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Just to follow up on this, my friend told me that he ended up buying them. Makes me happy, at least someone I know has them now!

I've been thinking about getting these. I have a pretty unique situation. I live in Seattle, but a good friend currently lives in St. Pete and is moving out here to Tacoma next month. I already have 2 setups with Forte II's and Academy centers, don't have a need for these CW III's but it's really hard to pass up such a good deal. I've updated the crossovers and tweeter diaphrams in all my speakers (one full set of popbumper crossovers, the other set I soldered in the Sonicap upgrade kits from Bob C), and I know I'd want to do that again with these, and get a single heresy as a center. Somebody talk me down from this please!

This may be of interest, not exaclty a Khorn, but a pair of cornerhorn speakers from Speakerlab located in Salem, OR. https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ele/d/salem-speakerlab-ev-cornerhorns/7222135956.html

@vasubandu Man, I'd definitely be interested in that set of Axiom's, but I'm in FL and wouldn't want to pay to send all that weight across the country. I'm actually going to be in Seattle next weekend, but I can't exaclty check those on the flight home either, haha. I'm planning to move to Seattle in the next year, maybe if you still have them by then I'll look you up again. Good luck in the meantime. -Shawn

Edgar, I think you're right. As much as I'd love to squeeze them into that room, what I have right now is borderline overkill already. This would easily fill two rooms that size! Man, it's just hard to pass up such a deal. But I have to be realistic. I hope these find a good home soon!

One other question, the room these would be going into is relatively small, 13'x13'. I have 2 Forte II's in there now, with a Sub 12, Academy Center, and KG 2.5's as surrounds. I'm pretty sure this Legacy system is overkill, but is it even feasible to use in a room this size? Also, these would be driven by an Integra receiver, the DTR 70.3. It's rated at 140 watts/ch into an 8 ohm load.

Wow, reading the top of this thread, I was thinking to myself "I wonder if he'd take $2500 for them", after I saw that they are in FL. Then I see that the offer is on the table! I have some heritage Klipsch speakers in my two home theater setups now, but this is over the top amazing sound quality I'm sure. In my current "dad cave", my surrounds are side firing, but one is basically in the corner of the room. With the Mist speakers being side firing, would the sound be muffled/distorted with one of those basically up against a wall? I really don't need these, but man, this is like a once in a lifetime deal here.

Is the Academy still available, and would you be willing to ship?

Is your Academy still available?

When I bought my first set of Forte II's from someone at work, he was nice enough to give me his ADCOM preamp and amp too. The preamp didn't work, and the amp needed a replacement fuse to get working. Once I replaced the fuse, I listened to some music through the amp using my yamaha receiver as a preamp, but I wasn't pleased with the sound. I sold the ADCOM stuff to help pay for some more Klipsch gear (I think I bought a pair of KG2.5's to use as surrounds), but back to the amp, I thought it sounded too rough and bright, for my taste. I had my Forte's as the left and right channel in my 5.0 setup for quite some time, being driven by an outlaw 7500 amp. Sound was excellent. I would put it in direct mode and play CD's through it and there was bass for days. Placement with these will definitely go a long way. As Wuzzer said, 12-15" away from the wall is key. You may have to play with it a bit. I've got mine toed in slightly, but they are always around that 12" mark from the wall.

canyonman, thanks for the info. Glad to hear you haven't had to mess with the Scott after getting it tuned up! That thing is a real beauty. I keep bouncing back and forth between the Scott and Marantz in my head (though I haven't heard either). I know I'll be happy with either one. Part of me really wants to have a 299 sitting on my shelf and see those tubes glowing [H], even if it does cost a few hundred $ more. I suppose when the right deal comes around, I'll know it! I was half hoping to read that you were thinking of parting ways with your 299 when I started reading your post, haha. I'll keep looking. There was a post in the garage sale that landed someone with a 299 in a matter of 3 days or less! Exactly what he was looking for, restored by Craig and everything.

I had originally wanted to go with exactly this, a Scott 299 that had been restored. But, I'm not very keen on the maintenance and cost of upkeep for the tube world, despite the obvious benefit of getting to listen to my forte's through a tube amp! I thought about the Outlaw integrated, I've seen them go on sale every once in a while, with free shipping too. I've read some bad things about them not being made as solidly as you would expect for the price range. Issues with the volume knob, etc. I'll have to check out the other integrated's listed on Audiogon and here in the Garage sale section. I'm leaning toward one of those old marantz units, despite having never heard one. Something tells me it would be a very pleasant upgrade []

Something like this maybe? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Restored-Marantz-2252B-Stereo-Receiver-/250957276659?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3a6e3825f3

I'm looking for a nice integrated amp (new or old) to use in my two channel turntable setup. I have a music hall MMF5.1 table, and its running into an old 70's receiver that was a budget piece even back then. The sound is just not good. I'm looking to spend no more than $600. I would be ok with getting an integrated amp and a separate phono preamp, as long as it stays within that budget. I'm also interested in knowing what would sound good running my Forte II's. They have completely rebuilt crossovers (courtesy of popbumper) but they're not being used to their full potential! I listen to a lot of metal music, but there is quite a bit of 60's/70's classic rock and prog in there as well. I mainly want a nice warm sound, not harsh or bright. Initial thoughts were a Marantz in the 2245 style, but finding one that has been professionally restored can be tough. Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks everyone, hope you're all having a great new year so far!!

