation has been running in the range of 25% since 2020. I believe Williams aka Shadowstats has it near 18%.

 

The dollar devalued by 99% since 1913, print baby print.

[Zen Traveler]

28 minutes ago, Bubo said:

Govt has totally failed at education, unless the goals were something other than literacy, math and science etc.

I gotta admit this would be a good topic to cover in another thread and agree it could be better.

 

30 minutes ago, Bubo said:

I've given it a great deal of thought, govt needs to be completely removed from every aspect of education, including measurement and funding.

I disagree and feel this is where it would get overtly political and I want to keep the thread going.

[Zen Traveler]

1 hour ago, RealMarkDeneen said:

 

What you call "misinformation" was actually "life-saving information." And, by censoring it and, even worse, taking administrative action to prevent its application, tens of thousands of Americans died needlessly on hospital respirators.

 

 

No. What I called misinformation was conspiracy theories and faulty medical advice outside of what Government Pandemic experts were saying.  Did some things get wrongly censored? Sure, but alot more crap was scrubbed which I did see coming across my Facebook screen and mirrored on the Klipsch Forum. THAT is why it became a forbidden subject here. 

[Jeff Matthews]

2 hours ago, Bubo said:

Thomas Paine's Common Sense sold 120,000 copies to a population of three million—the equivalent of ten million copies in the 1990s. Noah Webster's Spelling Bee sold five million copies to a population of less than twenty million in 1818. Walter Scott's novels sold the same number between 1813 and 1823—the equivalent of sixty million copies in the 1990s. James Fenimore Cooper's The Last of the Mohicans also sold millions of copies.

 

4.9 billion views:

 

 

[RealMarkDeneen]

1 hour ago, Zen Traveler said: No. What I called misinformation was conspiracy theories and faulty medical advice outside of what Government Pandemic experts were saying.  Did some things get wrongly censored? Sure, but alot more crap was scrubbed which I did see coming across my Facebook screen and mirrored on the Klipsch Forum. THAT is why it became a forbidden subject here.
But in fact, the censorship I refer to regards the early treatment protocols developed by specialists in viral disease such as Peter McCullough and Robert Malone, Pierre Kory, and so many others worldwide. This has nothing whatsoever to do with "conspiracy theories on Facebook."   For the FDA to issue an Emergency Use Authorization" for a new drug, there can NOT BE an existing treatment for the disease in question. Since all focus was on a EUA for a new vaccine, it became imperative to shut down any and all currently available treatments for COVID-19. That included Ivermectin at the top of the list. Thus, all mention in any media - including medical journals - were censored, and doctors promoting it were censured, fired, blacklisted, and canceled from the medical establishment.   And, another area of massive censorship leading to more unnecessary deaths was The Great Barrington Declaration.   It's a gross error in scale to equate the censorship of these life-and-death issues - which caused tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths -  with silly junk on Facebook feeds.

 

 

[RealMarkDeneen]

35 minutes ago, Jeff Matthews said:

 

4.9 billion views:

 

 

4,900,000,001 views.