MichaelandKlipsch Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Hello Everyone, I am new to the site and would like to know from actual Klipsch owners of the upcoming difference Im going to hear. I have just made the transition to using just a Receiver to separates. Forgive me ahead of time for the lengthy post. I am running RF-83 Mains, RC-64 Center, 2 RS 62 Surrounds 2 RS 52 Surround Backs, and 2 RB-81 Height Channels. I am currently using a Pioneer Elite SC-55 but Im planning to use this as a preamp and only power the Surround Back (RS-52s) and Height Channels (RB-81s). I got a Good deal I think on a Parasound 5250 V2 5 Channel 250wX5 Amp for $1600.00. That is about Brand New. They also included Brand New KCAG Interconnects and I have a set of Monster M950 High Quality Interconnects. Let me know from anyones personal experience what this upgrade to running a separate amp will sound like for better channel separation and better Mids etc. I know that when using 7 or 9 channels the Eltie SC 55 was seriously lacking at high volumes. I have a dedicated Theater room and use this room for 100% Movies. 12L, 23W, 9H Other equipment is Elite 70 Led Oppo 93 BDP 2 KA 1000 THX amps 4 KW-120 THS Subwoofers 2 Monster AVS 2000 Signature Voltage Stabilizers 1 Monster HTP5100 Signature Series Reference Power Center AudioQuest Carbon HDMI Cables Monster THX 1000 Banana Terminal Speaker Wire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Michael, Welcome to the forum. I will let Youthman handle this one. He is also a Michael. He runs your speaker system but only 5.2 and a Parasound 225w/ch 5 channel amp. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang guy Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Nice system! If that setup is lacking at high volume, then either you need a hearing aid, or you have a huge room. Don't feel bad, years of blasting rock and concerts have beat up my ears over the years. Funny thing is when my 3 sons 16, 18 and 20 tell me to turn down the music. [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelandKlipsch Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share Posted January 9, 2013 Thanks for some quick responses. As far as loudness goes the speakers sound great. What I meant was it was lacking with just the Pioneer Elite SC-55 at mid to high levels. Especially when using 7 or more speakers. I have just acquired the Parasound 5250 V2 but havent hooked her up yet. I have a clear weekend ahead and Im very excited to finally move into Separates. For now im going to use the Parasound to power the L,C,R,SR,SL. Eventually Ill get a separate 2 channel amp for just the mains. I was trying to get some responses on how different using a separate power Amp such as the Parasound, or any relatable such amp. Thanks for the responses so far guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I used to have a Parasound amp, good amps that sound good. You will no longer have any power shortage with that amp.You could get there cheaper but not better, congrats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Okay, Youthman hasn't chimed in yet, I'll give it a go. First, you have a killer system. I bet your Pioneer Elite sounds great and handles the dynamics okay at low to mid volumes. As good as it's amp section is, driving 9 speakers has to be taxing some. Add that Parasound beast and all things good about the Elite will be amplified(pun intended)[] especially at higher volumes. I have not heard any negatives about the sound quality of the Pioneer Elite class D receivers. The Parasound will add punch, detail, and of course dynamics to the overrall movie experience. The onboard amps of the Elite will easily power your remaining 4 channels. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelandKlipsch Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share Posted January 9, 2013 Thanks for the detailed reply Bill. I plan to install it this weekend. The Elite is indeed a warm sounding receiver but like u said above -25db and above it cant power all 9. I dont tend to use the Height speakers much but Im looking forward to that Punch from the Parasound. I researched many amps in the same league as the Parasound and almost got a Sunfire TGA7200. But everyone speaks about how neutral the parasound is and for movies thats what Im looking for. I have been looking to add 2 LaScallas to the living room and would possibly go with a warmer amp like a 2CH sunfire etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang guy Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Thanks for the detailed reply Bill. I plan to install it this weekend. The Elite is indeed a warm sounding receiver but like u said above -25db and above it can’t power all 9. I don’t tend to use the Height speakers much but I’m looking forward to that Punch from the Parasound. I researched many amps in the same league as the Parasound and almost got a Sunfire TGA7200. But everyone speaks about how neutral the parasound is and for movies that’s what I’m looking for. I have been looking to add 2 LaScalla’s to the living room and would possibly go with a warmer amp like a 2CH sunfire etc. LaScalas don't need much power. 