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---------------- On <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />5/1/2005 9:44:05 AM McKlipsch wrote: <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> "Question is what is the right type of denatured alcohol to use or do you even need it?" ---------------- As previously stated, its been awhile, but I recall using 91% Isopropyl alcohol (9% H2O) thats available at any drugstore for approximately $1.00 per pint bottle . DO NOT use rubbing alcohol, which is a mixture of Isopropyl, lanolin and H2O. I believe you could also use grain alcohol which is approximately 95% alcohol (5% H2O) and is considerably more expensive. In any case, I have excellent results using 91% Isopropyl alcohol. I dont recall if the directions suggest it, but use an empty and clean dishwashing liquid bottle with a push to close top to store the mixture. It will keep for a reasonable amount of time in such a container, and can be easily squirted onto the records. I used small (~6-8 oz.) plastic cups to stack several records in a tower to dry. It was my recollection that the surfactant was included, but it's been some time and I wasn't certain so I didn't want to indicate anything more than, "don't sweat the surfactant." Please post your results and opinions.

---------------- On <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />4/30/2005 2:52:51 PM r.cherry wrote: <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> "... the insurance co. isn't going to like that one bit." ---------------- While traveling by car with two bicycles (tires pointing skyward) attached to a roof rack, the whole rack came loose. The rack and the bikes slid down the rear window and came to rest on the rear deck lid, scratching the finish in several places. The insurance adjuster started to indicate that it was a collision between two vehicles (bike and car) and, therefore, he felt it wasn't covered. To which I replied, what if I'd had a boat on the rack, would you call it a collision between a car and a boat? I was able to slap some sense into him. They paid for the bodywork on the car. It's an adjusters nature to try to deny everything; many people will just roll over and go away.

Too far from Motown. It makes sense that the density of Speakerlab products would increase the closer one gets to the Emerald City.

That's an old joke. It's a good joke; but one that's been recycled to fit the recent passings of the two principals.

Where are they located?

Another irreplaceable loss.

---------------- On <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />4/28/2005 6:36:58 AM Frzninvt wrote: <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> The back! He installed some false walls on the sides of them, these can generate very nice bass without a corner trust me! They will leave a La Scala or Belle in the dust. ---------------- I did the same thing. The four speakers arrived in 1/4" plywood shipping crates. I used the plywood from the crates to attach "false corners" just as in your photo. Although not pretty or perfect, it worked for me. If the bass was improved by actually positioning the speakers in a good corner (false corners still attached) it was not clearly discernible. Most of the time, the speakers were free-standing.

Thanks for the photos. Now I can show my 22 year-old son what I used in my old business. The finish looks much better than I expected. It's surprising that you were so impressed with their performance when compared to your Khorns. The four I had rocked many a gymnasium, cafeteria, wedding reception, etc.in 1975-1976. They never failed to impress the crowd. My Speakerlab SK-Horns were raw plywood, which I painted black. They had the smaller T-35, along with the aluminum squawker horn and Atlas driver. Now I'm motivated to see if I can track down those old speakers. I sold the whole set-up as an ongoing mobile DJ business in 1976, so it's extremely unlikely that I can hunt them down, but you never know until you try.

John- Very very cool. Have you ever experimented with laying them on their sides? I recall reading that perhaps that positioning option was part of the reasoning behind the vertical Cornwalls. In any event, I agree with the Forum members who have suggested that production of the mirror image vertical Cornwalls was discontinuned to streamline production; no longer a left or right, but just a single version.

---------------- On <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />4/28/2005 5:05:57 AM Frzninvt wrote: <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> "...I ran these last night in the rear with my '77 Khorn's and guess what, they can easily outperform them in the LF and HF portions..." ---------------- Now I really regret selling those four SKs in 1976, but it's hard to imagine dragging four black plywood obelisks around the many moves these last 29 years. Theyre probably languishing in someones garage or basement in the Detroit area. I look forward to the photos.

The bass in my four Speakerlab SK-Horns was always good, but I never comapred it directly to real Khorns. One customer called to book a return engagement of my mobile DJ business and wanted to know if the price quoted included the drummer. It took me a while to persuade her that there had never been a drummer. Those four big horns had tight deep bass, even when not in perfect corners. I used the plywood shippoing crates to fashion permanently attached false corners.

---------------- On <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />4/27/2005 6:53:07 PM William F. Gil McDermott wrote: <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> I wouldn't put the SK on a par with the real McCoy. OTOH it has a lot in common. Gil ---------------- I agree that they werent as good as the real McCoy, but at less than $400 each (1975) with free shipping, they were perfect for my purposes. Even PWK agreed (the one time I met and spoke with him) that it was better that I subject knock-offs to such abuse rather than his speakers. The tweeters in my four SKs were definitely EV T-35s. Using 300 watts /channel (into 4 ohms) of SS Dynaco power to play those four 8 ohm speakers at ear bleed levels earned me membership in the tweeter diaphragm of the week club. EV was kind enough to allow me to have an open account. Id fry a tweeter or two each week. A Monday telephone call to EV in Buchanan, Michigan would have the diaphragm(s) at my door by Thursday, along with an invoice for approximately $11.00/diaphragm.

