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You forgot that it is a crisis and it has to be voted on this afternoon. You need to vote before you know what it says or what is in the solution. If youi don't vote on it right away the world is doomed to forever be warm.

[*-)]Not pulling the trigger on a set of Khorns. Job is stable, wife has already cut back. 401 k down35%, No debt, reservese down but definitely not out. Will have 2 kids in college next year hope the 529's hold out. May have to supplement them more. Thought about taking the swingset out of the back yard, planting a huge garden and start canning the vegatables. If we get anymore stimulus/bailout plans like the last couple I may need to. I don't think they taxed home grown veggies even in Russia. Socialism a change we can believe in.[*-)]

Credit Defaults Swaps are contracts "similar" to insurance. Let's say I'm in the speaker business and I make bookshelf speakers and source my drivers from XYZ and only XYZ. If XYZ goes under, my company goes under. So I find someone (anyone) who will "insure" me against XYZ going down. Djk will insure me. You come to me with the terms (contract). I agree and pay you some amount every agreed upon period. If XYZ survives you make money, I loose. If XYZ goes down you pay according to contract (say $1M). The contract between you and I is a Credit Default Swap or CDS. I do not have to have any stake in the company XYZ. Now, say 1000 other speaker companies decide to enter CDSs for the same reason I did becasue they all sole-source from XYZ. The total "value" of the compensation is now $1B. That $1B is termed the "Gross Notional" for XYZ. The list above is an estimate of companies with largest Gross Notionals. Yes I understand that. But there are also company ABC (autozone) that has nothing to do with speakers or their manufactures. They also buy CDS on XYZ just because they think they are going to go down. When xyz goes down ABC gets paid. Basic like someone buying life insurance on someone else that they have no realtion too. Since these are not regulated by insurance boards of the states they are just bets or gambling. Instead of a horse race they are betting on viablity of companies or package morgages. So in that list does autozone buy the swaps, sell the swaps or are they the subject of the swaps?

Colin, Auto zone, where I get car parts? This is alphabetic but are they the top 100 or what? I don't understand. Is this who have sold the swaps or are they the holders of the paper?

My Nak bx300 is still working fine on the self in the back room. It was a great deck while I used cassettes, did have to take it in once for one motor though. Haven't used it in 8 to 10 years. I would sell it to you if you want to smash it though. That way you could smash 2 of them. Boy that would show them, sweet revenge. What's the going rate 2 or 3 hundred plus shipping. just fooling with ya.

Diet pepsi now. Need to keep the old waist line down. If I feel real frisky maybe a budlite tonight. Rather have a fosters or elephant beer.

Are you sure it is on the high end? I had one of my woofers resonate that sounded like a crackle. It was loose from the cabinet and the thin black stripping was missing from a previous owner. I used some really thin weather stripping around the woofer and reset it in the cabinet and then made sure all screws holding the speakers to the cabinet were tight. Take your grills off, play the passage that causes it. Keep replaying it while appling pressure to differant parts of the speaker frames. All three. See if you can make it go away. If not it may be a loose conection in the crossover or coming from your amp as previously mentioned. Those are more expensive fixes.

Carbon, Mine are 10" plus the normal riser on the bottom of the forte. I just kind of chose 10" so that it would get the main horn up close to the back of my sofa. It also brought them up closer to the height of the quartet's in the back cabinet. There wasn't a whole lot of engineerinng or wave theory put into my decision on height. I left the original riser on to make an easy attachment for the stands. I wouldn't want to go too high sitting in the middle of the wall. I think they would become unstable and top heavy. I had toyed with the idea of suspending them from the top of the wall. I couldn't come up with an elegant solution where the passive could breath and you wouldn't hit your head on them. Mine are just boxes with some scrap lumber screwed on the inside that sticks above the inside edge of the box. This gives a lip for the original risers to hold on. I put them on all four sides and the go above about 2 inches. The tight fit between the inside edge and the original riser holds it in place. No need to put any screws in the forte or it's riser.

It is very hard to lose a friend at such a young age. A thought and prayer for you and him and his family.

Thanks Coyotee, I don't think I'm ready to jump off that high dive yet for the jub's. I think I'd have to have a more dedicated space for something like that.

Indy, It isn't a dedicated room, more of a family room man cave in the basement. Eventually I will probably get a lascala for center, until then I would use my forte II. I know the timbre would suck. I might just continue to use all forte II's up front and use the Khorns for two channel in the same spot just behind them until I could come up with a lascala. The basement is kind of shaped like a upper case T with a short fat leg Except the top is 40 feet by 13 feet. the leg which comes up a little off center is 15 feet by 13 feet. I set in the leg and face towards the top of the T about 4 to 5 feet down into the leg. Ceilings are mostly dropped with acoustic tile. 60 percent of the floor is carpet. The front mains are 24 feet apart. They can't be closer due to a fireplace and walk out french doors. They can't be wider or they wouldn't have line of sight to the sofa in the listening or viewing area. The screen is between the fireplace and french doors on the top wall of the T. The Forte II's do have a good sound stage there and I enjoy them in stereo mode for CD listening. A lot of the vocals on CD's sound like they are coming from just right of center in the stereo mode. So I was just wanting your thoughts on whether the khorns with false corners would have better sound there than say lascala's or belles. I would probably use a sub with all three even for 2 channel listening. Do the false corners cut the Khorn down to a lascala as far as bass response? Since you have lascala's and Khorns with the false corner I thought you would have a good opinion. If the sound is close then I don't know if the expense and work for the Khorn would be worth it over a lascala that you could just set there. Thanks Keith

