edwinr

Scientific description of a smile "The anatomical juxtaposition of the obicularis muscles in a state of contraction"

---------------- On 7/5/2004 8:44:34 PM sheltie dave wrote: Why do we always put peanut butter on the inside part of the bread, anyway? ---------------- Hmmmm? I put my peanut butter on the inside part for sure, but before I bite into it, I turn the bread over so the my tongue can better apreciate the taste. Also if you don't turn the bread over, the peanut butter sticks the bread to the top of your mouth - then you have to get an implement to scrape it off.

Have you thought about moving to Australia? There's an ex-wife I don't like she and would love to have you move next door to her!

---------------- On 7/5/2004 8:55:30 PM 3dzapper wrote: It looks like cane to me but it is hard to tell if it has been stained on purpose or is discollared from smoke and age. Rick ---------------- Well I got one of the side panels off and Paul and JMON are correct. The grill is actually brown cloth weave but in a cane pattern. The fabric is discolored with a few stains but otherwise okay. I will try a commercial upholstery cleaner on an overlapping grill piece. As the grill is obviously not cane, I won't feel as obliged to retain this material to maintain originality should it not clean up properly. That would be my excuse to change it for black grill cloth if necessary.

I went through home theatre burnout, and never recovered, thank goodness. It came to a head nearly two years when I had everything home theatre that could open or shut. I had so much money tied up in a dedicated home theatre room for so little result. Why did I pay thousands of dollars just so so I could hear a few sound effects behind me when I watched movies and listened to my very few multi channel music discs? I kept my KLF10's as a stereo pair and sold all my receiver and other Klipsch surround speakers and sub. I bought my tube integrated, kept my Toshiba 900E plus my projector and wide screen - and now I have my Klipschorns. So now I have a great 2 channel music system. I watch probably 2 to 3 movies a week and movies sound great in Klipschorn 2 channel. So I guess it's only a matter of time. This thread probably carries the home theatre burnout virus - so Klipsch better gear up the Heritage production line so home theatre burnout victims can be treated to a 2 channel cure!

A few years ago I owned a REL Strata 3 paired with ProAc Tablettes. The Strata really made the Tablettes sound almost like full range speakers. For a subwoofer, as far as they go, I thought the Strata was one of the better ones. Smooth, extended and very tunable. I must qualify my comments , however, as I became disatisfied with subwoofers generally, preferring full range speakers. I always felt that I could tell where the bass was coming from - even though I know certain bass frequencies are difficult to detect by the human ear. Anyway, if you can score a good second hand one go for it - the REL may work for you.

---------------- On 7/2/2004 3:45:55 PM Paul McCaw wrote: Why on earth would you want to suffer with the lack of dynamic range and surface noise that is inherant in all vinyl playback? ---------------- Now, Paul, have you really heard how good vinyl can sound? Even an average turntable/pickup combination like I own can reproduce real music with no digital hash or blare. None of my records have any surface noise to speak of. Edwin.

Nice work thebes.

Since reading this thread I've been thinking too. Both of my speakers are very snug in their double brick corners. One of my corners needed some 3/4 inch board placed over a glass door/window to physically complete the corner as far as the Klipschorn was concerned. I got the board cut to size and I screwed it into place. After doing so I played all sorts of music at varying levels to gauge the effect. Now at lower levels (read normal), I detected no improvement, nor deterioration, to the quality of the bass frequencies. When I played some rock music at higher levels I detected a fair bit of bass coloration. While the music was playing loudly, I placed my hand on the Klipschorn and there was very little vibration. When I placed my hand on the board, it was vibrating like a drum! I then removed the board and played the same music at the same loud level. The difference was quite marked. No bass coloration at all. I couldn't tell whether the installation of this board had improved low frequency response in this corner. I'm thinking, I guess, is that if Klipschorns are placed snugly into undamped corners, and loud basey music is often played, some bass coloration may result. If damping or bracing a drywall or plasterboard corner is not an option, then the best solution would be to pull the Klipschorns out from the corner. Bass quality is far more important than bass quantity.

Since my RatShack sound level meter has given me a taste, I've just bought a digital sound level meter. As an experiment I selected 'A' weighting which mimics the response of the human ear, rather than the 'C' weighting for measuring steady state noise. Using the auto range function I played a Frank Sinatra recording and advanced the volume control of my amp so that during music peaks I was hitting around 103 to 104 db's. Now the peaks were subjectively LOUD. The average sound level for this particular track, however, averaged around 85 to 90 db. I understand the Klipschorns output around 104db for one watt average musical signal input. So at that amplifier volume setting I was probably using less than one watt peak power. Now I can see how SET users can drive the Klipschorns to very loud levels with just 3 to 5 watts.

---------------- On 7/4/2004 2:36:17 PM Hofy wrote: ....I see some Klipschhorns in my future. ---------------- Let me look in my crystal ball...what's that I see...yes I see some Klipschorns! Good luck in trying to find a surround receiver without the kitchen sink. I'm looking at the Yamaha bottom of the range model RX440 for upstairs - 65 watts per channel. Probably the most basic receiver on the market - it still has every input I would never need.

Thanks. It was just a thought about changing them. I'll try cleaning first.

Yeah. Daddy Dee, I've noticed in my friends home he runs solid state with heritage - it sounds pretty good. But dedicated two channel solid state/heritage nirvana is more difficult to achieve. It seems some solid state two channel amplifier manufacturers have a point to prove and their products can sound too much like hi-fi and forget musicality. I guess they need to make their product stand out from the others.

By the way Paul, the cane grills are a little soiled but in pristine condition. How would you clean? Could you take the grills off without problems? Would you replace and update to current look black grill cloth?

