mike stehr Posted December 29, 2001 Share Posted December 29, 2001 Good post Tom. A Forum gets to speak his views. If you have owned Klipsch and Klipsch is somewhat indirectly responsible for the existence of SVS, then that makes SVS a little part of the Klipsch family in a teeny way. I would see Tom as a full fledged member, in this case. And he has the right to voice his opinions as any other board member, unprofessional or not. SVS works over the Internet, You can't call and order,and I don't think they do magazine advertising. So these various Forums on the Net are SVS's bread and butter. And if these Forums frown on Advertising, wouldn't you think that SVS would have addressed the situations accordingly, before they jump on the Forum? Klipsch would have booted Tom long ago, if they felt he was 'selling' over the forums. Bummer Tom, My NAD 2100 power amp has a bad cap. My 16/46's are ornaments until I get a service manual and fix it. HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted December 29, 2001 Share Posted December 29, 2001 TV, Just dont leave this BB,your input is always welcome. I would not let any clown who does not agree discourage forum regulars who give good advice. Here is what most Klipsch owners with ears think Neutral G. TheEAR(s) Now theears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h2xmark Posted December 29, 2001 Share Posted December 29, 2001 i didn't think anyone would answer my question,all well ,mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVodhanel Posted December 29, 2001 Share Posted December 29, 2001 h2xmark, the stryke cube was measured by TN a while back,with TN's own 5 kilowatt Crown amp... Compared to our OLD 20-39cs/fidek 600w combo...the stryke was(max output) 20hz/+5 25hz/-5.8dB 31hz/-1.9dB 25-63hz average/-0.2dB. So our old dual 20-39/fidek package pretty much ran even with the Stryke cube and 5000w. A CS_Ultra package would have about the same clean output capabilities as approx 2-3 of these cubes I'm guessing.(since the CS_Ultras are a good 6-7dB more powerful than the current 20-39s...which are about 2-3dB more powerful than the old style ones TN measured way back when). Those stryke cubes are great woofage though...so it's nice to even be in the same ballpark considering it's mainly a *DIY* kit. TV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h2xmark Posted December 29, 2001 Share Posted December 29, 2001 hello TV thanks for the reply, i was curious about that matchup, because i know the stryke 15 ranks right up at the top with the other fine subs like SVS, Velo, Paradigm,Klipsch,sunfire,revel and a couple more thanks again mark P.S. happy new year to you ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eq_shadimar Posted December 29, 2001 Share Posted December 29, 2001 Neutral Guy - I think that the feelings of most of us here on the board can be summed up by the by the following comments from one of the moderators: quote: Originally posted by BobG: .....This sort of lively interchange is precisely why we at Klipsch like the bulletin board. Its a very open forum filled with great information for all who participate. Also, Klipsch is quite pleased that Brian Weatherhead found the RSW-15 to be a very musical sounding...... Tom is more than capable of defending himself but from my time here on this board I find that Tom doesn't push SVS. In fact there are many posts where he recommends other products. He doesn't bring up SVS unless someone else does first. In regards to selling anything to "theEARS" again if you had done some searches you would see that there are lots of natured running discussions between the two of them and there is quite a to of information that can be gained by reading the posts. Additionally I believe that Tom owns KLF-30's as his main speakers which means that he has just as much of a right to be here as I do or anyone else. Thankfully Klipsch seems to have a much more open mind then you do. ------------------ ...wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world... My Home Theater Page This message has been edited by eq_shadimar on 12-29-2001 at 07:48 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted December 29, 2001 Share Posted December 29, 2001 Mark, Sorry not answering the question,well TV did it better then I could.I have no experience with the Stryker subs at all.Just visited their site and that is all. TheEAR(s) Now theears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erdric Posted December 29, 2001 Share Posted December 29, 2001 Wow. Klipsch speakers caused TV to create SVS. That's