Woodog Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 ---------------- On 12/20/2003 1:15:26 AM NOSValves wrote: Hey just ship them here !! I'll even pay the shipping LOL !! ---------------- What a nice guy! forrest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo33 Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 Hey Deano, since when did you become a moderator of this forum? Stay out of others affair and mind your own business! . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stream Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 Craig, Maybe I misread his post in which he described his intentions. Sorry about that. But, I still maintain that a 5.1 signal "forcefully" mixed down to a stereo signal like I described would have a detrimental effect on the sound. When I watch DVD's in 5.1 sound on my 2-channel system, it sounds fairly hollow, as if some stuff has been cut out (which some stuff actually has). So, I just switch the audio output on the DVD player to 2-channel audio, and it sounds great again. As for the Scott moulding the sound with its pre-amp, I was unaware that the Scott would have such a large impression on the signal coming from the SS Rotel. I stand corrected about that. George, if I were you I'd follow Craig's advice. He's been doing this for a long time and he certainly knows how to make a vintage amp sound great again -Jesse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch RF7 Posted December 20, 2003 Author Share Posted December 20, 2003 ---------------- On 12/20/2003 1:29:19 AM stream wrote: Craig, Maybe I misread his post in which he described his intentions. Sorry about that. But, I still maintain that a 5.1 signal "forcefully" mixed down to a stereo signal like I described would have a detrimental effect on the sound. When I watch DVD's in 5.1 sound on my 2-channel system, it sounds fairly hollow, as if some stuff has been cut out (which some stuff actually has). So, I just switch the audio output on the DVD player to 2-channel audio, and it sounds great again. As for the Scott moulding the sound with its pre-amp, I was unaware that the Scott would have such a large impression on the signal coming from the SS Rotel. I stand corrected about that. George, if I were you I'd follow Craig's advice. He's been doing this for a long time and he certainly knows how to make a vintage amp sound great again -Jesse ---------------- Oh yeah, Craig has helped me out big time along with everyone else with thier advice and opinions. The thing that seals the deal for me is that Craig actually has the RF-3's setup with the Scott amp and a rotel reciever, now how much more exact can you get to my setup than that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stream Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 Oh wow, I totally missed his post at the top of this page where he said he would use 2-channel output on his DVD player. Sorry about that -Jesse ps - Although...what is Dolby 2.0? I thought the purpose of Dolby was 5.1 surround sound...? "I learn something new every day" isn't true for me...I learn about 20 new things every day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stream Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 True, you can't get much closer than that for comparative opinions. But, keep in mind your room sounds different than Craig's. Not THAT much different, but still different. -Jesse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubinhard Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 Where did I "moderate"? By telling you to spend more time critiquing your own posts? Whose business am I in? Lucky you, I won't be responding to anymore of your idiotic posts. Have a good evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 Stream, The 5.1 signal on a DVD is not even used if you go into the menu of the DVD and choose 2 Channel there are complete different mixes. Nothing is forced down ! You don't use the reciever to change a 5.1 to a 2 channel signal you change it at the source. Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 Deano did you catch my post above you up for a chat this late hour ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch RF7 Posted December 20, 2003 Author Share Posted December 20, 2003 ---------------- On 12/20/2003 1:34:29 AM stream wrote: Oh wow, I totally missed his post at the top of this page where he said he would use 2-channel output on his DVD player. Sorry about that -Jesse ps - Although...what is Dolby 2.0? I thought the purpose of Dolby was 5.1 surround sound...? "I learn something new every day" isn't true for me...I learn about 20 new things every day ---------------- 5.1 is six channels of discrete sound (3 front, 2 rear and .1 sub woofer). All signals are stored/processed separately. You can heve 6 different sounds from the 6 speakers. 