I have an Adcom ACE-315 line suppressor that I bought new about 5 years ago. Its the little brother to the ACE-615 that has more outlets. Its been having some trouble when powering on. The two unswitched outlets are working, and one of the two switched banks is working, but the other switched bank is rapidly and sporatically turning off and on. I opened up the unit to make sure all the wiring looked ok, but didn't find anything unusual. When I first put the cover back on and plugged it in, it worked fine, but about 15 minutes later it started to fail again. I can't figure it out. I know I can send it off to get serviced, but with the price it will cost to ship it and fix it, I could probably buy a new power conditioner. Has anyone ever exerienced this type of issue with this unit or a similar unit? Thanks.

Yeah, I picked up both OX and the new OXEP. I haven't listened to the OXEP yet, but I'm looking forward to it. I drove from central FL to Atlanta to see Cave In and Coalesce back in October, they did one of those free Scion metal shows at a place called Masquerade. It was a fantastic show, I watched from the side. Coalesce were so intense! Definitely one of the best hardcore shows I've seen. Also just saw Converge open for Mastodon last month. It was strange to see them in such a big venue with so many people there that weren't converge fans, but it was still awesome to hear some of the new Axe to Fall songs live.

Yukon, I'm very surprised to not see more suggestions for Forte II's. I listen to a ton of metal, Metallica and Opeth as you mentioned, as well as a lot of hardcore like converge, botch, coalesce, poison the well, etc. These speakers have a small footprint, they pack a TON of bass, they are 3-way, and they will kick your ***!! I listen to all of these bands on vinyl and they sound fantastic through my setup (in my signature). Forte II's can be found for relatively cheap ($400) fairly easily. If you like the black finish, they are usually the least expensive and have been pretty easy to find in my experience, just keep checking your local Craigslist and the garage sale part of the forum. As for the rest of the setup, If you are doing solely 2 channel and you want something new, I'm not as familiar, but I know you can get a refurbished vintage piece, like say a Marantz 2245 for under $300 (possibly under $200) and it should be plenty for your turntable setup. Marantz is known for a warm tone, which goes well with Klipsch as well as some of the more harsh metal (listening to some styles at high volumes can be fatiguing on the ears, too much treble). Just my two cents. Glad to see there's some real metal heads out there, none of my friends share my passion for the extreme.

Another vote for Outlaw. I have been pleased with my 990 and unless you need a phono stage, the upcoming 997 should suit you fine. The trinnov optimizer sounds like a really great feature. You might also look into the Onkyo PR-SC886. Looks like a very full featured Pre/pro.

Unfortunately, it sounds like your seating arrangement is going to cause some real problems with side surround placement. Here are some placement diagrams for 5.1 and 7.1 setups: 5.1 7.1 I struggled with surround placement in my 5.1 system, becaues I was trying to mount my surrounds on side walls, but I don't have any good side walls to use. I ended up building some nice stands, a la the TNT Stubby and my particular problem was solved. As you see in the diagrams, the side surrounds really do need to be to the side or just behind the head. You may want to look into in wall speakers since your seats are up against the wall. Your A/V processor should have options to adjust the seated distance and levels of each speaker, so you can compensate for having one right next to your right most seat. As far as sound matching for the choruses goes, I would imagine that using your spare academies (I can't believe you have 4!!) would work great as surrounds. They were made to fit in with that group of speakers (quartets, fortes and choruses), so that's a good match. I use KG2.5's and I'm very happy with them as surrounds. Not much happens in them, and even when listening to multichannel music, they still work great. The Academy is slightly larger and about twice as heavy as the KG2.5. This B Tech stand looks like it would be a good mount for the academy, it fits that size (vertically) and will support its weight. It would be your call if it would stick out from the wall too much by that seat. 11" deep plus a little for the mount is not exactly streamline, but it will sound good![Y]

Perhaps you could offer it for sale in the buyer's choice of finish, and let them choose from a list you provide (oak, walnut, black laquer). That, or have two prices, raw or finished. Like Bill said, if its going in a cabinet, the buyer may just want to paint the edge to match the cabinet and wouldn't want to sink the extra money into a nice new finish job that won't be visible.

