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SVS SB-16 with underground Jubilees


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I'm currently using a Parasound P6 preamp with a subwoofer output with built in crossover. I'm trying to change my setup to use my subwoofers settings to manage bass instead of my preamp. This will make demoing preamps without sub outs easier since we are thinking about upgrading. Jubilee bass bins go down to around 45hz. I currently have my SVS crossover set for 50hz with a slope of 6db. 

 

I'm really not certain what I'm doing. I've basically been taking measurements with REW and making changes. I've been trying to keep the frequency chart as flat as possible with trying to let the sub go as deep as possible before roll off. Any advice? 

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I'd set my sub/svs upper 'cutoff' lower... what kind of slope are you using for that xo point?

Also, The Xilica 4080 will do a three-way AND a sub.

Lower is going to have a more pleasing hand off to the Jubilee bass bin imho... as the two signals briefly 'Cross Over', they (hopefully) 'Sum' and if there is to much overlap, they will create a bump in output at that frequency range.

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19 hours ago, Schu said:

I'd set my sub/svs upper 'cutoff' lower... what kind of slope are you using for that xo point?

Also, The Xilica 4080 will do a three-way AND a sub.

Lower is going to have a more pleasing hand off to the Jubilee bass bin imho... as the two signals briefly 'Cross Over', they (hopefully) 'Sum' and if there is to much overlap, they will create a bump in output at that frequency range.

I'll play with the svs crossover some more. Everything I was reading about setting a sub crossover was to set it around 10hz higher than what the speakers can do.

 

As far as having the xilica handle the sub, I still don't really understand what I'm doing as far as settings, so I have been having someone help me with that. 

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1 hour ago, babadono said:

So your Jubes are 2 way with a Xilica 4080? If so use the Xilica to do all the crossover and PEQ to the sub. That should make it transparent and easy to swap input preamps except for level.

That could work for me, but I don't understand programming the xilica enough to do this.

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1 minute ago, babadono said:

You have XConsole SW? And a measurement microphone and REW?

Yes, I have a umic1 microphone and all the software, I just don't understand the programming. I can take measurements and import setting configs.

 

I've been having Chris A help me but he's been busy. I just started this subwoofer piece last week. 

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2 minutes ago, dtr20 said:

I just don't understand the programming

You mean using XConsole? It's a bit quirky but stick with it, you will get the hang of it. It is A LOT easier than using the front panel controls.

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2 minutes ago, babadono said:

You mean using XConsole? It's a bit quirky but stick with it, you will get the hang of it. It is A LOT easier than using the front panel controls.

I don't know enough about crossover settings to actually do it properly. 

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Xconsole is very daunting at first... you're not only learning a new software package, it forces you to look at how you listen to music and what effects SMALL changes in signal control can have on the overall sound... so you have to learn about sound reproduction (in terms of speaker settings) in addition, unless someone is feeding you settings.

 

it takes time to become proficient, but it's not an impossible task if you have some dedication and are semi-fluent in computer operations.

 

I've found the Xconsole to be a very powerful tool...

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On 1/21/2024 at 8:47 AM, dtr20 said:

Everything I was reading about setting a sub crossover was to set it around 10hz higher than what the speakers can do.

I think that is backwards...

you want each segment of your speaker setup to begin rolling off 'approximately' 10Hz sooner than the lowest frequency of the next segment...

 

for instance a subwoofer to a bass bin... the subwoofer would begin rolling off around 40Hz at its upper cutoff, and the Bass Bin would begin it's roll off around 50Hz at it's lower cutoff. set the roll off to 6db... but you can try 12db and 18db very easily to see if the slope is more or less to your liking. The reason you are doing this is because as the two signals cross over, they 'Sum' and cause a bump in response. if you aren't careful, you can cause yourself issues with unnecessary 'peaks' in frequency response at those XO points if they overlap by to much.

 

this of course is merely generality, your specific needs might be different.

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1 hour ago, Schu said:

Xconsole is very daunting at first... you're not only learning a new software package, it forces you to look at how you listen to music and what effects SMALL changes in signal control can have on the overall sound... so you have to learn about sound reproduction (in terms of speaker settings) in addition, unless someone is feeding you settings.

 

it takes time to become proficient, but it's not an impossible task if you have some dedication and are semi-fluent in computer operations.

 

I've found the Xconsole to be a very powerful tool...

Oh I completely agree that Xconsole is a very powerful tool, I just don't understand enough of it. I need someone to offer a class or 2, or 100 😕

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21 minutes ago, babadono said:

"the lesson lies in learning and by teaching I'll be taught. There's nothing hidden anywhere, it's all there to be sought"

 

 

Feed a man and he eats for a day... teach a man how to fish and he eats for a lifetime.

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