2.0 is two channel (stereo) - however this is usually Dolby Surround encoded so that centre, and rear sound is encoded into the stereo signals (4 channels). When decoded using a Dolby Prologic (or equiv) decoder you will hear different sounds in the 3 centre speakers, with a fourth channel into both rear speakers (i.e mono surrounds). This "matrix" of channels tends to mix sounds intended for one speaker into another, so separation of sounds is not as defined as 5.1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch RF7 Posted December 20, 2003 Author Share Posted December 20, 2003 BTW, did i mention that this is a great site!! Man, I have never seen such a site that is so active and so passionate about thier audio equipment. I mean its nuts how fast threads just blow up with posts that are one after another, i really like fast paced sites like this. Glad i found this site and the Klipsch speakers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo33 Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 "Lucky you" Lucky me? Touchy tonight aren't you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubinhard Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 I'm gonna pass Craig. I'm eating, and then I'm going to crash. Give me a call at work tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stream Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 Craig, I was talking about if he were running 5.1 sound out of his DVD player into his Rotel, then into a 2-channel amp. In that case, it would be forced down to stereo, with less than great results. However, I found out he's using Dolby stereo output on his DVD player, so the point I was trying to make is now moot. George, Ah, no one has ever explained how 2-channel Dolby works. Thanks! I figured it would just combine the center and rear channels into the mains, but I never really knew for sure. -Jesse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piranha Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 ---------------- On 12/20/2003 1:15:01 AM Georg Friedrich Handel wrote: Oh, I will be tossing the RF-3's in the dumpster soon and getting me some RF-7's once i get a nice Scott amp picked out and ready to roll ---------------- Ever thought of going Heritage? i.e. the Cornwall, LaScala or Khorn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny dB Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 GFH I'm going to throw in my 2 cents here. Why not have 2 setups in the same room? I have a 299A rebuilt by Craig that I have hooked up to a pair of Khorns. Also wired to them is my HTR. So when I'm watching movies I can still enjoy dolby digital surround and when I feel like music the Scott is on. Just have to remember not to have both on at the same time!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubinhard Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 I stand corrected. Does that mean all circuits are "filters"? I had them on the phone once, and that is what they told me. That's what I get for not thinking for myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheltie dave Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 Georg, yhere are more tube options than you can shake a fist at, and there are many variations. Off the top of my head, you can get single-ended triode(SET), single-ended, mono, parallel mono, dual mono, push-pull, and too-much-money in your pockets tube You have people who swear by their output tubes - 2a3, 300b, military, 6bq5, 7591, el 34, el84, kt 88, kt66 etc, etc, etc. If you are like I was when I ventured into the realm of tube amplification, I wanted good, reliable sound with about 25-35 wpc, and for under $5-600 dollars, with flexibility for inputs. I did some reading on other websites, and people were quite enthusuastic about eico HF81s, Dynaco, Fischer and Pilot gear, and Scotts at this price break. They also love the "old" iron as compared to modern tube stuff. The HF81 fell out just because of the power output - 14 wpc is not want I love when listening to rock or heavy jazz. The sought after fischers are mainly monoblocks and look old, plus a fisher afficianado in St. Louis said they are tempermental, even after being rebuilt. The Pilots are great, a little bit rarer, and are up and coming as far as monetary value. The Scotts and Dynaco seem to be the workhorses of the bunch, and there are many more rebuilders that work on these two then all the others combined. If you want superior reliability and convenience in a single package, the Scott 299c or 299d, when massaged by Craig or Ryan, will be a great performer that will give you quality and you will not lose money if you ever sell it. If you want to run it with a preamp, the Dynaco ST70 gives you similar power as an amp only setup. I have both, run them every day, and love them. Sooner or later, you probably will be sampling other tube amp topologies, but these will give you a solid, quality power base close to what you are used to, with quality. We also have a tendancy to hold on to our vintage tube amps even when we do buy a new one, because they are good! Look on Audiogon or Ebay, and you will notice that most modern tube amps take a 40-50% hit when resold. Most rebuilt vintage tube amps of reputable name sell for 80-120% of what the seller has in them. Whatever you do, we think you can't do much wrong in listening to a tube setup - they do sound gorgeous with Klipsch gear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 Mark, Blending the Magic with the Science man you are great at it ! PS you still have not convinced me on the break-in issue though and no I do not want to argue the science with you for sure LOL !! I really don;t complete and utter loss very well he he Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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