Dave A

https://knoxville.craigslist.org/ele/d/klipsch-la-scala-speakers/6492014226.html The only thing I can figure is that the grille has a few ounces of gold thread in it.

Hi gained good to see you here. Hey Claude I am also curious to know now that my mind has been jogged on this. As a much delayed update on the speakers I bought. They have K-42's in them that are far older than I have seen before and the mid horns had soldered lug K-55-V's on them. One round and one square K-77. The cabinets are really crude but stamped with a serial number and I think original. Pics to follow soon. It was a real deal at $300.00.

I don't remember which one of you had the nerve to laugh at me when I said I had my final system. Then I start finding out about speakers I never knew of like the KP-450's. I have decided that people who come by to buy speakers simply are not going to hear them. Just sold a pair of super pristine KP-301's and KP-115's to a guy and then he wanted to hear the 450's. While we were at it we spent a few hours digging through my pile o stuff and dragged out the Pro La Scalas and a pair of KP-250's and let it rip. I have had these for a few weeks before I got them right with recapping and discovering the wires in one bass bin hooked up wrong and never tested them side by side with the others. It was pretty shocking how much better the 450's were over the La Scalas and that includes the sharp thump your chest bass and percussion I used to be so proud of with the La Scalas. The other stuff sounded kind punky by comparison to and it was a real eye opener. The guy who just bought the KP setup wanted to know if I could sell them for him so he could get one of the upcoming KP-456's. Bill H you are so right these are really fabulous speakers and the absolute end of any idea I ever had about wanting homeowner stuff like Cornwalls or K-Horns. I can only imagine what the 456's are going to sound like. If you have never heard these and you get a chance do so.

Spot on. No it has not been interesting and never any concrete results. At some point in time you have to do something besides talk if you want to be taken seriously..

Yes to taking this never ending search story out of Alerts which is about what is available to buy now somewhere.

" Oh and MDF is about 40% cheaper than Baltic Birch, so gee, I wonder why they use it. ". Please do not imply that accountants make decisions engineers have to try and make work as best they can. Just for the heck of it Google "MDF versus Baltic Birch for professional speaker cabinets" and see what the consensus is there and gobs of reasons for Baltic Birch.

As a guy who buys old and works on it and then sells it I can tell you MDF no matter what the manufacturing claims for it is inferior. Veneer picks out at the edges much easier as the MDF crumbles away from humidity or knocks. Screws holes do not have the the same durability. Drop an MDF cabinet and tell me about it. Yes I know this is not supposed to happen but it does. Good sharp cutting tools give great sharp routed shapes and you want life buy carbide and cut for a long time on MDF OR Baltic Birch. If all things are equal meaning Baltic Birch thickness the same as MDF is there a study that demonstrates the superiority of MDF? I would like to read it although it would be academic interest only since the mechanical aspects of MDF alienate me.

That's what I think too and when I want to be amused I go to Audiogon and read up on $20,000.00 speaker wires. But if you spend more it absolutely is better no matter the physics involved in direct relationship to the amount spent. I have never heard the Heresy III's but I have heard Heresy I's and II's. The II's sounded tinny to me and I pulled the drivers out and there sat a tiny driver on the mid range and a tiny driver on the Tweeter and way thin wires to everything. On my shelf is a pair of K-55-v + K-700 horn's and that pretty well sums it up. I would buy more I's at the right price but I have no interest in the II's and above. Birch yes MDF no. Let me put it this way. If I were to build for myself I would choose Birch.

Me to. It is hard to imagine something like a screw could vibrate hard enough to be very audible.

OK with a red face I will proceed and perhaps I can help someone out. I had a crackle in heavy bass songs on a pair of Fortes I had just reworked. I had ohmed and frequency swept all drivers while re-capping the crossovers. All was well I thought until I played them. I eliminated all possibilities of everything except one speaker. The woofer had a screw stuck to the magnet and all screws were accounted for visibly so I must have picked one up from my workbench somehow. When volume reached a certain level the crackle would begin. All is well and the errant screw is in the toolbox where it belongs.

If you were asking me I just sent money to Tim for four and I think that was all the singles he had left

Sold for $300 + $56 shipping

No these would be pointing to the front with whatever speakers I use them with.

Dean is an OK guy. Sold him two sets of La Scalas some time back and we talk periodically since then. What he has is to rich for my blood but then I am a cheap skate and enjoy the hunt and fixing up of bargains not that they always turn out that way.

What I was contemplating was using a right or left side to reduce the footprint. This would in time be paired with two Pro La Scalas so I am not worried about higher notes.

OK this is off topic perhaps but since all you MWM owners are here I have a question. Are these good for deep organ and Cello music? Is there any reason I can't build a false corner and stand these up on end to save space?

Funny you mention that. I had turned up a pair of KP-450's I bought the other day and the objects on my sheet metal table close by were hopping right along with the music. I bet the TL-770's would dump them on the floor.

This is what puzzles me about this kind of literature. It also says " High acoustic output to below 20 Hz" and to me that means far lower than 40HZ and still at more than adequate volume levels and " High output ability in the 20- to 40-Hz range is also ideal for very-low-frequency synthesized effects, down-tuned bass guitars or pipe organ" which is exactly what I want. Would you also consider the Klipsch 884 to be in the typical ported pro box category?

OK I have searched for an answer but have not found a good one. I read that cloth is claimed to be sonically transparent and wonder how much perf metal grilles interfere. It seems that the 62% open area is about as good as you can get and still have decent protective strength and what precisely does that flat 38% reflective barrier do to sound quality?

Music. I am strictly a 2 channel guy but love organ music.

Sold for 225.00.

I have one to top that. Two pairs 1984 pro La Scalas one missing tweets and the other the doghouse covers and K-33's. Cabinets beat up and you can own this dream for $1,600 and they will also let you keep those yummy AL crossovers to. Probably signed too but covered in black paint.

I can say for sure the older KP-250's with the cloth grille (mine are from 1989) and K-42-K woofers are much better sounding than the newer ones with the K-42-KP woofers. I have both in the shop right now and have played them side by side and the K-42-K woofer speakers are every bit as good as Forte's just lacking the same depth of bass. The crossovers are identical so I think I can rule them out. If I keep a pair for the other side of my shop out of KP-260's, KP-262's, KP-250 newer versions Heresy's or the older KP-250's the older KP-250's win hands down.

Well as the subtopic heading says subwoofers of all flavors so I ask. I want a good subwoofer and I have been offered some EV TL-770's. The specs are pretty good and seem to be quite close to Klipsch 884's. Does anyone have knowledge of these preferably you have heard them? How about the quality in general with EV?

Yes you are. You are not listening to the collective voices of reason that speak from experience so you don't have to learn the hard way. I think you just like the conversations and are not serious about arriving at a destination. Hey Jimbo, My wife says the same thing when all she hears is boom boom boom from the shop. Does that count to?