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Greetings: Well after quite some time of non-use, I finally have my C20 and MC60s hooked along with my sony 2251 Turntable. All going in to the chorus IIs. Also ran to the Cornwall IIs for a comparison. The Chorus IIs when placed correctly, in corners, just a small movement affects bass output, have a little more bottom. Not a kick in the chest, but a tad more. They sound brighter than the Cornwall IIs. For my 2 cents I think the Cornwall IIs are easier to listen to for longer periods of time. But I have no problems with Chorus IIs, I can bring the brightness down with the C20s loudness control. Otherwise all is flat, bass at the 400 hz position sounds better than the 300 hz. Treble on the -5 position. Turntable and Ortofon still a great match.

Greetings: The 2105 came first. I think around '73 or '74. The 2125 came after. BTW, if you see a Mac designation without the 5 at the end it's the same unit with no meters (anyone want to trade a 2125 for a 2120? LOL)

Greetings: There is no doubt that the 2125 is 5 times better looking than the 2120 (no meters) I have. Same goes for the 2105. There's something very restful and very nice about the blue. I have WebTV and no digital camera otherwise I'd post all of my tube Mac glowing. I finished everything with the variac yesterday. Curious note, the GE 6L6GCs go blue while the RCA blackplates just sit contentedly. It'll be nice to see the 250. Thanks for the pics, Win

Hello: I wholeheartedly agree. Some albums will be included in a boxed set costing way too much. Then on some occasions, a smaller boxed set is released with something different, so if you want it you buy that and have 2 copies of some. Then there's the time span the CD is out - seems much shorter than our albums. And I go back to mastering, a number of the Beatles cds sound fast, and where a strong guitar or vocal was on the album, sounds much different on the CD. And we have Super CDs coming with more info that may or may not play on your Cd player. How do we spell CD - GREED Win

Greetings: For vinyl, we all can remember compressers and everything that you could add to fit as much as you could. And we remember how much dynamic range and how much more lifelike and less expensive CDs were going to be. And now we can see how many times a CD can be "re-mastered" so we will buy another copy. And pigs can fly. The flower child era members will know the difference between vinyl and CD to US. The younger ones will be born to CD. Pops, crackles were inherent to become problem to vinyl. That can be overlooked and kept to a minimum with care. What sounds good to you - CD or vinyl is important. Dean, if you get a TT I have an Ortofon Cartridge (or a Shure) if you want to use. There are several companies making 180 gram. And Disc Washers can still be found. Anyone remember the straight tracking arms? Besides, Crystal Gayle looks much better on the album cover than the cd.

Hello: I've got a 2120 and so far anyone I've talked with had no suggestions. I know it's not the answer desired (by me also), but I thought I'd share. Win dodger

Hello: The speakers that came before those that I mentioned plus the Rebel, Shorthorn AND those with no logo that came before are Heritage. The reason I brought logo into the discussion was the "pie" - PWK" distinction that I am familiar with. I do apologize for not giving recognition to those that did not have a logo - I truly would like to hear them. I for one am slow to accept change. It takes a while. I still miss seeing Heresys, LaScalas, Cornwalls and K-Horns in my Klipsch dealers sound room. I guess a part of me is that 2 channel stereo dinosaur that evolved from Mono. Models of all stereo/HT seem to come and go so fast while the Heritage line seemed to stand for something solid. 3 way, no sub-woofer necessarily needed (I am not saying anything against sub-woofers) models that were around for a while and produced during the Founder's lifetime and involvement with the Company have just always seemed to be his Heritage. Like old friends, they hold a place in our heart. And Mr. Klipsch holds a valued spot in our minds. Enjoy listening, but the changes and additional costs take a while to accept. Even going from Mono to Stereo took a while and we were not thrilled by the added cost. Now we have HT, the change to CDs, and now 180 gram vinyl, DVDs, so many Interconnects, Speaker Cables, Power Cords, Line Conditioners, etc. it seems to be a case of let's change it quick and some of the enjoyment has gone to the changes. Sorry for the ramble, I'm just feeling age today.

Hello: As an old sound/recording engineer the factors are going to be: The Bass used - electric or acoustic How it is miked and the microphone used - a factor in orchestral, symphonic, organ etc. The Amplifier used if it's rock music - tube or SS, eight 10" speakers as in a Traynor or an 18" in an Acoustic brand amplifier Tone settings - on the instrument if electric and on the amplifier and in all cases the settings on the Recording board - its unique sound Mackie vs EV vs Samson vs Behringer etc. Final mixdown and the points of digital, analog, etc. With drums what used to known as the bassdrum is now called the "Kickdrum" Go to a concert now and the Kickdrum is a few db more than in the 70s or 80s. And the list goes on. The LaScala has a longer throw and can reveal flaws in the room - standing waves, brightness, etc.. The urge for more bass has come as a partial result of the Kickdrum microphone with the head inside the drum, better equalizers, single amplifiers that can equal the wattage of all of John Entwhistle's Marshall's together. Improved home audio amplifiers Speakers such as Klipsch that can produce high db so that what is not necessarily such a low note can move your shirt without having to have 200 watts per channel RMS. The bass drivers in the LaScala make a difference I had 2 pair, bought about 18 months apart. 1st pair = great bass, 2nd pair = definitely less bass, Company changed drivers. At that tiem they were nice enough to exchange as long as I paid shipping. HT has also contributed to desire for more bass to equal theater volume for explosions, car crashes, etc. I did have one pair outside for 1/2 hour. Couple watts, all heard halfway down street. A lot of bass is perception from feeling, thus sub-woofer (or K-horn.) There is no right answer only what the owner wants to hear. My LaScalas did great on a low C - Tacotta and Fugue to me. Some want more.