30 watts per channel will blast you out of the house. They are extremely efficient, and 1 watt will provide 104db at 1 meter. What they do like is tube amps. The McIntosh 275 comes to mind. Depending on your music preferences, you may want to add a sub. The LaScala has a 53hz floor, and the LaScala II 51HZ floor. If you have corners in that living room, you might want to look at Klipschorns. Unless you listen to rap and hip-hop, I doubt you would need a sub with Klischorns. The Khorns dig to 33HZ and are even more efficient than the LaScala at 105db 1w/1m.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Welcome to the forum Michael. I run a 9.2 setup with my Pioneer Elite SC 35. For movies usually only 7 channels are active at one time. I like the ideal of external amps paired to the SC 55. The Pioneer looses around 15 watt/channel with all the channels being driven. The amp/avr combo is a nice cost effective way to enhance your system. The pre-amp section of the avr is great and it will be hard to beat with a separated pre-amp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxx Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Welcome aboard.... Come back often... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelandKlipsch Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share Posted January 9, 2013 Hi Derrick, Yes I agree with you mostly 7 speakers for films with my SC-55. I really wanted to pick up that Parasound Amp and use the Elite as a pre amp and just the rear 2 channels occasionally the Heights, but everyone told me the same thing when I was shopping for the parasound. They all say that the speakers come alive with a pre/pro and dedicated amp. I know the elite has always made my Klipschs sound wonderful but Im curious as to how this dedicated amp will make the main 5 sound. Many uses told me the Channel separation and details upon watching films will be noticeably apparent at higher volumes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelandKlipsch Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share Posted January 9, 2013 Hey Mustang, I was looking at McIntosh 2Ch amps. Of course not right now as I just bought the 4 THX KW-120s and parasound and my wife will kill me if I started looking already. But I think the first thing is to grab a pair of LaScalas. They will be placed in two corners about 20 ft. from each other and I dont listen to Rap or hip hop. Mostly classical, blues, instrumental and rock. Dont want to put a Sub down there so you are saying the Klischorns would be better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage_Head Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Detail at louder volumes is noticeable and separation between the channels is better also. In really loud parts of movies you hear extra detail pop out of rear and side surrounds. Also the voice in the center stays just as big no matter how loud and crazy everything else gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knorbu Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Hi Michael, Very nice system! I have a pair of rf-83's that are hooked up to an emotive xpa-3 ,(along with the center). I use a Harman Kardon avr-354 as the preamp,(I tried a UMC-1 , but prefer the HK sound), I could not be happier. I think it was Forum member Tmassey that said when he hooked an external amp to his 83's , it was like a veil was lifted from them. I agree. have fun, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang guy Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Hey Mustang, I was looking at McIntosh 2Ch amps. Of course not right now as I just bought the 4 THX KW-120s and parasound and my wife will kill me if I started looking already. But I think the first thing is to grab a pair of LaScalas. They will be placed in two corners about 20 ft. from each other and I don’t listen to Rap or hip hop. Mostly classical, blues, instrumental and rock. Don’t want to put a Sub down there so you are saying the Klischorns would be better? For pure 2 channel listening in a Klipschorn friendly room, the Klipschorns are better. If the room isn't K-Horn friendly, LaScalas and belle Klipschs are usually used. When the time comes to set up the room, show some pictures and dimensions, and you will get some great help from the people here who have expertise in Klipschorn placement and acoustics. There are many of which I am not one, unfortunately. Klipschorns cost more and are larger than LaScalas so take that into consideration. Also available are Jubilees. Also expensive, but definitely top shelf! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Youthman Posted January 9, 2013 Moderators Share Posted January 9, 2013 Okay, Youthman hasn't chimed in yet, I'll give it a go. Sorry, Wednesdays is my busy day. Here is my thread I posted after I purchased my Parasound HCA2205a (220 x 5) amp. With 220 watts x 5, the Parasound adds even more bottom end to the RF-83's, giving them more authority in the bass region. I used to not enjoy listening to music in 5.1 or 7ch stereo but with the new amp, it really brings the surround channels to life. With movies, the surrounds seem more alive and engaged. At high volumes, the amp has no problems maintaining the integrity of the source material. The sound never gets harsh or muddy. Crystal clear no matter what volume. Musical has more separation of instruments than with the Yamaha alone. Hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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