cool. As far as I'm concerned the simple fact that TV owns Klipsch speakers gives him the right to be here. If Klipsch doesn't like what he says then rest assured, Klipsch will let him know. It hasn't happened yet and I suspect that it won't anytime soon. ------------------ Primary System: Main KG-4 Center KV-3 Rear RS-3 Yamaha HTR-5250 Sony DVP-S560D Panasonic PV-9664 Sony DBS system Studio: Main KG-3 Sony STR-AV920 Pioneer PD-4351 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutral Guy Posted December 30, 2001 Share Posted December 30, 2001 TV: I just wanted to post a quick follow-up message. I didn't mean any personal offense by my last post. I just felt strongly about it, and I wanted to state my opinion (for what it was worth). The truth is I enjoy reading your posts also, and I have found them informative. I guess I am a Klipsch loyalist, and I felt that they were getting a raw deal. I understand that there are other viewpoints, though... And since Klipsch is OK with it, then I'm OK it with it also. So I would like to offer my apology. I hope that you have a happy new year. NG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted December 30, 2001 Share Posted December 30, 2001 Next I'll be scooping the whole SVS lineup.I like the idea of passive subs,so I can use my monster amps on them. On my short list for next year are... SVS SS(take a look at the driver,the competition better hide under a rock in a cave LOL) SVS Ultra(the current top dog under 3 grand) SVS CS-Plus(looks like a HSU hunter killer sub ) This combined with my Klipsch Reference speakers all around should recreate the ultimate HT experience at home(beat all theaters in sound quality and output). TheEAR(s) Now theears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montigue Posted December 31, 2001 Share Posted December 31, 2001 NG, You have the right to speak your mind as much as the next guy.....To express yourself is the only way to live! Regards, Monty p.s (to all)I posted my system in odds and modds. Take a look tell me what you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BobG Posted December 31, 2001 Share Posted December 31, 2001 If anybody would like to do a bit of research on nodal patterns and in-room standing waves; check this link: http://www.harman.com/wp/pdf/Loudspeakers%20and%20Rooms%20-%20Working%20Together.pdf The paper is written by Dr. Floyd Toole, VP of Acoustical Engineering at Harman Intl. It's a good primer on speaker placement and the effect of the listening room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchist Posted January 1, 2002 Share Posted January 1, 2002 TV, Or anyone else who might know, I just found a DIY project written by RS where he credits you for design assistance for what amounts to a CS20-23. The enclosure is 24 inches around instead of 16 which makes it a little less attractive but regardless, it apparently is the first of the 'SVS' subwoofers. It also mentions being a derivative of the HSU 12Va. Ron steps the reader through the entire build process, provides a parts and suppliers list, and specifies you can build this sub for less than $200. In fact, he mentions building two subs and powering them for less than $600. I had looked at getting dual CS20-39's @ 1199 or waiting for the CS+. Please tell me why building the kit according to Ron's plans (changing the tube diameter and height, of course) would not give me the same performance as the official SVS product? If it basically boils down to 'we build it' vs. 'you build it', I would find it real difficult to justify an additional $600 bucks. To summarize my question: Why would I buy a SVS branded sub rather than build it according to SVS' project plans? Thanks and I look forward to your response - I really don't want to get the woodworking tools out. ;-) ------------------ Fronts - KG4's Center - C6 Surrounds - S6's Sub - KSW200 Powered by - YAM995 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted January 1, 2002 Share Posted January 1, 2002 BobG, Lets see more reviews of the RSW15,articles about standing waves are nice but cusomers want to see(hear)performance. My dealer has not yet revieved a RSW15,when they will I will borrow one and test it.I am sure I will find the splace where it performs best.I have four high-end subs on hand so I will pit the RSW15 against the Sunfire Sig,Revel B15,Velo HGS18 and Aerial SW12. We will see(hear) how the RSW does then(BTW I cut all the larger subs at 50Hz so above 50Hz performance means noting to me.A sub is a sub not a woofer. We'll see how the RSW15 fares(the RSW10 was not too