Thanks Paul. I've copied that picture and have stored it in file. The local Klipsch man told me a while ago that the Klipschorns weren't as room sentsitive as people like to think - he was right. This will be one of my major themes from now on in promoting the Klipschorn to Kvirgins!

It sounds like you have a bad lead. Test or change it if you can. If you run the cable from the LFE output into the back of your sub i.e. left and right input via RCA plugs and lead you should get pink noise sound from the sub when you select speaker setup on your Onkyo. If you don't have a sound level metre you will need to set levels by ear. When setting the sub level there is always a tendancy to set levels too high when doing it by ear. Choose the sub level you think matches your other speakers then just to try it, knock that level back a couple of db's. Take care with using a Y connector into the back of your sub from the single LFE lead from your LFE Onkyo output. Some subs like the M&K 150 THX won't like it and may overload. On the other hand the Velodyne CHT series may not get enough signal so you should use a Y connector. If a Y connector is inappropriate, in that case one of the RCA inputs in the back of your sub will have an input marked left/mono or right/mono. Use that input instead which will give you the summed bass signal for both channels.

Okay jt1stcav. You won this round!

My room size is 6 metres by 5.5 metres. In imperial measurement I think it works out to about 20 feet by 18 feet. My music/home theatre room is located downstairs in a two story home. The walls are constructed of double brick. The interior wall is painted brick. When I took delivery of the Klipschorns, I simply backed them into the long wall with no windows. The left corner is a perfect corner - no windows or other enchroachment to compromise the seal. The right corner is almost perfect. I was able to obtain a good seal with the tailboard gasket. The only problem is, where the right speaker is located, about 18 inches from the right hand side corner the brick wall finishes and the glass sliding door starts. Now I thought this would effect the bass quality of the right speaker. But listening tests appear to contradict this. Anyway, I am still going to take some prior advice I was given in this forum and I will affix a 3/4 inch board over the bottom part of the window and see what happens. This should allow the Klipschorn's folded bass horn to acoustically 'see' a perfect corner. I think I have, with very little effort, reached 90% of the sound quality one should expect from speakers like the Klipschorn. With a little tinkering, I will extract the last 10 to 15%. I am really surprised at the ease in which I obtained amazing sound quality. The Klipschorns have a reputation for being fussy. From my so far limited experience, I think every other speaker I have owned (and there have been a lot!), have been much more difficult to set up than the Klipschorn.

Thanks Q-Man for the pictures. And you're right, black looks fantastic. Well there you go, no matter what colour I was fortunate to get, I would have been over the moon. I really like how the black compliments the wood coloured wall panels - had your Khorns been any other colour, they might not have worked as well with the decor. Regards, Edwin.

Hi. Welcome. As a former Newbie myself, the only initiation I've had are lessons in grammer! I don't know whether I want to walk down the main street of Goulburn (in Australia) with my pants around my ankles. It's below zero outside at the moment. About your lack of low frequencies at lower volume levels - I wonder if it's a room related issue. I don't have that problems in that area with my Khorns and I think you should expect very good low frequency output at all volume levels. My tube amp outputs around 20-ish watts per channel on a good day. I don't think I could stay in the room if I turned the amp past 12 o'clock. So I guess 100 watts would be Huge even in a big room.

---------------- On 7/4/2004 4:19:14 AM boomer9911 wrote: wow...would take me a week to drive there... ---------------- It would take me a month to swim.

---------------- On 7/4/2004 4:27:26 AM boomer9911 wrote: black Khorns????? GAG..hope your getting them VERY cheap..what a waste.. ---------------- Yeah, I was thinking the same. Big black Khorns may suit some decors, but not mine.

---------------- On 6/30/2004 6:48:29 AM Ray Garrison wrote: just a note - "penultimate" means the one before the last one, or "next to last". The penultimate letter in the English alphabet is Y. If the KHorns were to be your penultimate speakers, you could just as well have gotten the black ones, as you would be planning on buying your ultimate speakers at some future point. ---------------- Aha. So because I missed out on the black Khorns, I ended up buying a pair of 1980 walnut Khorns which I guess are my penultimate loudspeakers. I still intend to buy a new pair of walnut Klipschorns as soon as I have the dollars. Therefore by hook or by crook I got it right......I think.

I'd have to say that I would buy the Jubilee. Expensive that it would be if it were to go into production. I suggest that with the renewed interest in horns and tubes, now would be a good time to consider production. After all, isn't that was what PWK would have done eventually anyway?

PWK Got it Wrong! Or was he playing an April Fools joke on us when he designed the Klipschorn? In fact I think we have all been taken in by PWK. Little did we know that he wasn't trying to design a full range loudspeaker designed for corner placement. He was trying to design the worlds best headphones! Being PWK he thought BIG! He got carried away with this monumentous task. Unfortunately, the more he dabbled and tinkered with his original design concept back in the 1940's, the more he realised the human frame was going to be the one prohibitive engineering factor that even he, genius that he was, couldn't overcome. After all, how could the human frame support two 160 plus pound behemoths dangling each side of the skull? - at least for long periods of time. What about the comfort factor with that weight balanced on top of your skull? Imagine the contortions required when taking the Klipschorns off back in the 1940's and 1950's everytime you wanted to change a record (78 rpm back then). There were no remote controls back then either. By the time PWK worked out he was flogging a dead horse, he had an inspiration. With a bit of minor engineering tinkering and clever marketing, he turned the worlds best ever headphones into the worlds best ever loudspeakers. He just had to fool the audiophiles of the day that we were(and still are), buying and listening to loudspeakers. The laugh's still on us.