Hello: A good idea would be for those tired of battling a baiter to request that those posts be removed. Please note I'm not condoning censorship, but the language used was out of line in putting down Klipsch Speakers, their owners and the owner's thoughts. That would seem to be a refeernce point of removal. And yes I did use a naughty word in another post, I was using an infamous word unique to the Founder of the Company. If it does offend, I don't mind if that post is removed. This Forum and its "posters" have more class than 99.5% of any other Forum regarding Audio.

Hello: The answer to which are the "actual Heritage" lies within the Klipsch Literature and the PWK Pie logo. The Cornwalls were Heritage and looking at one piece of the Klipsch literature, you have a pair of Klipschorns with a Cornwall as a center. Cornwalls were available in pairs as were the Heresys, LaScalas and the K-Horns. All mentioned above did have at one time the "pie" logo. They all were switched over to the copper logo, and the Heresy and the Cornwall were re-configured with different horns and gained the "II" designation. To note, if one needs a mid-range horn assembly for the Heresy II, the driver is available but the plastic horn is not. The Choruses I and II, Forte's and Quartets (am not familiar with Academys I'm ashamed to say) were produced while Mr. Paul W. Klipsch was still active to a degree. Thus they would have either his blessing or I'm sure we would have heard that he would have called them bull$hit speakers. Thus to me they qualify as Heritage along with forerunners mentioned and those I have not mentioned as they were already in the other posts. It is unique to me that the "pie" is in the left hand of the copper logo - a tribute to the originator.

Greetings: Welcome to the forum, it's a pleasant place to read and learn, or be taught. Glad to have you from a relative newbie. I have the pleasure of owning both. As of yet I have not a - b'd them, but I will agree that a good tube amp OR a good Solid State will bring you to a state of Nirvana. Not listed in my pedigree is a Yamaha CR1000 Receiver, and an NAD 7125 receiver, along with a lot of Adcom (I state that owning the equipment is fun, but the sound is moooore fun.) I've had all of the above sans Adcom hooked to my Cornwall IIs and to a pair of modified Heresys (don't get confused yet) and I can say you won't go wrong with either choice. They are Klipsch and you will get the nuances and definition placement will allow. I respect the original Heritage line and am a true believer that the Cornwall is a part of the ORIGINAL Heritage line. I am also glad that the Choruses have been added since they were produced while PWK still came in to the Hope office a number of times per week. Take some measurements of your listening room/area and figure if you have room to play in placement. Also take some very familiar CDs to listen and note what is driving the speakers. Let your ears help be the judge if placement and what is driving them is good. In the end, you will own Klipsch. Congratulations ahead of time

Greetings: As a user of Telefunkens myself, I enjoy them. Now a bigger debate is whether you get smooth plate or not With McIntosh, the originals seem to be RCA for the most - Richardson for the re-issue. The original Bugle Boys were good also. Just make sure to look for the diamond in between the pins. There are some fakes out there. I found a number of "GAP COMPUTOR" correct spelling, that the ECC83/12ax7s made in Germany were Telefunkens. Bought 18 for $2.00. Didn't know what I had until I was checking the pins and saw the diamond. Further debate is 7025 vs ECC83/12AX7, never tried the 7025's in my MC 60s. I did test some of my original teles and the original Genalex KT88s and they came to within 88% of new. Makes me sad when I see some guitarists change tube every show - eating up a lot of NOS tubes.

Greetings: I've also had success with Tripp Light ISOBARS. As Griffinator (sp?) said it's nice knowing your euipment is protected plus the rfi and emi filtering.

