CoryGillmore

I’ve often heard that putting a TV between two high end loudspeaker is one of the worst things you can do to a pair of high end loudspeakers…. So it got me to thinking…what if I cover up the TV with something that doesn’t reflect sound when not watching TV…so I came up with this… Honestly though I can’t figure out if it sounds better, worse or if I’m just an idiot…. Sometimes (with blanket on) I feel like center imaging is better and that some sounds have the edge taken off, less shouty. But then sometimes with blanket off I feel like the sound could be more livelier? What do you all think?

Gorgeous speakers! And yes they'll sound even better once you get them in a more optimal position in your home. I know a lot of guys toe these things in crazy amounts but I found that in my house they sound best as close to the wall as possible and toed-in just ever so slightly.

Yep I've seen numerous reviews where the reviewer ended up putting Heresys on speaker stands and recommended doing so.

I'm strongly considering a CXA81 to power my CWIVs. What speakers is your powering? I'm also looking at the Rotel that's about $500 more.

I'm strongly considering the CX81 myself. I like that it has balanced XLR inputs so that I could go XLR from my Schiit Modius into the CX81. Currently I'm going from the Modius into an Onkyo TXNR757 A/V receiver via RCA and I tell you what: bypassing the internal DAC of that Onkyo was one of the best audio upgrades I've ever done. I wasn't even a true believer in DACs up to that point. And maybe it isn't the DAC chip that made the difference, maybe it was just bypassing the noisy internals of the receiver. But whatever it was, it was night and day.

Oh yes I love APC! It was actually their last album "Eat The Elephant" that led me to really exploring and becoming obsessed with Tool. I couldn't really get into Puscifer but I do love that cover Maynard does of Bohemian Rhapsody. Great stuff.

Awesome! Just picked up a 100ft roll from Amazon. Of 12 guage, that is.

My room is also mostly opened up to another room. I think this does add to a lively room, which I'm glad because I couldn't visually deal with the speakers being setup anything other than perfectly symmetrical in my room lol.

Wow what a thread! Thanks for sharing this! Incredible work!

After about a month of ownership I've come to the conclusion that getting too aggressive with toe-in can really diminish the sense of scale, and narrow the soundstage. Which I suppose would make sense. I've found the sweet spot for them in my room to be about as close to the corner wall as possible (2 inches on side wall, about 8 inches on back wall), and toe them in just ever so slightly. Room is pretty small, 11ft wide, 16ft long and 7ft ceilings. One day I'm going to build a house here with a purpose built listening room.

Agreed on the Tool shows! Hey that's awesome you've seen them 3 times though! I only just became obsessed with Tool in January 2019. So thankfully I only had to wait 8 months for their long awaited follow-up to 10,000 Days lol. I absolutely adore Fear Inoculum for critical listening. On my CWIVs, 10k Days and Fear Inoculum sound best. Lateralus and Aenima can sound too shouty at times. Undertow may actually sound good though, I can't remember.

AKA "making your brain itch" haha., Not good for your health lol. I was not impressed with the SQ at the Tool show, at least from my seat. I felt like the speakers they used were being stressed too much and the whole time I was thinking how Tool sounded better on my headphone rigs haha. This was before I bought my Cornwall IVs.

I saw Tool last year in Memphis and it was waaaaaaay higher than 95-100db. I would guess 115db. It was so loud that my ears felt like they were stuffed with cotton for a few hours after. If I ever go to another rock concert like that I WILL wear ear protection of some kind. When I really want to rock out with my CWIVs I hit volume levels of about 105db peaks. I don't listen at this volume for more than a few songs. My sweet spot is usually 95db peaks. Which, honestly, is still too loud for extended listening. My listening position is 9ft away from the speakers and it's here where I do my measurements.

My bet is you had it shorted. I didn't like the way it looked just judging from the picture you posted. I think it's very likely some bare wire from the positive terminal was touching bare wire from the negative terminal. Glad you got it worked out though.

Just to add: my room is pretty damn small. 10.5ft wide X17ft long and only 7ft tall ceilings. I think Klipsch recommends CWIVs be 6 feet apart minimum and that's about exactly what mine are. They also recommend ceilings of 8ft tall minimum and I'm a good foot under than recommendation. I don't notice any kind of wild reflections or anything though and the sense of scale is still amazing. I'm still not 100% sure on the "best" toe-in placement in my room, I still have experimenting to do.

This is what I ended up with. I installed furniture sliders under my CWIVs. I would suggest you do the same. You can thank me later haha. Also be sure you have a tape measure handy. I don’t know about you but I’m super OCD about the speakers being perfectly symmetrical and a tape measure will help you achieve just that.

Honestly, I'm using an R-25C at the moment.....so an RC-64III couldn't possibly be worse than that haha. I'm also considering not using a center at all. I find the Cornwall IVs to produce a fantastic center image on their own. Running them in 2 channel stereo while watching movies/TV, the sound of someone speaking appears as if it's coming right out of the TV screen. It's actually pretty badass. So let me pose this question: would you not use a center channel at all before you used a non-Heritage center channel? Is that what you call a "phantom center"?

Absolutely! And in my experience the Cornwall IV does not like grainy effects. I tried listening to the new Chevelle album, an album I really like, and I found it completely unlistenable on my CWIV. Album is great on any of the headphones in my collection.

To me it seems like he's genuinely looking for input or help.....but he's not very good with putting it into words. He's not a troll. It also doesn't help when the moderator edits his post down to be even more unintelligible.....For seemingly no other reason than to be petty. I was only able to read the OP because someone else quoted it and even though it wasn't the easiest thing to understand, it doesn't take a genius to understand that he lowered the sub output by 3db on the receiver end and raised it by 2db on the back of the sub....

I'm basically obsessed with Tool. IMO, 10,000 Days and Fear Inoculum sound fantastic on my CWIV. A lot of parts on the Lateralus album sound kinda harsh to my ears, same with Aenima. Right In Two (from 10k Days) is currently one of my absolute favorite songs to blast on my CWIV.

Moderator you are petty for that LMAO 🤣😂🤣

So what's the consensus on the best non-Heritage center channel to pair with Cornwall IVs? Obviously another Cornwall IV or Heresy IV or Forte IV would be best, but for space reasons that isn't even close to feasible. So is the RC-64 III the best pairing as far as traditional center channels go?

Last night I had quite the listening experience listening to Becks 2014 album "Morning phase" on my Klipsch Cornwall IVs. This album is so warm, lush and just cozy to listen to. Really amazing bass on this record which translates well to the Cornwall IVs. Anyone looking to evaluate the bass on their Cornwall IV should give it a listen.

I would say yes, for home theater applications. But for music alone, I find the CWIV to be incredible on its' own.

Agreed. Average consumers are pretty much only impressed by room shaking bass. Since I took delivery of CWIVs almost a month ago: I've not watched a single movie, I've only listened to music and I've had my cheap Klipsch subs disconnected. Though I am sourcing a sub woofer amp to power two JL Audio 13w6 subs in a sealed enclosure I used to have in a truck. I've found the 1000 watt Dayton and am considering it strongly. Any other options that won't break the bank?