Thanks for the input guys. GotHover, I was actually looking into those Dayton caps and for the price, you certainly can't beat them. I know ANYTHING is an upgrade to the caps that are in the crossovers from the factory. I remember reading a comment from Bob that the original caps were no good even when brand new. And they still sound good! So, here's my alternatives, maybe I can get some input. I can get the full set of caps in the Auricap/Audiocap Theta's from Partsexpress for $91; or the Dayton 1%'s for about $14. I was trying to get the clarity caps (in the SA range) which would have run me about $30 but they don't have 2.0's, so putting two 1.0's in parallel would be about $45. So, that's one heck of a spread. Plus, the crossover networks in the Forte II's are so small and stuffed into the back of the input cup, I don't even know if I could fit all those caps on the tiny PCB, and it would definitely be putting excess strain on the small screws that hold it in place. Hell, how difficult is it to build a whole new network? I can't exactly read schematics, but I could figure it out. I have the schem. for the Forte II's already, I guess I just need to study up on the symbols. Too bad they aren't offered in kit form, that would take the guess work out of it for me!

For a while, I would buy only CD's from only a handful of bands, since I already had the rest of their CD's, why not get the new ones? But more recently, I've decided to stop buying CD's altogether. I buy vinyl, since its something I can't produce at home. If you actually want something physical to hold in your hands, why not have something like a record jacket with big artwork, a nice booklet or insert with lyrics you can actually read and a cool piece of wax that's probably in some limited colorway that you can show off to your friends. Most vinyl comes with a download ticket to get the album digitally, and its usually a digital copy ripped from the vinyl itself, so you can burn your own CD. I also still purchase DVD-Audio discs, as I can't make these at home either. I love the Hi-Rez discs, like the new King Crimson reissues, or the 70's Genesis box, or the Doors Perception box. I've got 20-30 of them, and I'm ok with spending a little more to get the higher fidelity, and again, I can't make these at home. I'm not saying that low quality mp3's are anywhere near a viable alternative to cd's, but good quality FLAC files, or 320kbs mp3's are a different story. I remember seeing a story on the Sunday Morning show about data deterioration, and they said that disc media is only supposed to last like 10 or 15 years. So it makes sense to me to just burn a copy of a cd to listen to in my car, and then I'm not as pissed if they get scratched, I'll just make another!

Is it possible to use capacitors of a slightly higher value than that used in the original capacitor? I would like to swap out the caps in my new-to-me Forte II's, and I would like to use ClarityCaps based on the positive reviews and modest pricing. There are 3 caps per crossover, one 1.5uf and two 2.0uf's. I'm able to find the 1.5's, but the closest I can find for the 2.0's is 2.2uf. Would it be detrimental to use these in place of the 2.0's? I could technically put two 1.0's in parallel, but the cost effectively doubles as the price difference between the 1.0 and 2.0 is negligible. I dug through old threads but wasn't able to find a definitive answer to this particular scenario.

Kevin, I read about your ST-120 amp kit build in the "New Toy - Tubes in the House" post. It looks fantastic, great job!! It really peaked my interest in possibly building one of these kits myself. The only experience I have with soldering was replacing the caps and resistors in my KG2.5's. I think it was a total of 4 pieces for each crossover. It was relatively simple, once I did some practice and watched some tutorial videos. I think I could tackle the amp kit, but I have a question about the price difference. One of these Dynaco kits that are all brand new parts, while looking (and sounding I'm sure) awesome, they do cost quite a bit. $480 for the cheapest kit, and it's only 17.5 watts per channel, without any tubes. The Bob Latino ST-70 kit (35 watts per channel) with tubes is $695 + shipping. And once the kit is finally built, you still only have an amp, not an integrated amp as the OP is looking for. So now he would need a preamp of some kind, tube or ss, before being able to listen to anything, and he's already out over $700. You can get a fully refurbished Scott or similar for $500-$600 if you look around (there are several on ebay that I posted about in the garage sale forum as a price check, have a look). While I don't consider this "cheap", it still seems like a pretty good deal considering the price of going all new and not chinese! It sure is a blessing and a curse having this audio affliction, isn't it? You want the best for your particular budget, and no matter how much you spend, there are literally thousands of other options just out of your price range. Even if $100,000 is your amp budget, there's more to be had! [:|]

mxr dad, I'm happy for you. I, too, am very (VERY!) interested in getting into tubes. After the new year, hopefully when the taxman pays me back, I'll be on the hunt for the very same amp you have, the Scott 299B. While I'm not going to be listening through La Scalas, I'm sure I will enjoy the tube sound through my Forte II's. My main reason for wanting this tube 2 channel setup is that I recently bought a nice turntable (MMF 5.1) and along with it, about 500 LP's over the last year. I currently have the TT hooked up in my living room, which doubles as my home theater 5 channel setup, which doubles as the main (and only) TV watching room in the house. Needless to say, my turntable doesn't get much play. Not to mention, I have very diverse musical taste. I love classic rock and I also love extreme metal, and I have more metal records than anything else, but my wife isn't into that one bit. So, unless she's not home (which doesn't happen much) I don't get to listen to my records. I recently picked up a second pair of Forte II's from forum member groomlakearea51 (Thanks again Marshall!) and will be putting together a nice two channel setup in my new house in a loft area, and I really want to power them with a Scott! In the meantime they'll be powered by some SS vintage stereo that was my dad's, but I will be waiting for that day when I get my Scott and can finally see what I've been missing out on. Let us know how you like the 299B when you get it hooked up! -Shawn