colterphoto1 Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 how bout this pair? Muncie is about 45 min from Indy. Is this a fair price? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5711286156&category=61378&sspagename I have also been in contact with another owner who has a pair that failed to meet bid minimum. He says he'll take 800 each. They are in Tampa and I have a cousin there who could pick them up for me. In general, what is the price range depending on condition and finish? Thanks- looking forward to supplementing my Cornwalls! Hopefully you'll be able to welcome me to the next level very soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3dzapper Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 Closed auctions on ebay reveals an average of 2200 lately for Khorns in good condition. That would put the opening bid in the right range. These are late models which might add a little if they are equipped with AK-3 crossovers. Did you email the seller for more information and pictures? I brightened up the image from ebay for a better look: GOOD LUCK!!!! Too bad everybody can't be as lucky as Gary. Rick Edit: Remember to figure in the cost of transportation to your home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gullahisland Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 Value can fluctuate pretty widely on Klipschorns. Generally, anywhere between $1,200-3,000 is the standard range. Ask the seller to forward some pictures and a description of the overall condition and post the pics here. I think we can collectively give you a pretty good idea of whether or not it seems like a fair deal. $1,600 (his asking price) is a pretty fair price if they're raw birch in very good condition or a real wood finish in fair to good condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fini Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 Hey Dan, did you score those Belles? Man, they looked good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheltie dave Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 If the pair in question down in Tampa are the 1965 B Khorns in raw fir, they may be worth $1600. They may be worth $800. It is hard to tell with the woofers being reconed and the caps replaced by a company in the Tampa area that does a lot of Radio Shack work. If the crossover work was done by Al, Bob, or Dean, and woofers reconed by the shop in Orlando, I would buy em for $1600 in a heartbeat. I have seen antique cars fall both ways. A good perfectionist will often badmouth a car, point out all its faults, and sell it for a very reasonable price to an enthused newbie. You might also have a PT Barnum who extols the car, describes it as a total restoration, and find out the total restoration was a new coat of spraycan paint and footwell carpeting. The previous (and original) owner of my '63 Khorn never let a single scratch mar the surface, and treated it as a fragile terra cotta urn. It is in better shape than any other speakers I have besides the new Heresys. This one was far better than advertised, and will be held for Liam when he gets his first house Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymd Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 Those look beautiful. The oak's grain looks great. $1600 for that pair seems more than fair. Bill pm'd me last night as he ran across the original receipt for the khorns and wanted to know if he could mail it to me. One nice gesture after another. Of course I asked him to if it wasn't too much trouble. He said he paid $1520 in 1976 for them in unfinished birch (KCBR) plus had them professionally veneered some years later. Edit: I just looked at the auction. Wrong pair. I thought that was a good price for those oak models. Any pics of the $1600 pair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted July 24, 2004 Author Share Posted July 24, 2004 Thanks for the input gang. There are actually TWO sales though. The current Ebay listing w photo for the oak pair is in Indiana, very near to me. They look to be in excellent shape, but costly. The other pair is at $1600 in the Tampa area and I would have to have these pickup up sight unseen. If I can get detailed photos of woofer cone and xover, as well as all cabinet angles, would this help alleviate fears of a 'butchered' pair of khorns? Thanks for the help. I've only recently been drooling thinking about owning a pair of these babies. They almost seem easier to find than another pair of Cornwalls. In actuality, even my new home does not have a room with two suitable corners for khorns, so WHAT AM I THINKING!! HELP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3dzapper Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 Gary, Those are the ones on ebay in Muncie, Indiana for $2300 opening bid/ $2750 BIN. Sheltie Dave says the ones in Fla are raw fir. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gullahisland Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 The OAK KLIPSHORNS are NOT the pair in question. I agree with Dave. A LOT of investigation will be required to determine whether $1,600 is a fair deal. fini - NOPE. I was the proverbial day late and dollar short. Actually, just missed it by one email. They sure did look nice and BOY was the price right. I actually offered MORE than $900 in hopes of securing the deal. For now, the LaScalas that I picked up will have to do. They are quite nice. I'll post some pictures soon. Of course, until the Klipschorns are finally picked up/delivered to their new owner, the LaScalas are living out in the garage! Hey Dave - What was the final verdict on the walnut veneer??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymd Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 I figured that out and edited my response. Helps to read more thoroughly. Plus I'm a little slow these days. Spending too much time flipping lps. