CharlieTuna Posted June 14, 2002 Share Posted June 14, 2002 Just replaced my (recently bought) Forte IIs with KLF-30s. WOW! Have I psyched myself or are these SOBs something else? These things sound fantastic. Perhaps I should do a comparison between the KLF-30s and Fortes IIs. The KLFs just sound so good and make you take notice and enjoy. Maybe it's me. However, the difference I perceived made me think of the recording quality of music. I have CDs I enjoy because I like the talent and interaction of the musicians. And then there are talented musicians who are fortunate to be recorded by labels who make quality a concern. Not the quality of the signal, the quality of the recording. Do the instruments appear (sound) like they are coming from distinct points in the sound source? Maybe. There are those recordings which sound like the mikes are on the other side of a glass plane from the musicians, giving a "flat" sound. And, there are those recording which make you feel like you are sitting in the audiance of a concert; a full 3D-type (almost) sound. I always go to my favs for audio testing and enjoyment. FYI, GRP Records seems to do a pretty good job and have good artists (if you like jazz). Anyway, the KLF-30s sound GREAT and I wish I had known about them a long while ago. Happy listening. CT ------------------ ===================================== Charlie Tuna's A/V rig: Front mains Klipsch Forte IIs Front center Klipsch KLF-C7 sub/woofer JBL 4638 cabinet Front effects Klipsch Quintets Rears Klipsch Quartets TV Pioneer SD-P4565 rear projection Power Monster HTS 500 MKII A/V Amp Yamaha DSP-A1 CD Nakamichi CDC-300 (200 cd changer) DVD/CD Toshiba SD-3109 VCR Panasonic HI-FI model CATV TWC Digital Cable/cable modem Speaker wire Monster OMC 12G Interconnects Monster MVSV3 Super Video/MB300SW Bass/ILS200 lightspeed/Interlink 400 MKII/MV2R RCA A/V rack Studio Tech, Inc. Model PS-6 B/B Pioneer SX-255R Receiver to power patio speakers, Boston Acoustics Voyagers You can tune a radio, but you can't tuna fish! ===================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted June 15, 2002 Share Posted June 15, 2002 Time to update your sig. ------------------ Coming soon... Home Theater: TV: (Still deciding) A/V Receiver: Marantz SR9200 DVD Player: Sony DVP-NS900V Center: Klipsch RC-7 Mains: Klipsch RF-7s Surrounds: Klipsch RS-7s Subwoofer: Dual SVS CS-Ultras w/Samson S1000 amplifier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audible Nectar Posted June 15, 2002 Share Posted June 15, 2002 The recording quality issues are always exposed with Klipsch, especially with the big boys! If the recording is good, the Klipsch sound heavenly - but poor recordings are exposed too. You will find yourself being more concerned with this because the Klipsch show everything, warts and all. I wouldn't want it any other way. BTW, how is the JBL 4638 treatin' ya? ------------------ Klipsch Cornwall II's (mains) Klipsch Academy (center channel) Klipsch Chorus (surrounds) Outlaw 750 Amplifier (5x165) H/K AVR 75 (used as pre/pro - will be upgraded soon) Bass Kit: 2 JBL 4638 LFE/Bass Reinforcement cabinets Crown CE 1000 amplifier Behringer Feedback Destroyer (Bass EQ) Sources: Pioneer DV-333 2 Aiwa ADF-850 3 head cassette decks General Instruments cable box Panasonic VHS PV-4459 Digital Audio Labs CardDeluxe (computer sound) f> c> s> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erdric Posted June 15, 2002 Share Posted June 15, 2002 Congrats CharlieT!! Now for the real question...what are you going to do with the forte's?