Karsoncookie Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Hi all!! New here but have been reading alot. Need advice on choosing crossover . Want to build CornScala C with Crites plan drivers and cabinet. My objective is to replace the LaScalas I owned years ago when I thought I could afford them. What I liked about them was the high end "brightness" "sparkliness" or "sharpness" Never felt they were lacking bass, but don't want to fool around replicating the mitres. So, it seems a CornScala "C" I understand will make me happy. Question is--Do I need to include Bob's crossovers at like $300/ pair, OR can I get buy with less$ and get like appropriate ?Eminence? crossovers??(Like $200 less/ the pair) Then I'm still thinking... If I don't go with Bob's (which consider the cab desingn, I guess-not only the individual driver spec's,) I will always wonder if I shot myself in the foot saving money (NOTICABLY hearingly). But that is only MY subjective problem. I realize responses May be affected by allegiance to Bob, and I respect his work.I just have to limit my $ spending if not needed. I'm hoping on "Just the facts, Maa'm" Hope I don't open a can of worms. My total respect to Mr. Crites work. Please understand I am in the "12 Ga zip cord" school of thought, as opposed to the 2k speaker wire folks. Thank you, Karson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Hi all!! Question is--Do I need to include Bob's crossovers at like $300/ pair, OR can I get buy with less$ and get like appropriate ?Eminence? crossovers??(Like $200 less/ the pair) I'm hoping on "Just the facts, Maa'm" Thank you, Karson You want some opinions... here is one. Do you need to include $300 for crossovers from bob or can you get away with less? I am here to say to you spend MORE, not less. Budget another 600$-900$ for a pair of quality goods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I dig my loyal fan base. I was going to say that if that if all his budget can handle, then go with Bob's networks -- at least they'll be right for the drivers and horn he's running -- he can always upgrade later. What I would like to see is an attempt by folks to find out what the real goals are for the system before making a recommendation. For sure though, the OP would probably wet himself with some Jensens or Jupiters in the networks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeydeal Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I will agree with Schu. Having owned the cornscala C, I would opt for Dean or ALK xovers and opt for the delete on Bob's. As much as I like and respect Bob, I never could get the speakers to sound right til I bought Al's crossvers. Huge improvement to these ears. Shakey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dee Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) I've been happy with the sound of my LaScalas and Khorns with Type A crossovers. Would imagine that the Cornscalas would sound good with something similar. Knowing that you enjoyed the high end of your previously owned LaScalas, think you will enjoy the cornscalas. Edited October 31, 2014 by Daddy Dee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muel Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 This may or may not help but here is my crossover comparison that I wrote a while back. https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/146678-crossover-network-comparison/ I encourage you to read as much as you can and then talk to Dean. All these guys are very helpful! If you need something to get by for a while I might have a set of stock B networks with Sonicaps or a set of early ALK B series networks available perhaps. Both crossover at 600 and are not adjustable. I don't know for sure how they would match up with the drivers Bob uses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djk Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 The Cornscala type C uses the 500/5000 network? I am offering to change a type B or E (Cornwall or Heresy) network to 500/5000 with new PIO caps if you like, and use battery bias if you like too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Man, that would sound awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick J B Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 I'm obviously no expert, but I do have opinions! In a speaker set up like the cornscalas it is my personal belief that the most critical component is the crossovers. Assuming your enclosure and chosen drivers make sense, (Bob has shown you the way here) its the crossover that will make or break the outcome. You can cut corners like using mdf vs quality plywood, or fiberglass horns vs custom wood units, but if you go cheap on the crossover you'll regret it every time you listen to the speakers. I especially wouldn't use a crossover designed for a totally different setup just to save a hundred bucks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muel Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 The Cornscala type C uses the 500/5000 network? I am offering to change a type B or E (Cornwall or Heresy) network to 500/5000 with new PIO caps if you like, and use battery bias if you like too. This sounds like a pretty good deal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karsoncookie Posted November 1, 2014 Author Share Posted November 1, 2014 First, Thank all you guys very much for your guidance. If I used Crites crossovers at least then, or possibly upgrade from those- I've wondering would it also make sense to get better speaker wires? They would be about 10 feet from the amp. Don't want to spend the cash on crossovers then create a weak link in the chain. Thank you all again, Karson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muel Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 No... Getting your room setup right should be high on your list. A lot of people (including me) try to skip this because it isn't as exciting as new equipment. It can also be work. Sometimes your flexibility for what you can do in a room is limited because the room has other uses. Even so, I highly suggest Jim Smith http://getbettersound.com/index.php. Besides being a good guy he gives a lot of great information that will help you improve your enjoyment of the music! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeydeal Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 No... Getting your room setup right should be high on your list. A lot of people (including me) try to skip this because it isn't as exciting as new equipment. It can also be work. Sometimes your flexibility for what you can do in a room is limited because the room has other uses. Even so, I highly suggest Jim Smith http://getbettersound.com/index.php. Besides being a good guy he gives a lot of great information that will help you improve your enjoyment of the music! Good advice here. Shakey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karsoncookie Posted November 2, 2014 Author Share Posted November 2, 2014 Would the ALK "Universal" crossovers be a sufficient Item?? Karson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muel Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I assume you mean the CornScala-Wall network... yes, there is a lot of bang for buck there! You can do better but it is quite a decent network. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeydeal Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I assume you mean the CornScala-Wall network... yes, there is a lot of bang for buck there! You can do better but it is quite a decent network. I had this crossover and it was quite good. Shakey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick J B Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Karson, it would be a good idea and no doubt interesting to contact the crossover guys mentioned in this thread. Bob, Dennis, Dean and Al could give you more insight into what would work for your Cornscala's and I'd imagine give you a nice spread of costs and up grade paths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudioJag Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Karson, I installed the AlK Eng CSW (CornScala-Wall) networks in my Khorns recently and love them. With them I was able to change the attenuation of the new tweeters (DE10 set to -4) and Dave's Frastrac horns (k55v driver to -7) so that the overall sound was set to my liking in the fairly small room that they must be in. Sure, I could have spent more money, but this turned out to be excellent on my smaller budget. Also upgraded all the wiring to Monster XPHP-CI..... Not positive that the wiring made any difference, but I sure believe it did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeydeal Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Not positive that the wiring made any difference, but I sure believe it did. Easy there fellow. You are treading on thin ice around this place......... Shakey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudioJag Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Not positive that the wiring made any difference, but I sure believe it did. Easy there fellow. You are treading on thin ice around this place......... Shakey Shakey..... Not sure what you mean... please explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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