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted July 24, 2004 Author Share Posted July 24, 2004 I've never heard of raw fir. Not much of cabinet grade, I suppose, since fir is a soft wood they make standard grade plywood and 2x4's out of. Would that be some type of utility grade cabinet? Even if they're mechanically in good shape, I'd have to drive to FL in truck to pick em up, then probably spend hours on a veneer project. The pair in Muncie sounds like a better deal. Would anyone have any particular feeling about a good price on these? Thanks for help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J M O N Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 ---------------- On 7/24/2004 9:37:38 PM colterphoto1 wrote: The pair in Muncie sounds like a better deal. Would anyone have any particular feeling about a good price on these? Thanks for help. ---------------- If you can get them at $2300, I don't think that would be a bad price since they seem to be in very good condition based on the photos. Personally, I don't look too hard at Khorns if they are over two grand, but you have to consider your location, whether you can see them before buying, and how often they come up in your area. Luckily, I have lived in areas where Klipsch are plentiful and have been able to get good deals on them. If Oak is what you are looking for, these may be a better option than the ones in Florida. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tillmbil Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Hey Dave did you get me PM? The Oak horns look great. I live in Tampa if you got serious about the ones in Tampa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg928gts Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 IMO, I don't think the BIN on those Oak ones is too far off the mark. What's a few hundred bucks anyway? If they're in great shape, they're easy to go get, and you're going to own them for a while, go get em! Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H. Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Colter, EDIT: 1. Don't get into a bidding war. Go to www.auctionsniper.com and put in the largest amount you would / could bid...... 2. Or just wait and buy some later on, when you feel more comfortable with the purchase. Is there a WAF to consider? besides the placement issues you speak about? Good Luck either way ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted July 25, 2004 Author Share Posted July 25, 2004 Okay, so the fir ones in FL are right out. Too far, not nice cabinetry, questionable components. The OAK khorns in Muncie look do-able, but do I really need them for that price. I'm new at e-bay. Will they probably go for the 2750 BIN?, or do I need to play the bidding war? If so, according to what I've heard, that's really not a GOOD buy, other than that they are really close to me and I will be able to inspect/hear before buying. The other item is that my home is not really ideally suited to khorns. My family room does have 3/4 thick solid pine paneling, so the horns could sit against a REAL SOLID wall on one side, but I'd have to construct the fake half-walls. The other possible room has baseboard radient heat that protrudes about 2 1/2 inches from the wall. This would also make placement difficult. I have a basement room that could I could turn into a HT, with concrete block walls all the way around, but then I'd have to totally refinish the room and give acoustical treatment. In this area (heavy rains, sometimes flooding) I hesitate to put beloved khorns in a basement, even with dual sump pumps. See my predicament. I'd dearly love to own the flagship, can afford it, but maybe I'm just dreaming. Help me out IndyKlipschFan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flason Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Maybe question the components, but fir is nice wood. My '69's are stained from bare wood and I think they look great. The pic looks lighter than they are in the house due to that Florida sunshine, but the grain pattern looks nice to me. I don't think I would give the guy in Tampa $1600, but then again, I'm a cheap SOB. If you could get them for a little cheaper, you could make picking up the Khorns a little vacation. We have great fishing down here as well as all the big amusement parks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheltie dave Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Bill, my email for whatever reason is on the fritz again. I'm taking my wife's laptop to a friend's house and try again. The first response was great, the second will be the Reader's Digest version. Time and gas to Florida, packing them up, and worrying during the transport is about five to six hundred $$. They will then need a veneer job to be presentable in high fashion - another $500. The oak pair in Indiana at $2300 will end up being a far better deal, as they are turnkey AND beautiful already. The guy in Tampa is some sort of engineer AND is the original owner, so he should know what he is talking about, but the raw fir industrial Khorns in my book top out at about $1200. I just question how hard he rode them if both woofers had cracks in them, considering all the vintage Klipsch woofers I have seen die via the magnet area and not from the cone cracking. There is no opportunity for access to damage the cone, and it is enormously sturdy. My recommendation would fall to purchasing the living room quality OO in Indiana, without even much thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnWhite Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Of course You could ask a forum member that lives about 45 minutes from Tampa to swing by and look at them, Heck you might even be able to get that same forum member to pick them up and hold them till you can arrange shipping or come down for vacation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mace Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 I too noticed those khorns on ebay in Muncie! It is not too far for me either. I'm really not looking for Khorns so i'll pass this time. I did notice another auction from TX which has the same verbiage as the Muncie one. Perhaps the seller just copied??? Compare: KHorn Auction IN link KHorn Auction TX link Later, Mace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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