Greetings: I have noticed a number of Klipsch owners using Scott 299s to power the speakers. Does anyone have one for sale ? Must be working well and must be in great Cosmetic shape. If it needs any work it should go to NOS VALVES, then me. dodger (Win, short for Winford)

Greetings: With the exception of the MC 30s, I've owned my McIntosh 60s and my two MC240s since the early 1970s - back when a pair of 60s cost me $209.50. Over the years, I've had friends in stereo stores, borrowed all types/brands of equipment and have not found any that sounded better than my McIntosh (have McIntosh C20 pre-amp.) IMHO, tube equipment now HAS reached cult status, but the prices of McIntosh and Marantz are partially due to the equipment being sold to outside North America dealers/residents and then being sold back at ludicrous prices. Do I think tube McIntosh is good with Klipsch ? All I can say is there are a number of Klipsch employees that would love to own Tube McIntosh. I've owned an MC 2105 - sounded "flat" to ME, others say they love it. I now own a 2120 (a 2125 with no meters), that sounds close to tube - couldn't find a 2125 (would like to.) Close to tube to ME. The absolute closest to tube in a SS, I have found was the SONY V - FETS made in the 70s. Email me and I can give you the name of a reliable tube Mcintosh dealer - no arm and a leg prices that will also give you a warranty. dodger

Greetings: This may be known by most. However, I have found the members of this Forum to be extremely pleasant, helpful and non judgemental. I have asked a number of questions and on one occasion, vented. No-one has been anything but helpful or as I said, pleasant. I realize we all share a common ground in our owership of Klipsch Speakers, but it is quite refreshing that people accept you and make you feel accepted. For all of that, I thank you. Win "dodger"

Greetings: I have heard of a sound insulator called "Vibrapods." Does anyone know about them, or if they are expensive? I would listen to any alternatives, if available. Thanks in advance

Greetings: A 50 year old here with observations gleened from the posts to this: 1. Though I have no children, it amazes me that my nieces and nephews know the words and melodies to the songs of the 60s, 70s, 80s. I don't recall many of those my age knowing te 30s, 40s, early 50s. I know music changed, but. They may not know the groups, but. 2. Listen to the number of commercials (geared to different ages) using songs of our generation. (Led Zeppelin in a Caddilac commercial?) 3. The "Sampling" of songs from "my" years that takes place or the re-makes of songs from "my" era - "Signs," Dylan etc. 4. I record, read recording gear catalogues. Newer products for home or professional studios: Tube microphones, units costing more than new K-Horns touting the virtues of "giving that warm tube sound," units with tubes in the signal path. Hammond B-3s with Leslies, guitarists wanting tube amps and on. All geared for today's digital age. 5. The fact that for the most part, we can have our equipment serviced, not throw it away and just buy new. 6. Nw to the subject at hand - usually introdctory stereo equipment is marketed to most young, though there seems to be the tendency that the smaller is aimed to the female. Once you get to the more expensive, the aiming seems, in my opinion, to go to the male. 7. It has been proven that males and females hears sounds - high frequency, low frequency differently. 8. Male competition - the my system is better than yours. I have always enjoyed hearing other points of view and music. If any of you hasseen the "Tribute to Stevie Ray Vaughn" video, Bonnie Raitt holds her own and blows 99% of other slide guitarists away. It's a shame we don't get more knowledgeable female points of view, we will increase our base.

Greetings: I have found that a car detailing product like Meguair's or there was one from Blue Coral works for amps like McIntosh -does not remove silk-screen on metal. Put product on soft cloth then clean. If you use a wax (not recommended) make sure it's safe for clear coat. Less abrasive. An investment in cotton gloves is nice to avoid fingerprints/oils.

Tony: Tried email contact, got your "reply." Effective. Thanks again.

Congratulations!!! Hit # 21 April 17. I guess it can be done. Recipe/cooking section great idea - great food, people, stereo, speakers.... what more could one want

Greetings: I like the way you look at it Tony. It is refreshing. He did get upset AFTER the work and made the coments weeks after the work was completed. But, I should have done the selling. The price quoted for shipping is lower than I thought. NOS Valves, would you take a new client when needed?

Greetings: If some wonder why I hesitate in some replies : Have McIntosh C20, Son 755 R-R, Technics Cassette. All needed some work. "Friend" that was repair tech took care of problems. In return, gave him unbuilt Dynaco tube preamp, McIntosh 55 tuner. He got upset, said work was worth more. About $250.00. 25 year friendshp down drain. Cruising eBay, saw preamp listed. Price OVER $1000.00 (also gave 2 tube radios). He got close to $1100.00 plus what he received for tuner and radios. Never even said thanks. Not even offer of lunch (Makes 4 - 5x what I do - he's at VP job for Nationally known Audio equipment company). If I sound bitter, I apologize. I read about quality of NOS Valves, wish I was closer. Would use and properly pay in heartbeat. Don't expect freebies, understand worth of quality work. All lucky to have NOS as friend/honest repair. Thanks for letting me vent. By the way, tape decks work lasted 2 - 3 months.

Greetings: I am lookig for the Genalex equivalent to the 5U4g. I believe it is known as "u52." It does not have to be working, but should look good. I have 1 in one of my 60's I'd like to match in looks. whl248@yahoo.com Help would be appreciated.

The best way to sum it up, is the difference between the Heritage and the Reference Lines. May their music and memories never be forgotten.