m00n Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 I have noticed something about these speakers, but I have nothing to compair them to so I don't know if it's Klipsch or all speakers.... But take the movie Titan AE for example, when the space ships fly by, they have this..... well, almost whistle whine kind of sound. Is that because they have horns rather than tweaters? Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with that sound, actually it sounds kind of cool, I was just wondering is all. ------------------ m00nsCinema to be the m00n system FRONTS: RF-7 CENTER: RC-7 SURROUNDS: RS-7 SUB: RSW-12 RECEIVER: Harman Kardon AVR 520 DVD: Toshiba SD 3205 (DD, DTS) TV: Samsung 27" Flatscreen COMPUTER: ProMedia 4.1 c>Microsoft XBOXc> f> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin_tx_16 Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 horns instead of tweeters? no. they have tweeters. they are horn LOADED tweeters, as opposed to silk dome type tweeters or ribbon tweeters. that is what is called Klipsch Sound. Sound that is a little 'bright' where the tink tankering of ice on a tin roof is reproduced so well that you think it is really happening ------------------ -justin SoundWise promediatech@Klipsch.com /1-888-554-5665 - RA# 800-554-7724 ext 5 s> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00n Posted July 30, 2002 Author Share Posted July 30, 2002 Justin. Hey thanks for clearing that up about the horns/tweater issue. Didn't know that. ------------------ m00nsCinema to be the m00n system FRONTS: RF-7 CENTER: RC-7 SURROUNDS: RS-7 SUB: RSW-12 RECEIVER: Harman Kardon AVR 520 DVD: Toshiba SD 3205 (DD, DTS) TV: Samsung 27" Flatscreen COMPUTER: ProMedia 4.1 c>Microsoft XBOXc> f> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin_tx_16 Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 no problem! ------------------ -justin SoundWise promediatech@Klipsch.com /1-888-554-5665 - RA# 800-554-7724 ext 5 s> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00n Posted July 30, 2002 Author Share Posted July 30, 2002 So Justin corrected me on the horn/tweater issue, but I am still curious to know if Klipsch have thier own unique sound? Do other speakers have the same sound as I tried to describe but most likely failed to do. ------------------ m00nsCinema to be the m00n system FRONTS: RF-7 CENTER: RC-7 SURROUNDS: RS-7 SUB: RSW-12 RECEIVER: Harman Kardon AVR 520 DVD: Toshiba SD 3205 (DD, DTS) TV: Samsung 27" Flatscreen COMPUTER: ProMedia 4.1 c>Microsoft XBOXc> f> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpg Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 Most people I have talked to believe that Klipsch has a more harsh sound than others like B&W, etc. They thought you either liked the Klipsch sound or hated it... there was little in between. Most like it though since it is a good sound for movies and rock music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDBRbuilder Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 ATTENUATION of one's ears to EXPECT music to sound a certain way is the best explanation for different attitudes towards horn-loaded speakers. Once the brain is conditioned to an expected response, it tends to look unfavorably on something different from its expectations. If one tends to expect music REPRODUCTION to parallel a live performance of UNAMPLIFIED sound sources(ie., a live symphony), then one is very likely to love horn-loading, but if those original "live" sources one hears are reproduced through amplification on the stage, and that amplification is pushed through CONES instead of HORNS, then one tends to look unfavorably on horn-loaded speakers...pretty simple. On the other hand, it is also based on what the listener is used to in his/her home system...the brain doesn't always have a favorable response to clear detail that horns reproduce from instruments, and that will often lead the listener to say that horn-loading is "too bright", when it is actually because of the listener's pre-conceived notions of what the music SHOULD sound like!! ------------------ I can now receive private messages This message has been edited by HDBRbuilder on 07-30-2002 at 09:36 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 I like the horn sound for the elctronic music I listen to, those bleeps and beeps sound MUCH crisper with horns. Also, they are more exciting to listen to, more dynamic. If they are two bright, just stuff some foan imto the horn cavity ------------------ Receiver: Sony STR-DE675 CD player: Sony CDP-CX300 Turntable: Technics SL-J3 with Audio-Technica TR485U Speakers: JBL HLS-610 Subwoofer: JBL 4648A-8 Sub amp: Parts Express 180 watt Center/surrounds: Teac 3-way bookshelfs Yes, it sucks, but better to come. KLIPSCH soon! My computer is better than my stereo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avman Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 