At the right price theyre a bargain. I used my four SKs (8 ohm, two per side powered by Dynaco ST-400) to deafen adolescents all over greater <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Detroit in 1975 and 1976.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> How about posting a picture when you get a chance? I never had a chance to do a direct A/B comparison to real Khorns. Since you also have the genuine article, I'd be interested in your opinion after you've had a chance to listen to the clones for a while.

Are they 4 ohm or 8 ohm? Do they use L-pads?

My '75 vintage Speakerlab Sk-Horns (4 used in mobile DJ bisiness) had woofers that looked like Eminence, but might have been manufacured by Speakerlab, the squawker drivers were Atlas (as were Klipsch) and the tweeters were EV T-35 (as were Klipsch). Nevertheless, Speakerlab used different drivers in various combinations at various times. It's difficult to predict what you might find.

To most casual Klipschophiles a Cornwall II has the plastic lens tweeter and squawker (like the Heresy II) shown in the attachment.

There are IIs from the 60s and 70s that still have EV T-35 tweeters. There are non-IIs during that same period, and up through approximately 85, that also use EV T-35 tweeters and then there are IIs after 85 that have tweeters like those used in Heresy IIs of the same vintage.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Many people seem to forget about the apparently random use of the II designation as it was applied to Cornwalls before 1986. It appears that the plain or II designations have come to mean pre or post 1986, rather than vertical or horizontal. It's only my opinion; I could be completely wrong about the following generalizations. To most casual Klipschophiles a <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Cornwall (vertical or horizontal) has the EV metal tweeter as depicted in the attachment to this post, and a Cornwall II has the plastic lens tweeter and squawker (like the Heresy II) shown in the next post.

Now this is good, an interesting thread with a sense of humor; and no PC police. So far, no one is complaining that theyre offended by humor based on paper products. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Fini, do you know who actually bought them, preferably a true Forum member, not an eBay opportunist? It would be interesting to hear the whole storey and to see photos.

---------------- On 4/25/2005 7:31:05 PM AZNracerx1989 wrote: they are good.. but old... im guessing new speakers today sound better..---------------- Wrong guess on a Forum dominated by old guys, many with speakers that are older than you are. Those of us who prefer Klipsch Heritage (most at least 20 years-old) prefer tham to anything new, including Klipsch. Old speakers today sound better.

In the early 70s, it was my good fortune to meet PWK at a seminar put on by The Stereo Shoppe of East Lansing, MI. He was explaining the shortcomings of Klipschs short-lived experiment with licensing its designs to Electro Voice. In mid syllable he asked me, Do you know what a Patrician is? Before I could reply that it was an EV speaker, he continued, Someone who steps out of the shower to take a leak.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> It was an amazing experience. He was the real McKlipsch.

You're right. With the stuff in Norm's New Yankee Workshop, building a Khorn bass bin would be substantially easier. Nevertheless, the reason to do it would be to experience the enjoyment and personal satisfaction of DIY; not merely to save money.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

RickB Its understood that you appreciate the fair way in which youve been treated by this dealer. My comment is not meant to denigrate the dealer or you. Ive used the term myself, but is it truly accurate?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> IMHO, the words: fair, honest and pregnant are alike in the sense that you either are or you are not: fair or honest or pregnant. Ive never met someone who is sort of pregnant, sort of honest or sort of fair. Fair, IMHO, is a mutually dependent term. If a deal is fair, its fair for all concerned, therefore, how can it be more than fair for one party without being less than fair for the other party? Fair is fair.

No experience with Forte, but Cornwalls over Heresies would get my vote. Theyre better in every way, including imaging, except footprint and cost (usually). <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> After years of satisfied use of Heresies, on eBay I saw Cornwalls 30 minutes from here that absolutely had to be picked up by <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />2/14/05. I sensed an opportunity that I couldnt let pass. I assured my wife that it was a temporary purchase. Long short, I paid $475 with every intention of offering them to Forum members at a reasonable (but profitable) price. Now Im trying to get my wife adjusted to the idea that theyre ours (read mine) indefinitely.

Is the cabinet that started out lighter a Heresy II? If so, am I correct that the backs on IIs are not removabale, .i.e., the need for the irregularly shaped openings in the motorboard to permit installation/removal of the compression drivers?

---------------- On 4/24/2005 6:00:13 PM RickB wrote: He has always been more than fair to me. Is that like being more than honest? ----------------