garymd Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 As a few of you know, I sold my Marantz last week on ebay. I originally stated US Buyers only but after a call or 2 from Japanese buyers who said I could ship it to friends in the states who would then take care of the overseas shipping, I decided to revise the auction, opening it to overseas bidders but stated that I WILL NOT UNDERVALUE for shipping purposes. A guy from Taiwan won the auction and now wants me to value it at $85!!!!! He says, "Label as Old Preamp. Help me get less then customs." I won't do it. The 2nd highest bidder is also from Taiwan! The highest US bidder is not high enough for me to consider selling. I may just re-list. Any thoughts or similiar experiences? I'm not a happy camper! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piranha Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Gary, Sorry to hear of your troubles with the overseas buyers. I would relist it and exclude overseas buyers. Do USA buyers only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch RF7 Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 I would advise against it, just cancel his bid and relist the item. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Robinson Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Rules are rules. When they bid and win, they accept the contract on your terms. They want you to break Federal laws to save them a few bucks. You're absolutely right in not complying. If they don't want to pay the price, then report them to Ebay for breach of contract and rebid. Post negative feedback on the seller. If you relist, you might indicate in BOLD LETTERING, "customs weasels will be reported!" That should slow them down. Personally, I won't ship or sell to anybody outside the USA anymore. It's just a PITA with all the paperwork and occasional dispute resolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymd Posted March 7, 2004 Author Share Posted March 7, 2004 That's how I started, Piranah. Probably should have left it that way but knew I'd get less. I was hoping one of the Japanese buyers would grab it. Turns out they were just trying to steal it cheap. I know undervaluing is done all the time but I'm just not comfortable with this type of transaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch RF7 Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 If you dont feel comfortable with it then dont do it, personally its not worth the extra few bucks to go through all that hassle and then the possibility of them claiming it never got there and got lost, etc...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H. Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Gary, I had a similar situation. Guy bought my receiver, and then claimed it was junk.....wanted me to pay for freight to get it back....... I sent his money back, and just said keep it........... (he later was thown off ebay.............). Must have missed that sale. Was that the Marantz 7c that you sold?....................if so Wow, sorry for your misfortunes.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymd Posted March 7, 2004 Author Share Posted March 7, 2004 Bill, It was the 7C. It wasn't a great auction anyway. I think relisting will work out better in the long run. I gave the guy 24 hrs to make a decision before I put it back up for auction. Since the 2nd highest bidder was from Taiwan also, I really don't feel like offering it to him either. Is it better to wait a week or to relist right away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H. Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Gary, I suggest you wait, at least three days.....then by all means relist. But as others have said Specify NO overseas bidders/ or shipping .!!! Good Luck to you!................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giribaldo Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 hi, in my opinion, i don't understand why you can't declare less value for the item, also because if is wintage gear noone can say that it really value more... the vat that buyer will pay less are not money that go to US country but to forengin country... but for sure this things the bidder must to ask before to bid, after will be in your right to decide if do in that way or not and bidder must to pay for the item anyway if not is right you give negative feedback. if you think not to do so you correctly give 24 hours to decide, after relist and negative feedback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 It's really never a good idea to allow overseas buyers anyhow. I listed a bass amplifier and stack combo on E-Bay for a friend - only offer i got was from an Indonesian guy who insisted on paying with a credit card only. I refused, offered the alternative of PayPal, Check, or MO, and he refused. Come to find out, Southeast Asia is a hotbed for CC fraud. In all likelihood, the guy had a stolen card anyhow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 I concur with Chris' advice 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymd Posted March 7, 2004 Author Share Posted March 7, 2004 ---------------- On 3/7/2004 4:47:06 PM DeanG wrote: I concur with Chris' advice 100%. ---------------- Same here. Thanks Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile homeless Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 I guess the only two people that disagree would probably be Jeff Lessard and I. PErhaps I am missing something, but how is undervaluing the amp to save him shipping duties going to hurt you? IF you put an agreement in writing that he takes FULL resposibility for the amp, then I dont see how this is really hurting you. Actually, HE is the one taking the big chance, not you. Most will agree to this in writing. I know Jeff wanted me to send stuff to Canada undervalued to avoid duty fees as it was insanely high making a used purchase not with it. Unless I am reading you wrong, isnt this all that is being asked? Ask JEff about it...he has dont this several times. Actually, several forum members have gone this route as well. Again, perhaps I am missing something in the loop but that is what it looks like to me. Of course, if you DID state that you WOULD NOT do it, then you have an easy way out. But if you want to work something out with the guy, I personally dont see anything wrong. He is taking the chance. kh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analogman Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Garymd, Sorry to hear your troubles.Don't forget,Japan then Taiwan helped put people like Saul out of business in the first place.Here's your chance to really level the playing field in a small way."Sell Statedside" It's the Patriotic thing to do!! The Troll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painful Reality Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Underevaluating the paid price value for used stuff is of no consequence for the seller. Nobody can prove that you sold the the item $500 and not $45!. The seller is not at risk in anytime. What is important is to make sure the buyer undertsand that it is HIS risk in case of the package is lost, broken, etc. Which they totally understand in 99.99% of the time. This being said I respect the decision of a salesman not to underevaluate. Therefore I would not ask to undervaluate if I would have bid on an item stating that the seller WON'T underevaluate. But the dreaded "will ship to USA only" on 90% of the items on eBay piss me off to an extent you can't even imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Landau Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Gary, If the buyer is willing to take the risk than I guess that you've got nothing to lose. Just keep a copy of the mail that states that he's willing to take that risk, just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymd Posted March 7, 2004 Author Share Posted March 7, 2004 What happens if it falls out of the airplane and he never receives the item? If the seller wants recourse and the item is only insured for $85, what happens then? Aren't I also committing fraud by doing this? Please enlighten me. I did state specifically that I wouldn't undervalue. Personally, I could care less if he doesn't want to pay his countries taxes. I just don't want ANY risk on my end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Landau Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 You just need to ship it by registered mail and you have a proof that the item was shipped and that the buyer received it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymd Posted March 7, 2004 Author Share Posted March 7, 2004 ---------------- On 3/7/2004 5:45:11 PM analogman wrote: Garymd, Sorry to hear your troubles.Don't forget,Japan then Taiwan helped put people like Saul out of business in the first place.Here's your chance to really level the playing field in a small way."Sell Statedside" It's the Patriotic thing to do!! The Troll ---------------- Analogman, I can never tell if you're serious or not. There's also a big difference between undervaluing to your friend in Canada versus a stranger in Taiwan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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