AndyKubicki Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 I have been married, divorced and remarried, but my Khorns have been with me all along. Both wives were told I come with baggage, meaning the Khorns (and 2 kids more with present wife)! I have already congratulated m00n, and now congratulate Jim on his new job! (Any deals for your pals here on the forum????? Like sound cards, recording goodies, bass strings, Kubicki basses, etc????) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt1stcav Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 Thanks lynnm and Andy! I'm at their warehouse/front desk for now, but the sales staff at Guitar Center will hook you up! Green Tag Sales all the time, vintage/used gear at giveaway prices, and the salespeople will meet (and beat) any advertised price from anyone...plus they'll throw in some drum sticks, guitar strings and pics, and 1/4" patch cords with your purchase! It's a brand new store in Lakeland and its grand opening isn't until this time next month! Hey wait...this is m00n's thread...his moment of glory! I really want him to setup those Belles properly so he can hear for himself what all Belle owners here have told him all along! And maybe use different components than his HT equipment...his Belles are very unforgiving with the wrong gear. Eventually, he'll hear a major difference! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShapeShifter Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 M00n, Congratulations on the Belles and their safe arrival. A good cleaning of the networks, their connections and several applications of Boiled Linseed Oil will have them looking great. My Belles are 76 Model year too, they are completely original. To me, time and money would be better spent towards getting your source components. I'm sure you will get the best placement the room & wife allows. Best to ya, Wes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00n Posted March 26, 2003 Author Share Posted March 26, 2003 Again, thanks all... Too many replies to address each and everyone givin my time constraints right now. I plan on cleaning the crossovers and connections. And again oiling them hopefully this weekend. BTW, how long with the oil stench stick around? m00n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 That's why you use 'boiled' linseed oil instead of 'raw'. The boiled oil has drying agents in it -- should be smell free in a few hours. I wouldn't call it a 'stench' -- I kind of like the smell myself. The buzz lasts a few hours more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00n Posted March 26, 2003 Author Share Posted March 26, 2003 Huston, we have a problem... The sub driver in one base bin is not working... Just posted a message in the Troubleshooting forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterbwreal Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 Geez, we are becoming total paranoids! Boiled linseed oil will not harm you, unless (like an idiot) you drink it. It will not harm your children, unless they lick it while the wood is damp, in which case they might throw up. Most children will not lick things (like speakers) unless they taste good. Boiled linseed oil does not taste good. I have been refinishing furniture using linseed oil for 40 years, and it has never made me or anyone else sick. In fact, I sort of like the smell, and I'm normal, damn it! JUST ASK ME! Attached is a Klipsch publication advising you to oil your cabinets several times a year, using "quality furniture oil". Boiled linseed oil is a "quality furniture oil". Last month I bought a set of '86 Belles which had some scratches and water rings on the top. I used 000 steel wool and some elbow grease, along with lots of boiled linseed oil and the marks almost disappeared. The second time (2 weeks later)the marks DISAPPEARED and the cabinets acquired a rich, deep *G*L*O*W*. Since this bulletin will aonly allow one attachment, I'll do a second with a pic of the Belle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterbwreal Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 Here's a phot of the oiled Belle - the right upper corner had severe water rings on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00n Posted March 27, 2003 Author Share Posted March 27, 2003 peterbwreal, WOW, that looks like a brand new speaker! I am very impressed. Guess I better get to rubben. So you used steel whool eh? I would never have guessed something like that would be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterbwreal Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 Go buy the finest steel wool you can find: 000 or 0000 (0000 is better if available). Unroll the pad and use half at a time. Pour some linseed oil on the top of the speaker and start scrubbing WITH THE GRAIN. Do the whole speaker, paying particular attention to any imperfections. Like I said in my first post, one of my speakers had big black water rings, about 98% of which came out. You can't tell where they were unless I point it out to you, or you REALLY look hard. When you're done, wait about 15 minutes and wipe it down with old rags. Wait a few weeks and do it again - wipe it down and when dry polish with an old towel. I had a pair of KG4s (which had no imperfections) and used to wipe on boiled linseed oil every six months or so. The wood just drinks up the oil. I just gave the KG4s to my son and they look like new. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00n Posted March 27, 2003 Author Share Posted March 27, 2003 So if I understand you correctly, your saying rub with the oil, don't try rub the veneer. Yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterbwreal Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 Just soak the steel wool pad and scrub in the direction of the grain, not across the grain. The veneer is quite durable and will not be damaged unless it is already peeling. Fine steel wool when moistened with oil is not nearly as abrasive as you think. I start by pouring some oil on the top and then working it in with the steel wool. Obviously you can't pour oil in the vertical panels, so pour it on the steel wool pad and work with it. The wood will drink up an amazing amount of oil. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00n Posted March 27, 2003 Author Share Posted March 27, 2003 Peter, thanks for you help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt1stcav Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 I can't wait to see your Belles after a good linseed oil rubbin'! Hope you get your bass problem resolved! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00n Posted March 27, 2003 Author Share Posted March 27, 2003 Oh yeah, I will post some pics... I will get this issue resolved there is no doubt about that. I am not going to spend this amount on these baddies to have a blown driver for long Even with a blown woofer driver, I can already tell what I like and don't like about them. I am truly amaized just from the little exposure I have had with them, how placement does play a part. If I move my head just a couple of inches, I can hear a big difference in sound. I think battle on the WAF front is coming along good. I think we may have comprimised on something. However it requires getting rid of a couch and getting a new nice chair. This works for both and gives me more room along the wall that I want to use. ... I may not be able to get a full 12' sepparation, but I should be able to get about 8' center to center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbflash Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 m00n, check this out: http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/ Scrool down and you will see an article on furniture repair. Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterbwreal Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 Moon, this is a good article, but remember that it primarily addresses finishes which have "lacquer, varnish, polyurethane, or shellac" coats on them. I believe Klipsch did make a varnished cabinets (I've seen some Cornwalls), but many of cabinets were simply "oiled wood", as mine are. From your pictures, yours look like they are oiled wood, but I may be wrong. If they have a protective coating on them, they will have to be stripped completely before you can finish them in oil. "Oiled wood" finishes are not glossy like varnish or polyurethane, etc. finishes are, but simply raw wood with oil on them. So, make certain of what you are starting with. Using steel wool on a "finished" cabinet will probably screw up the finish. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00n Posted March 27, 2003 Author Share Posted March 27, 2003 Na, they are not coated with anything at all... Just wood and stain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungkiman Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 Brass wool is even better, I'm told. Any bits of steel wool "snagged" by the wood grain might eventually oxidize (rust) and stain the surrounding veneer. Just a thought. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut-Throat Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 Chris, Good luck on trying to find the Brass Wool. I tried and finally gave up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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