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"the Bluesound node 2i is excellent and with a good dac the sound can be amazing." Why would you want to do that? Bluesound Node2i IS a DAC.

"Besides the price, what is Roon's most important advantage compared to a Qobuz or Tidal or Spotify subscription?" I personally haven't used Roon yet. But from I understand (so far) is Roon ties all the apps, subscriptions and any other online media or your local area network files from computers or other servers, it ties them all together to be accessed/controlled from one place (Roon). Roon apparently goes out and collects all the pertinent metadata and organizes it for you (your media). For those who miss the cover art and other written documentation that was originally supplied on LP, and to a lesser extent, CD, Roon (I think) pulls all that together for you automatically, seamlessly in one place. Personally, I think the subscription sources will eventually have all this too. I've only had Tidal for a year and there have been lots of changes/improvements. The search function can still be a bugaboo. It's not "smart" enough yet. Sometimes I have to word the search in a very specific way to find something because of the way it's categorized/catalogued and not cross referenced. If I type in "Telarc" for instance to see all Telarc recordings nothing correct comes up. Same thing with "Tricycle". Tricycle Flim & the BB's is not going to come up. If you misspell "Flim" & the BB's as Film & the BB's - nothing.

It seems a lot you of Klipsch guys love female vocals. Here's a somewhat obscure but wonderful rendition from the past.......................... Anyone remember these gals? Absolutely wonderful harmonies

Roger Waters Amused to Death This recording was made with "Q-Sound" surround sound stereo processing. With the "right" equipment and conditions the imaging way outside, beyond the width of the speaker spacing is uncanny.

For "Live" in concert recordings: Return To Forever The Mothership Returns Great Imaging, sound stage. Very much like being there on my setup. And The Eagles Live 1994 Hotel California

As far amps go it really depends on what you're looking for/want & $. There's a lot to choose from. Vintage or new. Some of my favorites: NAD 3020 (vintage) Dynaco (vintage) NAD D 3045 As far receivers go I've found Onkyo to match well.

Don't run it through the phono input!! That is an additional stage of amplification with very different impedance matching requirement. On top of that it has what is called the RIAA equalization curve which is an inverted frequency curve that reduces bass response on the recording (to save record space/increase recording time) and re-inverts it at the phono preamp. The mixer shouldn't be used as a "preamp". Just use the line level outs into the receiver's line level input.

Expensive? For the "record" (pun intended) I figure I was spending at least $300 to $500 a year on vinyl and CD. Tidal Hi-Res/Masters costs $240/yr. And at this time I already get almost everything I already have on vinyl and CD, plus millions more tracks, plus videos and other goodies that I'll probably never use. But for me the real reason was sound quality. The Roon pay up front "lifetime" option is $699. The problem with this is - just like a "lifetime warranty" it's only good as long as the company exists. And with the kind of technological rate-of-change we see today I have to balance that with how many "Boomer Years" I may have left. I have to admit I don't like the subscription/rent thing either. But just like with, say a car, at this point in my life it makes no sense for me buy another one. I can lease (rent) a nicer one for less than buying it. I drive so little now I'll have positive equity at the end of the lease which gets rolled over into the next lease further lowering the payment. And so it now is with audio. Less cost to rent than own. In return I get more music. I can spend more time listening to music (as opposed to looking for an LP, cleaning the stylus and vinyl, etc). Better quality sound. More convenience. I get to spend the balance on more gear or instruments (or my other vice, model railroading).

The question is: are there any downsides to using big speakers in a small room (aside from the obvious financial one, of course)? Not really. But at some point, like my example using Khorns in an apartment bedroom, it just doesn't do the speaker system any justice. You can't get back far enough to let the sound from the speaker drivers to blend and sound cohesive. The room surfaces are too close to the horns/drivers and undesirable short term reflections interfere, same for where you are sitting listening. While it still "works" and may work better than some cheapo crappo alternative you won't get what you're paying for. Back in the day there was only the Klipsch "Heritage" line although it wasn't called "Heritage". Klipsch offered "unfinished" versions, usually in raw birch. You stained and finished them yourself to save a few bucks. There was even a "decorator" model Khorn - just bare bones. And yeah, looking back on those days I wonder how I managed to afford any of that stuff. I guess it just goes to show that if you really want something you'll find a way (and it doesn't have to be illegal or anything), just a matter of priorities I guess.

