BS Button Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 Seems like I'm settling in on taps 0, 3. What's that mean? How does this mid driver output (0,3) compare with an AL-3? Does this network have a bandpass? BS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lindsey Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 When Q-Man was over we compared the AL's, AA's, AL-3's and ALK's, and the ALK's blew everything away as far as we were concerned. My ALKs are set to 5/2 I believe with the K55-M's and Altec 511B's. YMMV... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Button Posted May 14, 2006 Author Share Posted May 14, 2006 Mike, As compared in what? Thanks BS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lindsey Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 Mike, As compared in what? Thanks BS My 86 La Scala's! [] Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Button Posted May 14, 2006 Author Share Posted May 14, 2006 K, So Mike, you liked less attenuation than taps 0,3? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Button Posted May 14, 2006 Author Share Posted May 14, 2006 Tweeters are very clean, what's happening? BS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Button Posted May 14, 2006 Author Share Posted May 14, 2006 Now that everything is settling in...ahem (no external noises) I can really say that these tweeters are singing with the ALK's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.4knee Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 Al's says his networks run the tweeters a little hotter, I agree. For me with the K77's it was a little much but with my CT 125's in my LS they I Love it. I run 5/2 in my LS with K55M's on 511B horns and CT 1225 tweeters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lindsey Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 I run 5/2 in my LS with K55M's on 511B horns and CT 1225 tweeters. Ditto!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3dzapper Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 5 & 2 with the Belles and K-55/K-500/K77m and 4 & X on the Khorns K-55/trachorns/2404H. The difference is more personal preference methinks. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 The Type AL-3s have a T4A autoformer instead ot the T2A. 0-3 would be about 3 dB below the normal setting for a K-55-M in ALK networks of 0-4 or 5-2 (closer to 2 dB from 5-2). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Button Posted May 14, 2006 Author Share Posted May 14, 2006 The Type AL-3s have a T4A autoformer instead ot the T2A. 0-3 would be about 3 dB below the normal setting for a K-55-M in ALK networks of 0-4 or 5-2 (closer to 2 dB from 5-2). So John, if I were to simulate the Loudness of a K55M driver in a 400 horn with an AL-3 network, then I would choose taps 0,4 as it's almost exactly 3db from setting 0,3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.4knee Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 I run 5/2 in my LS with K55M's on 511B horns and CT 1225 tweeters. Ditto!! WOW Kind freaky not only do we have the exact same La Scala set up but our post count was identical as well ooooooooooohhhhhh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodog Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 Tweeters are very clean, what's happening? BS I think you have to remember that the entire network is a significant improvement over the AL-3. It's not just a matter of being able to control the squawker volume, even though that is part of it. I'm not really able to do techno-speak (as you well know!) but with the ALK network I noticed a much cleaner, well defined sound. When I got home last night and put the AA's back into the khorns, they still sounded good, but it was sort of like looking at a scene through cellophane vs. clean glass. With the ALK's, instruments have more 'air' around them. The music becomes the focal point, not the speakers. Woo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Button Posted May 15, 2006 Author Share Posted May 15, 2006 Yes Woo, I finally got everything settled down a bit last night and had a chance to listen to them. Very clean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 With the LaScala, your choice of 3 and 0 doesn't surprise me, though I think after a couple of days you might find the 4 and X setting provides the best balance. I am surprised however that you haven't commented on the bass. Like I said to you on the phone, when the squawker gets dialed down just a bit the bass comes forward and the whole deal should sound much more rounded out. The tweeter: the cleanliness comes from a combination of the bandpass and the great parts. You now have a smooth transition to the tweeter and stable crossover points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Button Posted May 15, 2006 Author Share Posted May 15, 2006 Dean, I haven't really played too much bass laiden stuff, just yet. Had a (my) girls softball game tonight and to bed early, then on to St. Louis all week. I'll get to 'em good by this weekend. Initially, I have found a more balanced speaker and I can tell you this, for sure. Sounds much better at lower volumes. Seems like I always want to turn them up to get that thump, but I've got a little more thump without, now. BS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Button Posted May 21, 2006 Author Share Posted May 21, 2006 OK, I'm a freakin putz. Been listening to ALK's for...oh...on and off a hour or so here and there throughout the last week. And while I was not impressed with the bass response in the La Scala's...DoH!, it was likely due to the fact that only one woofer was connected to the networks...good grief!!! House is shakin and rattlin mighty good...now BS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymd Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 I listened to my Khorns with the 5/2 setting for about a month, all the time thinking they were set on 4/X (duh, forgot I switched). I switched back to 4/X and only notice the difference on certain recordings and when I play at very high or very low volume. Like Dean said, you really need to set them based on your volume preference. On most recordings at average listening levels it is very difficult for me to tell the difference. With classical music, it's very easy to tell, especially when violins come in. Acoustic jazz is more difficult and rock is somewhere in between, depending on the vocals. I have an MFSL copy of Zepp II on vinyl and no matter what setting, Plant's vocals on Heartbreaker seem distant which is why I thought I still had it on 4/X. Another possibility is I have no idea what I'm talking about. All I know is Dean's ALK Jr's sound much better than any networks I've previously tried and now there is no going back to standard A's or AA's. I tried. I've never heard Al's ALKs though. Maybe some day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3dzapper Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 Woofers? We don't need no stinkin woofers!!![] ROTFL!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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