'the klipsch sound' i had always liked klipsch for rock,and i like to listen loud. the one thing i didn't like was the perceived 'harshness' of the screaming mids,especially at high volume. i had sold klipsch along w/other brands, and actually prefered definitive tech. bi-polar towers...UNTIL: a friend needed a place to keep his klf-30's for about a month, so i volunteered to keep them at my place..SOLD!!! w/the bass management in digital surround receivers(especially like mine that allows 40Hz x-over to powered sub independently for l,r front, ctr, surr). for me, the solution to 'tame' the blaring mids was to put them in a decent room, and bump the bass about +3.5dB, mids set wide at 0dB, and treble +1.5dB. this,in effect,reduced the midrange and..AAHHHHH!! KLIPSCH HEAVEN!! wouldn't think of having anything but klipsch..EVER.. avman. ------------------ 1-pair klf 30's c-7 center (looking for 1-m.o.klf-20) ksps-6 surrounds RSW-15 sony strda-777ES receiver upgraded to v.2.02 including virtual matrix 6.1 sony playstation 2 sony dvpnc 650-v 5-disc dvd/cd/SACD changer dishnetwork model 6000 HD sat rcvr w/digital off-air tuner jvc s-vhs-et hi-fi stereo vcr sony kv36xbr450 high-definition 4:3 tv sharp xv-z1u lcd projector w/84" 4:3 sharp screen Bello'international Italian-made a/v furniture panamax max dbs+5 surge protector/power conditioner monster cable and nxg interconnects/12 gua.speaker wire Natuzzi red leather furniture set KLIPSCH-So Good It Hz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundthought Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 Another thing to note about Klipsch or other horn loaded loudspeakers, Horns are designed to focus sound in a particular dispersion pattern whereas cones tend to radiate in a 360' pattern. The result of horn loading is that more sonic information is being relayed directly to the listener without as many room interactions. A.K.A "The Harshness" or "Brightness" Also, the difference in sound is between the time you hear the direct sound, and the time you hear the 1st and 3rd order reflections. It varies between a cone and a horn. The result is a brighter sound from the horn. I like to think of it as "accurate" sound. I took me sometime to get used to, but now i'm hooked and nothing else sounds as good as a high frequency horn. ------------------ You should of heard just what I've seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBrennan Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 All their lives people listen to direct-radiators through a haze of distortion; TVs, car radios, table radios. So what they want in improved sound is something that sounds like a TV but better. Horns are so clear and low in distortion that they are unsettling to some people, they destroy the references they have in place as to what good reproduction of sound is supposed to sound like. So when hearing a horn the unaccustomed clarity is interpreted as harshness. www.chicagohornspeakerclub.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Flynn Posted July 30, 2002 Share Posted July 30, 2002 I have been blessed as a boy many years ago(20+) to hear real guitars played by good players in family rooms and garages for perhaps 2000 to 3000 hours or more from the age of 15-22. unamplified... Martin Guild Gibson amplified... 1950s Les Paul through Music Man Stratocaster through Marshall 1970s Les Paul through Fender Twin Reverb Thes are some I remember most impressive. Horns make recorded guitars more real for me. Narada is a small CD music company that has several guitar samplers of flamenco type music that are highly recommended. It aint rock and roll but it is great playing. Stay Horny... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted July 31, 2002 Share Posted July 31, 2002 Tom, I think you said it, but I have some more to add. IT TAKES EFFORT TO LISTEN TO HORNS!!! Before you tell to to go away, think of this: Take the average Jane or Joe who drives a 5 year old Ford sedan. Yes, they can drive, but its a pretty lazy experience. At a stoplight, VROOOOMMMM!!! Along comes the Porsche 911 GT2, with a small cabin and 6-speed. The person in the Ford, says, "I wouldn't want to drive that, it would be a chore, haveing to row my gears and all." The guy in the Porsche, says. "Man, that dude in the Ford is a LoZZer~~~!!! Only if he knew how much fun this car is!!!" The light turns green and the guy in the Porsche drops the clutch in second and peels away at 6000 RPM's. Well, unless you are daft, the Porsche is a real horn-loaded speaker system. It takes a little work, but once you are on board, you see the truth. If you like listening to music/movies, you probably won't mind a horn screaming at you and making you jump. If you are lazy about sound, the TV speaker will filter out all volume and dynamics for you. I like cars, and