powdermnky007 Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Does this really make a big difference? DSD, that is. I read a review saying it was great. If so I will have to pick up a dsd sacd title and try it out. -justin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Landau Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 You'll need a player that supports it. (sacd) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powdermnky007 Posted June 21, 2004 Author Share Posted June 21, 2004 I am going to get Arttos Sony C333ES. I just PM'd him. I read a review on the unit and they were playing one and said it sounded better, thats what got me curious -justin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Direct Stream Digital can mean a lot of things. Pure DSD would be a DSD recording not run through any PCM equipment during the engineering phases, played back on an SACD player that doesn't have any PCM processing. There aren't all that many releases like that, pure DSD all the way through. A lot of SACDs have been through a PCM process of one kind or another, whether it be in editing, noise reduction, mixing, etc. That means you essentially have a DVD-A that plays on an SACD player. Usually they are 24 bit/96KHz. That includes the vast majority of Universal/Deutsche Grammophon releases. There are also a lot of SACDs made from old analogue masters, and these generally are excellent, the closest thing possible to the master tapes. P.S. Artto's unit is a good choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powdermnky007 Posted June 21, 2004 Author Share Posted June 21, 2004 Great, I can't wait to get my hands on a couple of DSD cd's. Thanks for the reassurance on the 333. It's not the best sony unit, but I think I will be more than happy with it. A HUGE upgrade for me. -Justin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 ---------------- On 6/21/2004 1:23:11 PM paulparrot wrote: A lot of SACDs have been through a PCM process of one kind or another, whether it be in editing, noise reduction, mixing, etc. That means you essentially have a DVD-A that plays on an SACD player. Usually they are 24 bit/96KHz. That includes the vast majority of Universal/Deutsche Grammophon releases. ---------------- Actually the mastering engineers that are doing the PCM cleanup on old analog masters are using 24bit/384Khz ADC's and using 32bit upwards of 56bit digital processors to do the actual work - so it's a far cry from straight DVD-A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisK Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 ---------------- On 6/21/2004 1:01:08 PM powdermnky007 wrote: Does this really make a big difference? DSD, that is. I read a review saying it was great. If so I will have to pick up a dsd sacd title and try it out. -justin ---------------- You might try taking a peek at www.audioasylum.com. Once there, go to the Digital - SACD forum. There are some very well versed participants that come down on both sides of the DSD debate. Some say it's a great thing, others believe it's a sham created by Sony and Phillips for purposes other than audio quality. Most of the SACD's I own sound great whether or not they are DSD. Overall they get to about 90% of the sound quality I get from good vinyl. Then again some sound like doo-doo. A close friend of mine who is an executive at UMG described the the current format situation as "...we'll (UMG) take as many bites of the apple as we can get...". Or, you might say, just how many times will these audio nuts buy the same recording? Another point of view was that discussed on the Audio Asylum... "Like the old saying in Washington, D.C. says, "Follow the money." The very real possibility of a format "war" seems to be driven by two forces - the DVD group wanting to wrest away the CD hardware and software royalty stream that Sony and Philips have enjoyed for the last decade-and-a-half, and Sony/Philips equally anxious to maintain it, although spokespersons for Sony deny that this is the motivating factor behind DSD." Chris PS While the Sony C333ES is certainly a nice player, there are more than a few reports of problems with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymd Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 About time someone took advantage of Artto's great deal. You'll love that unit. Lots of room for upgrades but you probably won't think you need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minn_male42 Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 here's a good info page on SACD and DSD from the telarc website..... http://www.telarc.com/SACD/articles/default.asp?mscssid=45EUCJ46EDBB8G8UQGK95ACJC83K3PA2&pg=sacd_info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artto Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 As far as I'm concerned DSD/SACD is the way to go. 1 bit format is translated easily into any sampling rate, therefore much better for archiving. It also eliminates several 'steps' in the digital recording process that are required in PCM and that are at least in part responsible for the "CD sound". Sound quality wise, very analog-like sound, without the usual digital artifacts & without the analog noise & potential handling/damage/storage problems. But beware, as usual, not all recordings are created equal. Some transfers from will expose the worst regardless of the format, analog or PCM. Others like Miles Davis 'Kind of Blue' (1959?) transfered magnificently. The very best seem to be ones that were recording in DSD format to begin with, although even here I have experienced some letdowns, even from companies like Telarc who should have known (& done) better. For more in depth info: http://www.superaudio-cd.com/technology3.html http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue11/meitnerinterview.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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