Hey Oscar I feel your pain. Like Clinton biting my lower lip and holding my thumb up. I have a Kevin also. Maybe it's the name. Mine isn't quite as bad as yours but has some of the same traits. Room was like a pit, car was trashed and couldn't think any farther ahead than the nest 15 minutes. The best thing he did was get a job at the local grocery store and learned to work a little. He is now in college and learning how to study and not party. Last semester was a mess. He dropped calculus since it was too hard and that just left him with 12 hrs. couldn't even pull a full load. We had a come to Jesus screaming session about 3 days before Christmas. I told him he could just as well take that tuition money throw it in the toilet and p**s on it. Then flush it away because that is what he was doing with his life. Problem is is that he is a smart kid and never had to study in HS. He actually scored the same on his ACT as his mother who is a physician and got straight A's through college. He did say he saw my side and was going to try better this semester. It's either that or back to home and work and community college. Hopefully he will find a goal or pursuit that motivates him. I don't believe my yelling at him will ever do it. I think the armed services wouldn't be such a bad idea, but his mother is a bleeding heart liberal and would go balistic if I ever suggested it. I never served, but I saw a lot of kids my age get straightened out on life by serving. Thoughts are with you, You do your best and toss them out there like a roll of the dice. Hopefully you don't get craps.

I'm toying with the idea of upgrading to Khorns. Due to my floor plan I will have to use false corners. I read the threads and I would hope I could build some like Mr.Tech's or tigerwoods style. I read about the problem with roll off at lower frequency's. I would use them with my sub a svs pb12/2 plus. I would have them for my mains in my HT system. I will be using a TGP 5 and sunfire amp, that is where you come in Indy, for my 2 channel listening and also the sub. Is it worth the expense, effort, work to go with Khorns and false corners over just getting some Lascala's or Belle's and letting my sub bring up the low end slack? Is the sound better with a Khorn with false corners like yours than a lascala or belle if you are using a sub with them all? Thanks for any of your inpput

Not really. I think I would just have to use false corners.

The Basement is shaped like a T with the 40 feet being the top part of the T. The listening area is down the leg a little ways that is why they can't be back in the corners no line of sight to where the sofa is.

Nothing's wrong with Khorns 24 feet apart that is how far apart my forte II's are. But that isn't in the corner yet. If they were in the corners they would be about 40 some feet apart and one would be against a window. For them to work in my basement they will need false corners so that they have an unabstructed aim at the listening area.

I just read the false corners don't have to be ugly thread by Mr. Tech. I have forte II's with K stacks about 24 feet apart in my basement for my HT. Lately I have been listening to a lot of CD's on it in the stereo mode and loving it. The imaging is like the vocals are right in front of me. Well there are some KHorns for sale within driving distance of me. Don't know the final price yet but they are in the color I would want and late 90's. I'm setting here lusting after them. Would up grading to Khorns that I would have to do false corners for be worth it. I feel like would making love to a supper model be that much better. I think I could make the false corners like MR Tech but my craftsmenship might not be up to his standards. They would be in the basement which is my man cave. I would have to leave the forte II for center for a while, but I could probably put the other forte II's main in front of the Khorns for a while for HT. I also have a TGP5 with a second area. Could I use that for a pre and then just get another amp to drive the Khorns? I feel like a teenage boy looking at a playboy.

I agree with Dtel, try the concert CD. I think I could tell a difference with the fullness of the sound. Also pay attention for things panning from left to right or r to left. If it feels like the sound is smooth and you don't notice it switching from speaker to speaker that is what makes it sweet.

Maybe it is time to pick up a pair if any come up close to me.

My question is about cornwalls II's. The Klipsch site has an academy for center. It also has an academy for center for my forte II's. Would a forte II work for a center for cornwall II's. I know another cornwall II would be a better match. I am just wondering. Most on the forum use heresys i believe. How about forte II's for surrounds? I'm thinking about upgrading to heritage instead of the forte II's for front right and left. Will I gain much for 2 channel listening by going to Cornwall II instead of my Forte II's with K stacks? Much bang for the buck. Just like some opinions

Does Colter have an avatar there with him in front of about 3 to 4 hundred vintage flashlights?

I believe a few years back that a guy did that through the Royal Gorge bridge, miss judged and decappitated himself on a cable.

I could be wrong on this and I am sure I will be corrected but not all of the sound comes from the tweeter and squawker. I think there is a lot of sound that comes from the woofer from 80 hz up to the crossover in the speaker. Because of this a larger woofer produces the sounds say from 300 hz down to 60 hz to me the sound just seems fuller. It could be me but I think my forte II's with subwoofer sound better than my quartets with the subwoofer and they aren't much more than a different size woofer and cabinet. Might be hard to prove. I also have my cross over set at 60 hz.

The driver's side surround unless your from England or Australia

Richard Here are a couple of pictures of my Forte II's on stands that I made. Not much of a cabinet maker. Should have run the grain the other way to match the speaker maybe instead of the base. But they work well and are fairly stable.