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Whose interests are being served by a decline in moral values and a weakening of the family? A teen gets pregnant and shes a victim. Somebody gets hooked on drugs or alcohol and theyre a victim. A kid skips 80% of the school year and he/she is a victim. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> If leadership really wanted dads to raise little girls with a sense of pride and moral fiber, theyd find a way to emphasis such behavior. If they cared about truancy, literacy and bad behavior they wouldnt excuse it. tkd - you dont really see a difference in the 70s and what goes on today?

Its a shame you cant compare the two because thats exactly what you should do if you want to be sure. You know, eyes closed and then back and forth between different but familiar music. Having said that; with your amp & pre-amp, I might prefer the Heritage Line here.

Ok, this is strange: The AJA CD sounds better on my SS based system than it does on either tube based set-up. Maybe the vocals are getting to me, (not my favorites, as mentioned before) but darn if it doesnt seem brighter on tubes!

Are you dissing my basic Scott 299 buster? [:'(] At least I wasn't fool enough to get rid of mine! []

Hey thanks! That's exactly what I was interested in. I'll never figure it out but I have a friend who probably can.

If money is an issue, consider a Scott 299. If you can dig a bit deeper, check out a pair of Nos/Valves VRDs. I've used both options with Cornwalls and they perform incredibly well.

Wardsweb said, studying the transcribed Steve Gadd drum solo this was one of those performances you learn how to play your instrument from.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It would seem you would have to be very adept at your instrument before even attempting this or any other Steve Gadd solo. Hes UFB! Where did you see a transcription and is it possible to pick one up? Im not a big fan of the vocals but the music is fantastic and even the CD is well recorded. I ordered the LP today and it will be enjoyable to compare.

Jeff, <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> The last time I was at Flanner Audio I saw the La Scalas but did not have a listen. I might try to do so this week tho. I recall visiting the back room at the old Flanner & Hafsoos (sp) when they were at <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Mayfair. The room had Klipsch & McIntosh all over the place but unfortunately, it was far out of a recently married college kids budget. The head tech that you speak of was on board at that time, knew his stuff then and has since brought many a Macs up to or over factory spec. Not only is he a great tech & great guy, but he was a pretty good infielder that I played softball with and against for many years. The MX 113 is in good hands.

In a world somewhat void of bargains you certainly found one. I enjoy figured wood and that veneer is quite nice. So is the sound, Id bet. Congratulations!<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

Jeff, I've known that tech for over 30 years and his knowledge and service are as good as it gets.

Kaiser - you have a PM

Tom I was thinking about you the other night. Had the girls tennis team over and showed them Step Into Liquid. Told um I had a friend that could handle that 66 footer.[] <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Catch a big one and Happy Birthday!

If you have the ability to adjust the Forte IIs, I would recommend using them as your two main speakers. By adjust, I mean wall placement because they need some space from the rear wall. Use one RC 35 for the center and the RF 25s for the rear or surrounds. Look for an Academy buy it sell the RC 35s. Look for Quartets buy them and sell the RF 25s. Youll be very happy.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

You might want to look at a Pro-Ject Turntable in Basic Black for under $300, (new). Decent cart included. I had one and found it to be an excellent value.

Buckeye_Nut said: "What receiver do you have now? If you already have a decent receiver, adding extra power will make a subtle improvement, but nothing significant. Personally, I think you may be barking up the wrong tree as you seek improvements. Have you ever considered improving the room itself? The room plays an extremely vital role in sound reproduction, and I think you'd be better served if you addressed the room acoustics. There is a major difference between a treated soundroom vs untreated, and you'd be amazed at how much better your Ultra THXII system can really perform in the correct environment. I suggest you budget the $750 towards a room upgrade, and you'll truly be amazed." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Excellent advice!

I have a 299, (updated by Craig a few years ago) and I enjoy it very much. Its in a small room with a pair of Forte IIs. I also have a set of drums in that room and on occasion, I play along. The 299 has plenty of oomph to hear the music over my pounding! I like jazz and classical and with both, the 299 provides an excellent sound stage.

When I did use the RSW 10 it was in a 17 X 17 family room that was fairly open on two sides. The sub was used with 2 Forte IIs, an Academy and either Heresys, KG 2.5s or KG 2.1s. I think the sub worked well in that room and certainly better than an older KSW 12 that I had borrowed. Ceiling heights 9 feet. I think an RSW 10 would suit you well. Both the RSW 12 & 15 are substantially larger. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> BTW, I guess I cant offer you my RSW 10. The kid threw a fit when I mentioned it and claims he has first dibs. Although I will not allow him to take it to his college apartment, (for the obvious reasons); I guess he can have it when he graduates in June.

I have an RSW 10 that has sat dormant a couple of years. In fact, it probably has less than 60 hours usage. Black Ash it is with no imperfections. I have the original box and packing materials so if youre interested send me a PM. Please note I do have a friend that has expressed interest in the sub but if he waves it off it will be available to Forum Members.

I think its reasonable to assume that the G-Man is one of the big reasons why so many have continued on with a love for audio, this Forum and friendship in general. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

Did you put the two panels up Damon?