inpressive). One thing is sure the SVS lineup does perform,and the Ultras curl walls with deep bass.I may even do a SVS/HSU type of sub myself using the new AURA Elan 15" drivers and JBL GTI 15" drivers. MUA HA HA (these drivers cost over a grand ...each! ) Its SVS time this year!And maybe one or two DIY subs. TheEAR(s) Now theears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike stehr Posted January 1, 2002 Share Posted January 1, 2002 Why would you buy a SVS branded sub when you can build one? Maybe to save six hundred bucks?! You pretty much answered your own question. But use the best drivers that money can buy, otherwise, why DIY if your going to use mediocre drivers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h2xmark Posted January 1, 2002 Share Posted January 1, 2002 well guys,my klipsch dealer in town called me monday at work and told me the new RSW15 was IN STOCK ,yes can you believe it, they closed early monday and i told them i would go by on wednesday to check it out,i just won't to hear this sub for myself, they have some other brands their also for comparison,i'm bringing my rat shack meter to help out,i know the sub will be stiff with 0 hours on it, but i will post my thought on this sub as soon as possible thanks , mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted January 1, 2002 Share Posted January 1, 2002 Mike, Save what? $600 Time is money and I have better things to do then build a SVS or HSU.You dont save $600 like some think,top of the line JBL(GTI)and AURA drivers cost around $1000 per driver.Save what then? To build a rock solid cabinet and finish it in real wood takes time and money(the cabinets will be braced a la B&W Matrix,this aint cheap). When I build my own sub I will be over 5 grand of parts(not counting the amp)and it will put to shame any sold sub.I dont build jokes for peanuts or boomboxes.Most DIY projects I saw on the net are jokes(poor performance when size is taken ito account). TheEAR(s) Now theears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVodhanel Posted January 1, 2002 Share Posted January 1, 2002 Crash, that was one of the first woofs Ron ever built. Since I helped with the design...I'm sure it will sound great if you copy it. I can't say how it would compare to any of the SVs...I never built that type of unit(or measured one obviously)...it should work well though. If you have a couple free weekends and all the tools,DIYing is a great option for the HT enthusiast looking for good bass on a budget. TV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchist Posted January 2, 2002 Share Posted January 2, 2002 Hey TV, You weren't too helpful on providing a reason to "skip on the getting dusty" bit. Tell me this - are you making the SVS' out of that same Solotube stuff? Are your drivers off-the-shelf parts? The pictures on your site aren't disguising water heaters, are they? I have found another dozen or so projects based on the Solotube - some closely resemble Ron's and some are ugly as hell. They all are based on the same general design and all claim to have outstanding performance - flat to 18, flat to 19, yada, yada, yada. Unfortunately, most simply look like water heaters and/or missle silo's. I am talking about 2-2 1/2 feet in circumference and 6 ft. tall. Jesus, my wife won't go for that s_it - oh, honey, I have two missile silo's to stick in the HT. C'mon, TV. Give me some incentive or hope here. What are the benefits or improvements in a SVS that won't be in the DIY? I will tell you two but you can't use these: I don't have to go through the effort of building it (and possibly screwing the pooch doing so) and it won't be a friggin water heater to get good bass. Again, the question is why? And while you are giving me those answers, what size amp will be built into the powered CS+'s? I don't want to drive to Youngstown, OH? for answers but I will man. Look forward to hearing from you. ------------------ Fronts - KG4's Center - C6 Surrounds - S6's Sub - KSW200 Powered by - YAM995 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchist Posted January 2, 2002 Share Posted January 2, 2002 I apologize. Somehow I got the same post submitted twice so I have edited the second. Hoping TV comes through with some good answers?! Otherwise, we may need TheEars to do his marketing. ------------------ Fronts - KG4's Center - C6 Surrounds - S6's Sub - KSW200 Powered by - YAM995 This message has been edited by crash827 on 01-02-2002 at 09:29 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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