don't mind having to work driving one that is above the rest, because I know how FUN it can be. I like horns, and don't mind having a more involved listening experience, because I know how FUN it can be. ------------------ Receiver: Sony STR-DE675 CD player: Sony CDP-CX300 Turntable: Technics SL-J3 with Audio-Technica TR485U Speakers: JBL HLS-610 Subwoofer: JBL 4648A-8 Sub amp: Parts Express 180 watt Center/surrounds: Teac 3-way bookshelfs Yes, it sucks, but better to come. KLIPSCH soon! My computer is better than my stereo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00n Posted July 31, 2002 Author Share Posted July 31, 2002 Interesting analagy. ------------------ m00nsCinema to be the m00n system FRONTS: RF-7 CENTER: RC-7 SURROUNDS: RS-7 SUB: RSW-12 RECEIVER: Harman Kardon AVR 520 DVD: Toshiba SD 3205 (DD, DTS) TV: Samsung 27" Flatscreen COMPUTER: ProMedia 4.1 c>Microsoft XBOXc> f> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted July 31, 2002 Share Posted July 31, 2002 It's lake and I am going Kraz-e ------------------ Receiver: Sony STR-DE675 CD player: Sony CDP-CX300 Turntable: Technics SL-J3 with Audio-Technica TR485U Speakers: JBL HLS-610 Subwoofer: JBL 4648A-8 Sub amp: Parts Express 180 watt Center/surrounds: Teac 3-way bookshelfs Yes, it sucks, but better to come. KLIPSCH soon! My computer is better than my stereo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audible Nectar Posted July 31, 2002 Share Posted July 31, 2002 "but if those original "live" sources one hears are reproduced through amplification on the stage, and that amplification is pushed through CONES instead of HORNS, then one tends to look unfavorably on horn-loaded speakers...pretty simple." I feel the opposite: after hundreds of live concerts, no speaker reproduces that sound better than horns do. I wasted entirely too much time trying to find "consumer available" speakers other than Klipsch to handle my extensive live concert collection. It was a waste of time. KRB has hit on an idea too - horns are more involving - they demand to be listened to. I know this from experience. If all I wanted was background music, many speakers would fit the bill. For listening, it's horns or bust - the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avman Posted July 31, 2002 Share Posted July 31, 2002 'that live concert sound' hmmm.. THAT is EXACTLY what i loveabout klipsch!! i like classic rock, and NO OTHER SPEAKER comes close to klipsch!! also, most concerts i've heard had horn-based speakers, at least most of'em. avman. ------------------ 1-pair klf 30's c-7 center (looking for 1-m.o.klf-20) ksps-6 surrounds RSW-15 sony strda-777ES receiver upgraded to v.2.02 including virtual matrix 6.1 sony playstation 2 sony dvpnc 650-v 5-disc dvd/cd/SACD changer dishnetwork model 6000 HD sat rcvr w/digital off-air tuner jvc s-vhs-et hi-fi stereo vcr sony kv36xbr450 high-definition 4:3 tv sharp xv-z1u lcd projector w/84" 4:3 sharp screen Bello'international Italian-made a/v furniture panamax max dbs+5 surge protector/power conditioner monster cable and nxg interconnects/12 gua.speaker wire Natuzzi red leather furniture set KLIPSCH-So Good It Hz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted July 31, 2002 Share Posted July 31, 2002 Big JBL stuff gets my going A horn the size of a double garage door, yeah! ------------------ Receiver: Sony STR-DE675 CD player: Sony CDP-CX300 Turntable: Technics SL-J3 with Audio-Technica TR485U Speakers: JBL HLS-610 Subwoofer: JBL 4648A-8 Sub amp: Parts Express 180 watt Center/surrounds: Teac 3-way bookshelfs Yes, it sucks, but better to come. KLIPSCH soon! My computer is better than my stereo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skonopa Posted July 31, 2002 Share Posted July 31, 2002 Kenratboy says: The guy in the Porsche, says. "Man, that dude in the Ford is a LoZZer~~~!!! Only if he knew how much fun this car is!!!" Unless that Ford is something like my dad's Mustang GT Convertible . That is a fun car to drive! But anyway, interesting that I get a more "Live" sound out of my Klipsch than the so called "Direct/Reflecting" Bose speakers that claim to sound just like a live concert. ------------------ Steven Konopa Fredericksburg, VA Denon AVR3802 (Receiver) RF-7 (Fronts) RC-7 (Center) RC-7 (Rear) RS-7 (A Surrounds) Infinity RS2000.5 (B Surrounds - recycled) REL Storm III (Subwoofer 1) Yamaha YST-SW40 (Subwoofer 2 - Recycled) JVC XV-S65GD (DVD) Sharp DX-200 (CD - ancient) RCA DWD490RE (DirecTV/Ultimate TV receiver) Sharp 32 inch (TV) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBrennan Posted July 31, 2002 Share Posted July 31, 2002 I like big Ford sedans. My Crown Vic with bench seat was so big my girlfriend could kneel in the passenger seat-well and..... Vrooom! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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