I think were on the same page oldtimer and I agree with frezin to an extent. But the statement: (5) cheap speakers will sound better than (5) quality speakers that you happen to throw together is an irresponsible comment. That website is sellin something. (2) Cornwalls, an Academy and two KG2.5s will blow 999,999 out of a million people away. So will (3) Cornwalls and (2) KS-525 THXs. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> I agree that Forte IIs & Quartets are really a perfect match. Same drivers and same crossovers. They have outstanding bass and clarity. I think the Academy works very well with Forte IIs and Quartets and although I agree there is a slight issue here, Id bet there are very few people who would notice a difference in timbre between a 3rd Forte II and an Academy. I also think that adding a pair of KS-525s would enhance the overall experience. The Academy also works well with Cornwalls; a fact that has been attested to by many on this Forum. Frezin It was the SACD version and a Yamaha RX-V2600 and Denon BVD 5910 were used in the process. I have no doubt your system sounds great but I believe you place too much emphasis on timbre match. Several of your comments have been quite strong and I think that can create an unnecessary dilemma for some, especially if they have limited space and/or limited resources. I also think you should gain some experience with Wide Dispersion Surround Technology before you condem its use with older Klipsch product.

Most of us have to compromise. I might enjoy having the proper space to make use of (7) Cornwalls. Yeah, I can fit (7) in the room but they would be seriously in the way and less ineffective than other options. Remember, I tried (5) Cornwalls and I tried (3) Cornwalls and two Heresys. I personally think the KS-525s, on the side walls, perform better in my space. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> OK, I just listened to Dark Side of the Moon and I noticed no issues with timbre. (2) <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Cornwall mains, a vertical Cornwall at center and (2) KS-525 THX Speakers on the side walls. I dont claim to have great ears but I do claim that mine are as good as most. If you consider and accept that., (there are those on the Forum who will support that statement) then you cant possibly claim that, for most people, a difference in timber, (front to side or front to rear) matters very much, if at all. You just cant say that unless you have exceptional ears and then only if youve heard all options in the same or a very similar room. So to state, without a fair amount of listening experience with both options, that (2) additional Cornwalls would sound better than (2) KS-525s is irresponsible. Keep in mind that I am not saying that side or rear channel speakers do not contribute to the overall experience. Im saying that Im not convinced that you have to have (5) like speakers in 5.1 or (7) in 7.1 to achieve outstanding sound quality and that I believe that Klipschs Wide Dispersion Surround Technology is a plus whether timber matched or not.

Why would I want to hear the sound of a trumpet, (especially the same trumpet) from forward and behind? If I wanted to hear anything from the side or rear it would be crowd noise and that would sound best dispersed. If youre talking about hearing the trumpet sound after bouncing off the rear and side walls then that would sound best dispersed as well. Have you ever heard (on two channel) a high hat on one speaker, a kick drum on the other and a guitar in between? It might be ok if its background music but if youre sitting there listening and feeling the band its annoying as heck. Ain't no drummer with legs that long! If its classical orchestra, I want to hear the violins to my left and the violas to my right. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Give me an example of where you have actually noticed a timbre miss-match. You know, a specific part of a DVD. Ill lug a couple Cornwalls back in the HT room and give it a go. Don't make something up tho'! Cornwalls are heavy and pain in the butt to move.[]

From a knowledgeable source on this Forum: <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> It takes about 10 feet for the sound from each driver in the heresy to converge into a single coherent wavefront. A wide dispersion speaker is going to have much greater intelligibility in the near field and a more cohesive sound. It is absolutely a decision that must be made based on the acoustical situation of the room in question. Also, mounting a speaker in a different position in the room automatically changes the timbre - by a huge magnitude actually. So any arguments of perfect timbre matching - especially for a surround speaker mounted up high - are theoretical at best. In other words, I think many would be surprised by how well the Ultra2 series surrounds mate with Heritage up front...

The five cheap speaker quote says a lot and indicates a sales pitch to me! Are you trying to tell us that a completely matched (five exact speakers) Sony boxed surround system will sound better than three Cornwalls and two KS -525s? You sayin I should dump my set-up and replace it with five Radio Shack Specials? <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Look, a Klipschorn sounds different than a <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Cornwall and a Cornwallsounds different than a Forte II. Most, but not all, people could tell the difference. In an HT set-up, most people, again not all, would have difficulty telling the difference between (3) Forte IIs and (2) Forte IIs and an Academy. Now thats a cold hard fact! Im also curious to know if that knowledgeable HT website offers a discussion on the impact space has on the overall sound experience. Is timbre altered after sound waves go bouncing around off different objects of density? Do those rear effects sound the same to people sitting three feet apart? Now Frezin dont get me wrong here. If you have the space and funds to make use of big Heritage speakers then thats great. But to jam all that in to a less than adequate space for the sake of timber match seems ridicules. I think Indy has a bunch of La Scalas in his set-up but I recall he also may be using a pair of KS-525s. Perhaps we can get him to jump in here. I know his entire system is top shelf and hes had a lot of people experience it. He should have some good feed back!