I suspect (based on my experience) that the RP8000 will sound bigger - as in "fuller", more robust. But I wouldn't necessarily call it a bigger sound stage. Another story: When I built my dedicated listening room some 35 years ago, I was using Klipschorns with a Belle Klipsch (similar to LaScala) center speaker. The speakers were on the short wall (<20'). Late one night on a whim, I decided to move one of the Khorns to the opposite corner of the room - on the long wall. The Khorns were then >28' apart. WHOA. I was amazed at the sound stage. Everything "opened up". Even though I felt the room wasn't really deep enough (not enough space behind me) it was amazing how large and expanded the sound stage became. It was more like "I was IN the place/space where the music was made". BTW, just for the record, I bought the (unfinished) Khorns as a college graduation present for myself. And they were initially in the apartment bedroom (12'x14') before moving back to Chicago. It never did them any justice. Yes, they sounded better than anything Bose (IMO). But never anything like when I used them in a minimally appropriate sized room with reasonably good proportions for good acoustics, especially farther apart.

I've heard a lot of good things about Roon. An NAD/Bluesound guy at AXPONA last year was explaining it to me. He really loved it. I guess my main issue is another subscription to pay. But, if you want more of the pictures/graphics that typically went along with physical media I suppose it's a good start in that direction. Usually what I'm looking for is more documentation about the recording - recording/mastering engineer, recording location, equipment used, etc which usually wasn't mentioned on most commercial LP anyway.

"I’m considering getting the 8000 and selling the 160s now. Let me know if you have any thoughts on that kind of setup (towers + 12 inch sealed sub)." That should be fine. "The whole point is to have a more immersive experience. At the moment, the sound stage sounds small, despite my room not being so big." Bigger speakers are probably not going to make for a much bigger sound stage - in the same small room. Here's a little story. Many, many moons ago (my early 20's) I went to see/hear the Chicago Symphony Orchestra. I had never heard a full symphony orchestra & chorus at that point. I didn't have any "classical" records at that point either. I was totally blown away at the shear scale, and volume of the music. I had no idea it could be so loud. And I was used to playing in some good rock bands for years. I went out and bought Gustav Holst's The Planets, Zubin Mehta/Los Angeles Philharmonic (London). I had a pretty good stereo - in my bedroom - about the same size as yours. JBL L-100, Thorens TD160, B&O phono pickup, Crown IC150 preamp/Crown D60 power amp. When I put that recording on I was so disappointed. I turned it up. I moved the speakers as far apart as I could. Nothing. Absolutely NOTHING like the real experience. I figured I needed a bigger sound stage. To my mother's dismay I moved everything out to the living room, probably something like 16'x20'. Wow, did I run out of gas fast!!!!! That 42 watt/ch Crown didn't cut it. The JBL studio monitors didn't cut it. And there still wasn't a big enough sound stage. The point is, you're not going to achieve that in a small room regardless of what you do. Maybe some kind of surround sound may make it more immersive for you. You are on a journey. And you have entered the Twilight Zone. Have FUN.

Your Yamaha stereo receiver does not produce that .1 channel. Another good point!!!!!

And then there's the amplifier. How are you going to connect these speakers together? Isn't your receiver "stereo"? If you connect them in series the speaker's combined impedance is cumulative (8+8=16) reducing the power output delivered to the speakers in half. If you connect them in parallel then the combined impedance is half (8/2=4) which would cause the amplifier to put out twice the power. That may be enough to cause the amplifier to give up the ghost as it tries to produce more current than it is capable of at certain frequencies. Some of the better amps can tolerate that. Most run of the mill consumer gear not so much.

I think that is a very bad idea - to combine the RP60 with another pair of speakers, of any kind, doing exactly the same thing, especially in close proximity to each other, especially in a relatively small room. There is so much wrong with that idea. I understand where you're coming from. When I was a youngster I tried the same thing, many times, with many different kinds of speakers, both additive as you are considering, or just putting them in the rear corners of a small room or as center speakers. If you want to experiment, that's ok. That's how we learn. But don't expect a better result. It may sound impressive at first. But as you grow "audio wise" (pun intended) you'll realize how inappropriate it is.

Are you saying you want to add an additional pair of speakers, floor standing ones? Do you intend to use them at the same time with the RP60? (I was assuming you would be replacing the RP60)

N I C E !!!!! Nice...................NICE NICE!! !!NICE!!! 🤩

Of course! That's exactly why God can't do everything. 👿 🙉 🙊 🙈

Thank You Yes, Sir! (pun intended). Set me back a few bucks. But at this point in my life I figure I probably have more money than I do time so what the hell. 😎