BEC Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 Count me in for a set please. I will use Paypal. Email and Paypal ID bcrites@cswnet.com Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artto Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 Bad News Folks (so far) Kinko's has put a Kink in this. They won't copy any of it because of the copyrights (and there are lots of them). Apparently, last year or so, the copyright law was extended to 95 years. On Monday I'll take this stuff over to a little mom & pop shop on the other side of town that I've dealt with over the years. Maybe they won't be so concerned as a big national franchise like Kinko's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Turner Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 Artto... Assuming you can get ma & pa to make copies I would like one also...I can either send you a money order or paypal (whichever is easier for you) once you know the final price. thanks...charles...chasmturner@yahoo.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Mobley Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 Hmpf. I thought that copyright extension was not retroactive? IOW, only stuff copyrighted after the law went into effect had the long expiration. Is this wrong? Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyKubicki Posted February 8, 2003 Author Share Posted February 8, 2003 ARTTO, Thanks for taking this on! I would rather have you make a few cents off this project of love rather than let some eBay-traneur take $39 each! I do like the idea of scanning and making a file out of it for easier distribution, but that's up to you. Let us know when you decide. My email is Andyyyy@aol.com , I will send you a check soon as I get your info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundog Posted February 9, 2003 Share Posted February 9, 2003 Artto- Thanks for doing this! I'd love a set. I can pay via paypal, if you like, HFHalligan@aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry N. Cruse Posted February 9, 2003 Share Posted February 9, 2003 My fellow Arkie (Andy HDBR)has chastised me for driving my four CWs (flank)and two Mod-H (centers) with two 440w per channel Luxman M-117(BTL). I'm like a sixteen year old kid with a 427ci Vet....I put my foot into it at times. The Lux's are clean, smooth, and stable with "tubie warmth". I have yet to blow anything. Diaphragm excursions are minimal and the SLAM is incredible! What am I missing? Anyone? I.B. Slamin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry N. Cruse Posted February 9, 2003 Share Posted February 9, 2003 My fellow Arkie (Andy HDBR)has chastised me for driving my four CWs (flank)and two Mod-H (centers) with two 440w per channel Luxman M-117(BTL). I'm like a sixteen year old kid with a 427ci Vet....I put my foot into it at times. The Lux's are clean, smooth, and stable with "tubie warmth". I have yet to blow anything. Diaphragm excursions are minimal and the SLAM is incredible! What am I missing? Anyone? I.B. Slamin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry N. Cruse Posted February 9, 2003 Share Posted February 9, 2003 Sorry about the double post. I have a hard time getting out. Would love a copy of the papers at any resonable cost. Does this include the old Bell Labs stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artto Posted February 9, 2003 Share Posted February 9, 2003 Terry, yes, it includes the Bell Labs stuff. Not yet sure if I'll be in volilation of copyright laws or not. I would think that this would qualify under the "fair use" interpretation of copyright law which may exempt factual (vs fictional) information for educational, nonprofit, noncommercial purposes. Terry, Luxman made some really great amps. The SS stuff is typically more warm sounding than other SS gear. While having much of the "tube warmth", I think they still lack the detail, definition & sense of 3-D space/imaging that a good tube amp has. If you think that M-117 sounds great, you should hear their tube amps like the MB3045 or MB300. Interesting thing is my 50 watt Lux MB3045's sound way more powerful than my 275w/chnl Crown PSA2 (which is up for sale by the way). Not only that....even though the Crown specs & measures more than 20Db lower noise than the Lux tubes, I'll give you one guess which one sounds quieter. The Lux are DEAD QUIET, turned all the way up, even with your ear right against the mid & high horns on a Khorn, you can't hear a thing. You do that with the PSA2 & you can hear the hiss at the listening poition. One suggestion: don't use 2 speaker systems for your center speaker. You're probably producing what's called the "comb filter effect". Its bad enough trying to minimize this within one single multiple driver speaker system. With 2 of these in close proximity of each other the frequency response anomolies will be exaggerated even more. In addition, you then have the most acoustic output potential where you need it the least. I've tried this many years ago, several times in different rooms. I looks impressive for sure. But from a technical standpoint, its probably not the best thing to do. On the other hand, as I always say, "to each his own". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry N. Cruse Posted February 9, 2003 Share Posted February 9, 2003 Artto, Thanks for the reply. I understand about doubling the centers. I used an old 7-T preamp with a center output and one Mod-H having a better (PWKs Curtain of sound)effect. I need to buy or build a center channel output control for the Holman preamp that I now use. Any suggestions? Ran a pair of Crown DC-300s for a few years. Crown is a little cold and "snappy" for my taste of late. Anyway......We have yet to address TO MUCH POWER. Headroom. Can one have too much? Tim Taylor PS: I knew better than to speak SS in the 2-channel spot. I.B.Slammin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artto Posted February 9, 2003 Share Posted February 9, 2003 Terry, yes. Here's a schematic from Klipsch Dope From Hope Vol.14, No.4 Revised July 1973. For the pots I used extremely high quality military spec hermatically sealed high precision pots that take about 5 or 6 complete turns around from full off to full on, and 1% resistors. I don't remember what kind except that whatever it was, they were the best available back then (1980-82) (maybe its time I revisit this & do an upgrade). You can really "dial-in" the overall balance & center channel extremely well with this. But any high quality pots should do the job. The ones I used were about $50 each as I recall. Klipsch2ph3.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Trey Cannon Posted February 9, 2003 Klipsch Employees Share Posted February 9, 2003 The Dope from Hope papers were not "copywrited". As Artto says, the Audio Papers have various copywrites involved. Copywrites do not "expire". Without permission, "eBay guy" is extremely exposed. Klipsch does not own all the copywrites to the Audio papers, but the people that do may not like it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artto Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 Thanks Trey. At this point, I take it that what you are saying is that I can reproduce the Dope From Hope publications, at least for the people who responded in this thread, for the purposes involved, even though the documents overlap "commom law" copyright restrictions? If thats the case, I'll be glad to send out copies of the Dope From Hope publications to those that requested to it thru Friday, February 14th. The other stuff will have to wait until/if I can secure reproduction rights for this particular, nonprofit, noncommercial, educational intended distribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neandertal Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 Terry, I built the center channel system from the above supplied design. Worked great using the basic Radio Shack off-the-shelf hardware. I picked off of this forum the design and at that time there were several comments about adding a 10 ohm resister between the pot and ground to help suppress cross talk. I added the additional resister and have loved the result. Having a center channel really helped in the presentation of both HT and audio listening. I was surprised that the stereo effect was not reduced. Left and right were still sharp. A no lose situation. Bert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artto Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 Thanks Bert. My conclusions exactly. I'm not sure why some others like mobilehomeless keep dissing this concept. It seems to make the whole presentation more believable. This is not just some marketing scheme dreamed up by PWK to sell more speakers & compensate for "the deficiencies of 45 degreee corner speaker placement" as some seem to think. Its all well documented in the Bell Lab experiments on auditory perception that those of you who signed up for the Klipsch Audio Papers will be receiving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 Trey, Copyrights can and do expire. Not sure what you have in mind here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J M O N Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 I'm interested too! I've sent you an E-mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artto Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 The copyright laws were changed in recent years. The copyright expiration varies depending on the type of work, when it was created, whether it was created before or after the recent law changes, etc, etc. For all practical purposes, any original "work" is now automatically considered to be copyrighted by the original creator whether the work is registered with the US Copyright Office or not (generally this applies internationally as well). Typically, the length of time now granted for copyright protection to the original author/creator is 95 years after the author's death. There are many ambiguities in the interepretations. And there are exceptions such as "fair use" under non-profit, non-commercial, educational & factual use(vs. fiction)(facts cannot be copyrighted). http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html http://www.eff.org/CAF/law/copyright-FAQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artto Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 Klipsch Audio Papers LAST CALL The following list of names are those of you I have received payment for copies of the Klipsch Dope From Hope & Audio Papers. I will be updating this post as I receive your payments. I realize some of you may have not seen the previous thread until the cutoff date of February 14. Ill give this a few more days for all the payments to come it. If you wanted to get a copy & youre name is not on this list by Wednesday morning, February 18, then email me immediately. Im going to do this only once & its only fair to not keep those people waiting who promptly sent their check or money order (emails with nothing in the subject line or no subject in the subject line have been, & will be deleted). Tom Mobley Gregg Fautley Paul Lober Ron Takchaohi Shaun Purcell Chris Robinson Richard Flynn Bobby Crites Mark Williams John Albright Dave Herkert James Phillips Kenneth Lehr Charles Turner Printing $14.85 Postage $ 5.75 Envelopes$ 0.00 supplied by USPS TOTAL $20.60 Payment must be made by personal check or USPS Money Order (NOT PayPal as I had previously mentioned), AND....... You must include a Self-Addressed, SELF ADHESIVE shipping label! Make the payment out to & send to: Art Kulak 1014 Tennessee Lane Elk Grove Village, IL 60007 artto@attbi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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