johnhart Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Hello, I need some advice regarding a sub to match with Khorns (R,L) and heresy as a center. I was thinking of a RW 10d or a SUB 10 but I 've never listened to either. Has anybody used a sub other than Klipsch with a similar set up? Thank you, John. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Has anybody used a sub other than Klipsch with a similar set up?Yes.Are your a DIY'fer, or a purchaser...? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuzzzer Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 To even make it worth your while you're going to need a sub that has some serious output down low. I personally wouldn't pair up a subwoofer with a 10" driver to speakers that have horn-loaded 15" woofers! A mega sub from SVS, Hsu, elemental designs or Velodyne would be a good place to start researching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 A mega sub from SVS, Hsu, elemental designs or Velodyne would be a good place to start researching. I believe that it depends on the answer to my question, above. Direct-radiator subs just don't sound like Khorn bass, even large driver direct radiators, IMHO. (Maybe it's because direct radiating subs put out something like 20-25 dB higher distortion... [])Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Youthman Posted March 13, 2011 Moderators Share Posted March 13, 2011 I heard John's Velodyne DD-18 paired with his Khorns and it sounded amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I heard John's Velodyne DD-18 paired with his Khorns and it sounded amazing. Have you ever heard time-aligned horn-loaded subs (that go lower than the Khorn bass bin) paired with either Khorns or Jubs? [:^)] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o0O Bill O0o Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I heard John's Velodyne DD-18 paired with his Khorns and it sounded amazing. Have you ever heard time-aligned horn-loaded subs (that go lower than the Khorn bass bin) paired with either Khorns or Jubs? lets up the ante with "Time aligned Tri-amped Klipschorns and Time aligned Powered Subwoofers" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I listen to time-aligned Jubs and horn-loaded subs every day. [] But that wasn't the question, I believe. The total cost of a pair of horn-loaded subs (DIY) plus two Crown amps (with DSP) to drive them with plenty of power in reserve-- is about $1K (US). They sound pretty much like Jub/Khorn bass bins except they go one octave lower (17 Hz). You'll only need one sub and one amp if you're only listening to 2-channel (instead of 2-channel + HT), or your room is smaller than ~3000 cubic feet (~85 cubic meters) in volume. By the way--how much do those high-end Hsu or Velodyne direct radiator subs cost when new? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I need some advice regarding a sub to match with Khorns (R,L) and heresy as a center. Here is the sub that I'd recommend (if you want to buy one) if you have a smallish room or 2-channel only. One is enough. This is what I'd recommend for a larger room or a HT. One is probably enough. Here is an amp with more than enough power to drive either of them. They are available on ebay for less. There are also other amps that can do well and that don't cost a lot. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokarz Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 hey cask05, what do you think of this anarchy th build? http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1238398&page=17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrench722 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 2 - RWS-15 ROCK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 hey cask05, what do you think of this anarchy th build? http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1238398&page=17 Well, that is about the smallest TH sub that I've seen. That would work well with Heresies, typical HT speakers (like the Reference and Synergy series) and other "bookshelf-sized" speakers. It looks as if you''d need 2 to 4 of those units to keep up with Khorns. Even with horns, you need a certain amount of driver area. For Khorns - I'm thinking something like 2 to 4 8" TH drivers are needed. The DTS-10 uses two 12" drivers, while the SPUD uses two 8" drivers per cabinet.I am a fan of tapped horn designs because of their slim profile and small footprint, which allow them to be used in the corners, even with Khorns in the same corners (however, I do recommend false corners for the Khorns in order to get a good seal and to eliminate interactions of the Khorn bass bin with the TH subs' mouths). THs do have issues over standard horn subs (like the Bill Fitzmaurice designs) in the area of impulse response but I've found that the TH precursor and bounce pulses are separated by more than 20 ms from the main pulse, which means that they don't sound muddy or heavy like reflex or acoustic suspension direct-radiating subs (IMHO) - all due to the precedence effect of human hearing. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokarz Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 i am thinking pairing 2 of those with my cornwall mains. the DTS-10 and Tuba HT is just too big (size wise) for my room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjones4841 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I am using a Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive with my K'horns. Very good match with freq response to well below 20Hz. The Hsus have excellent transient response (fast) that matches very well with the horn bass from the K'horns. Plus, the Quad Drive will "keep up" with the K'horns' output when you get the urge to "turn it up to 11." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 This is what I'd recommend for a larger room or a HT. One is probably enough.Apparently Danley DTS-10 tapped horn subwoofer kits are available again - for $1075+shipping - through the end of September: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=20190093#post20190093 [:|] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tragusa3 Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 I use a pair of the DTS-10's with three LaScalas up front. I'll say this...what somone thinks sounds killer is only in relation to their experiences. If you haven't heard a pair of these, then you haven't experienced "killer" yet. [] Khorns and LaScalas can outpace most any sub I'd ever heard....they do not outpace a pair of these. The Kit is available again, and it's a no brainer at that price point. Mind you, they are not plug and play. They take a bit of work to get dialed in. A parametric EQ is a requirement, not an option. But if you're willing to do the work, the sonic quality of an entirely horn loaded system is pretty sweet. There's a character to the Danley that very much works with the character of the Khorn/LaScala. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psg Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 If I hadn't built a Tuba HT this fall, I'd be buying one (or two) DTS-10 kits now. I tried to buy the kit at the end of the summer and it wasn't available, and the assembled version was going for close to 4K$ EACH in Canada. I'll say this... It's true that direct radiator bass and horn-loaded bass are not the same. I could always tell when my Hsu was crossed over with the KHorns, but integrating the Tube HT is seemless. I can pick 40, 60 or 80 Hz and not hear a difference in sound type. The choice boild down to room response and 60 Hz workd best so far in my room. That may change after I integrate the miniDSP into the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KdAgain Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Another very happy Khorn/DTS-10 user here. We have one in a small room - 19' x 12' x 7' 3". Use a Behringer EP4000 Amp and DCX 2496 EQ. Will soon be trying the MiniDSP as I'll be using it in our Active Crossover setup, and it will allow a high pass filter at around 11 or 12 Hz. If you like to dig low and loud and clean this is the sub to mate with your Khorns! Have Fun. Rod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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