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avman Posted June 15, 2002 Share Posted June 15, 2002 my '30's never fail to please me, and STILL suprise me, even though i've pushed them hard. i will be listening to something and that involuntary 'smile' appears on my face and i KNOW i've got some incredible speakers! my rsw-15 took my whole system to the next level. congrats! avman. ------------------ 1-pair klf 30's c-7 center ksps-6 surrounds RSW-15 sony strda-777ES receiver upgraded to v.2.02 including virtual matrix 6.1 sony playstation 2 sony dvpnc 650-v 5-disc dvd/cd/SACD changer dishnetwork model 6000 HD sat rcvr w/digital off-air tuner sony kv36xbr450 high-definition 4:3 tv sharp xv-z1u lcd projector w/84" 4:3 sharp screen Bello'international Italian-made a/v furniture panamax max dbs+5 surge protector/power conditioner monster cable and nxg interconnects/12 gua.speaker wire Natuzzi red leather furniture set KLIPSCH-So Good It Hz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted June 15, 2002 Share Posted June 15, 2002 right on. these speaks can take a lot of juice & only ask for more. same w/ the cornwalls. ------------------ My Home Systems Page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShapeShifter Posted June 16, 2002 Share Posted June 16, 2002 Congratulations!!...Glad you are throughly pleased. ------------------ KLIPSCH IS MUSICf> My Systems f>s>c> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halder35 Posted June 16, 2002 Share Posted June 16, 2002 Congrats on your purchase! After 5 years of service my KLF's are still going strong. The KLF-30's are the only items I haven't, or wanted, to upgrade... they are just that good. The other bonus is that the are amazing in HT as well as 2 channel. Enjoy Mike ------------------ Sony STR-DA777ES Parasound 2205AT KLF-30 mains KLF-C7 center KLF-10 surrounds 2 x Velo SPL1200 subs 2 x SVS 20-39CS+ Samson 1000 Behringer DSP1124P Sony SCD-CE775 SACD Sony DVP-NC600 DVD Sony SLV-R1000 VCR Sony 32" TV BrickWall PS Audio Ultimate Outlets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieTuna Posted June 16, 2002 Author Share Posted June 16, 2002 KAiN64: Thanks for the reminder. dndphishin: Actually, I also have this realization in my car stereo (Toyota 4Runner...pretty damn good stereo!). It's true...there is a difference in the playback. Find a record company that cares (GRP records hosts some of the best jazz musicains around-try em-you'll like em). The JBLs are thumpin' and bumpin' - I now (live) in a (live) concert hall. avman: The 30's just sound so much better than my Qaurtets and and Forte IIs (to me). Maybe I just needed a change? erdric: they are idle... Thanks for the words, CT ------------------ ===================================== Charlie Tuna's A/V rig: Front mains Klipsch Forte IIs Front center Klipsch KLF-C7 sub/woofer JBL 4638 cabinet Front effects Klipsch Quintets Rears Klipsch Quartets TV Pioneer SD-P4565 rear projection Power Monster HTS 500 MKII A/V Amp Yamaha DSP-A1 CD Nakamichi CDC-300 (200 cd changer) DVD/CD Toshiba SD-3109 VCR Panasonic HI-FI model CATV TWC Digital Cable/cable modem Speaker wire Monster OMC 12G Interconnects Monster MVSV3 Super Video/MB300SW Bass/ILS200 lightspeed/Interlink 400 MKII/MV2R RCA A/V rack Studio Tech, Inc. Model PS-6 B/B Pioneer SX-255R Receiver to power patio speakers, Boston Acoustics Voyagers You can tune a radio, but you can't tuna fish! ===================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danartdis Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 Dndphishin, Just to throw in my 2cents, I absolutely love the JBL 4638 and how it integrates with the Heresys. Last night I had my brother and his girlfriend over to chat, have a drink and watch some tube. Just for a moment I cranked it up pretty high and we both giggled at thewind that was hitting us from the front of that JBL!! ------------------ Danartdis system HK AVR 500 Heresy mains Heresy rears Academy center JBL 4638"sub"woofer PE 250 watt sub amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erdric Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 >>erdric: they are idle...<< Cool. I guy can dream though right... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 eric: idle. like eric idle from monty python fame. i get it? ------------------ My Home Systems Page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieTuna Posted June 18, 2002 Author Share Posted June 18, 2002 I have to admit, when I first tested the KLF-30s (without the two JBL 4638s), I thought they were defective...not that much on the low end. Even after making sure my DSP-A1 was config'ed correct, I took off the speaker connector plates to make sure everything was hooked up internally. The horns on these throw much more sound than than the 12" woofers; I had to crank it to convince myself by sound and woofer movement that they were working. I guess I'm just used to heavier base now. I just wish I wasn't working six days a week and more able to enjoy them. Oh well...soon. CT ------------------ ===================================== Charlie Tuna's A/V rig: Front mains Klipsch Forte IIs Front center Klipsch KLF-C7 sub/woofer JBL 4638 cabinet Front effects Klipsch Quintets Rears Klipsch Quartets TV Pioneer SD-P4565 rear projection Power Monster HTS 500 MKII A/V Amp Yamaha DSP-A1 CD Nakamichi CDC-300 (200 cd changer) DVD/CD Toshiba SD-3109 VCR Panasonic HI-FI model CATV TWC Digital Cable/cable modem Speaker wire Monster OMC 12G Interconnects Monster MVSV3 Super Video/MB300SW Bass/ILS200 lightspeed/Interlink 400 MKII/MV2R RCA A/V rack Studio Tech, Inc. Model PS-6 B/B Pioneer SX-255R Receiver to power patio speakers, Boston Acoustics Voyagers You can tune a radio, but you can't tuna fish! ===================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 again, w/ the right room placement & some good high power & allowed to play low (no fixed crossover at like 80hz), the 30s will slam in at least the 2nd octave up to the crossover like none other i have had in home before, including cornwalls. jmo. ------------------ My Home Systems Page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieTuna Posted June 18, 2002 Author Share Posted June 18, 2002 Boa12, I'm driving the 30s with my Yamaha DSP-A1, the mains (30s) set to large and the LFE/Bass output set to both (SW and mains). The main speaker wires connect to the LFE posts on the 30s and is bridged to the mids/highs with the gold plate bridge connector. Should the 12" woofers in the 30s use separate amping? At what frequency is the 2nd octave? CT ------------------ ===================================== Charlie Tuna's A/V rig: Front mains Klipsch Forte IIs Front center Klipsch KLF-C7 sub/woofer JBL 4638 cabinet Front effects Klipsch Quintets Rears Klipsch Quartets TV Pioneer SD-P4565 rear projection Power Monster HTS 500 MKII A/V Amp Yamaha DSP-A1 CD Nakamichi CDC-300 (200 cd changer) DVD/CD Toshiba SD-3109 VCR Panasonic HI-FI model CATV TWC Digital Cable/cable modem Speaker wire Monster OMC 12G Interconnects Monster MVSV3 Super Video/MB300SW Bass/ILS200 lightspeed/Interlink 400 MKII/MV2R RCA A/V rack Studio Tech, Inc. Model PS-6 B/B Pioneer SX-255R Receiver to power patio speakers, Boston Acoustics Voyagers You can tune a radio, but you can't tuna fish! ===================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 ct, i wouldn't send LFE to the 30s also if that's what it is the yammy's doing. should be setting(s) that sends low bass to both the 30s & the sub preout, but LFE to the sub preout only. i'm taking it you have the sub preout connected to an external amp & then the jbl. then you should have plenty of juice from the yammy for the 30s. iow, no real need to bi-amp the 30s. may want to try biwiring them though. just that when you said "I took off the speaker connector plates to make sure everything was hooked up internally. The horns on these throw much more sound than than the 12" woofers; I had to crank it to convince myself by sound and woofer movement that they were working. I guess I'm just used to heavier base now." didn't sound right to me. have you tried running just the 2 30s alone w/o the jbl & other speaks (like stereo)? oh & the 2nd octave is 40-80hz. pretty much the effective bottom range of 30s. i'd experiment w/ all the dif large/small & bass control variations, w/ both 5.1 & 2- channel bassy material, to find which sounds best. ------------------ My Home Systems Page This message has been edited by boa12 on 06-18-2002 at 11:02 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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