Hel Guedj Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 In the book about PW Klipsch, there are pics and topics about the last born Jubilee. What about those ? Are they sold somewhere ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artto Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 At the present time it's only available in a commercial theater version, the KPT-Jubilee. The last I heard (June 03) there are no immediate plans (no rush) to bring the domestic 2-way version into production. They were having some issues with finding a source to produce the mid-high frequency horn to specification. And I don't think they had decided on the material the final production model will be built with. Add to that, the fact that Klipsch is currently introducing so many low-priced models of speakers, it's their priority to attend to these high volume money makers first. From the Klipsch Product Search, select 'Professional Cinema' -> 'Behind-the-Screen' -> KPT-Jubilee By the way, welcome to the Forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hel Guedj Posted September 17, 2003 Author Share Posted September 17, 2003 Thanks from Paris, France, Artto ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hel Guedj Posted September 17, 2003 Author Share Posted September 17, 2003 By the way, what do you think of Magnum Dynalab ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkrop Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 I have an older analog tuner and love it. What's with the ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hel Guedj Posted September 17, 2003 Author Share Posted September 17, 2003 By the way, adding RSW-15 subwoofer to my pair of KHorns model 2002, would it be a heresy ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-Man Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 So the new comer has a has a sense of humor. I would look into other subs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hel Guedj Posted September 17, 2003 Author Share Posted September 17, 2003 Which ones, dear oracle ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artto Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 Yes, it would be 'Heresy'. Khorns don't really need subs if they are properly set up. And quite frankly, I've never heard of sub that matches well to the efficiency of a Khorn. For instance, in my room, the Khorns are down only 9dB at 20Hz. Basically that translates to about 95dB/watt at 20Hz. Who needs a subwoofer? Besides that, the room size itself becomes the limiting factor to low frequency response. The fact is, in most rooms, at those frequencies, any 'tones' you are hearing are predominantly second and third harmonic distortion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-Man Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 Artto, Have you ever tried a subwoofer with your K-Horns? For movies a good sub is a must. For music, it depends what you listen to. A good sub brings the whole listening experience one step closer to to that realism we are all seeking. 9 dB down at 20 Hz is alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frzninvt Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 You will need a sub or sub(s) capable of high output, very responsive to transients, and the ability to dig deep (below 20Hz). SVS, Velodyne, and a few others out there are up to the task. Maybe The Ear will chime in, he is the subwoofer guru. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAKO Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 Of course you can use the cinema JUBILEE bass unit (throw away its top speakers) and replace with your standard TOP Klipsch cabinet with mids K55 & tweeter K77. Its only money. We spend more than that on automobiles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artto Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 Let me repeat myself. The actual low frequency response of any speaker is determined by the size/proportions of the room. The smaller the room, the higher the low frequency cut-off. This is a fact. Laws of physics. Not my opinion. We saw this demonstrated at the Klipsch Indy Tour. And, the Klipsch RSW15 has a -3dB down point of 19Hz. According to my calculations, in my room, with my system, that would require about eight KSW15's to bring up the low end 9dB at 20Hz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 It's only money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formica Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 ---------------- On 9/18/2003 2:59:15 PM artto wrote: The actual low frequency response of any speaker is determined by the size/proportions of the room. The smaller the room, the higher the low frequency cut-off. This is a fact. Laws of physics. Not my opinion. ---------------- I'm not questioning your post as I realise that you may have summarized... but what phenomenon would produce this low-frequency cutoff and which law of physics would cause it? I'm well aware that wavelengths will more than likely be longer than the room dimensions at lower frequencies... and I also understand on how room resonances will greatly affect one's "frequency responce"... just not sure about the roll off?... Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhornKerry Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 I have never heard a system with SUBs that sounded right. I recently saw a few Scenes of Lord of the Ring at Tweeter on there best system, it had a lot of bass but did not sound natural. I rented the movie and listened to it on my 4 Khorns and it sounded much better. To me the sound of a Khorn is like clear water. Why mix in muddy water of a SUB? Think about this, in real life you don't here over emphasized bass so why do you want your home system to sound boomy or unnatural. I think one can get addicted to over emphasized bass. Withdrawal may take years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IB Slammin Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 ---------------- On 9/17/2003 5:28:50 PM artto wrote: At the present time it's only available in a commercial theater version, the KPT-Jubilee. The last I heard (June 03) there are no immediate plans (no rush) to bring the domestic 2-way version into production. They were having some issues with finding a source to produce the mid-high frequency horn to specification. And I don't think they had decided on the material the final production model will be built with. Add to that, the fact that Klipsch is currently introducing so many low-priced models of speakers, it's their priority to attend to these high volume money makers first. From the Klipsch Product Search, select 'Professional Cinema' -> 'Behind-the-Screen' -> KPT-Jubilee By the way, welcome to the Forum ---------------- Hel, I beleve that artto is exactly right about Indy-Klipsch and the Jubilee.....and that IS Heresy....Like mixing a 50 year old Rothchild with a bottle of Ripple. What ever happened to " limited production models". Yea, I know... $$$$$$$$$$ Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAKO Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 Rothchild or Ripple or better than bottle,d water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Warren Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 ---------------- On 9/18/2003 2:59:15 PM artto wrote: Let me repeat myself. The actual low frequency response of any speaker is determined by the size/proportions of the room. The smaller the room, the higher the low frequency cut-off. This is a fact. Laws of physics. Not my opinion. We saw this demonstrated at the Klipsch Indy Tour. ---------------- So according to your "physics", I should only be able to hear 18kHz and up in my headphones. (For those who aren't so sure of themselves, I suggest that you grab a copy of March 2003 issue of AudioXpress and read Dick Pierce's article "Deep Bass in Small Rooms". He explains the physics, the room rqmnts and the measurement techniques). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artto Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 John, first of all, its NOT MY PHYSICS (unless of course, you want to consider me God). Second, there are no standard procedures for testing the frequency response of headphones. Three, headphones are essentially direct coupled to your ears. Thats a big difference from asking that same speaker (or any speaker) to project the same frequency into the room. Fourth, I think you would be quite surprised at the actual frequency response of any particular headphone. In this environment, what sounds flat to the ear, is not flat at all. http://www.akg.com/akg_structuretree/forum/topics/powerslave,_detail,1,id,280,_language,EN,nodeid,2,mynodeid,105.html?flashgo=1 You can also email hotline@akg.com & request a pdf file that will explain headphone technique further. So no, what ever you (or the manufacturer) seem to think your headphones are capable of, you better think again. 18Hz is stretching it. Just like with speakers, most manufacturers try to extract the most extreme condition from the component. Any output levels & distortion levels specified at those frequency extremes? Yeah right. http://headroom.headphone.com/layout.php?topicID=123 Kerry & Terry...right on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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