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Last year I attended the Rocky Mountian Audio Fest. This audio show is devoted to 2 channel audio reproduction

and my intention at the show was to track down some tube equipment that I have not had the opportunity to listen to.

At that time Rogue Audio was looking good to me.

Anyway my big surprise was a solid state system by Odyssey Audio. This

equipment was very tube-like in it's presentation. The Rogue equipment

was ok but the Odyssey ended up much higher on my list . I've

been wondering if

anyone here has listened to the Odyssey amp and if you were as impressed as I was.

I found this auction on e-bay ....

http://cgi.ebay.com/Odyssey-Stratos-Designed-by-Symphonic-Line-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ5807363049QQcategoryZ39783QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

and others on Audigon... http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstran&1131756053

Here's the link to this years R.M. Audio Fest (highly recommended).... http://www.audiofest.net/

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I guess we should ask the question, why should ANY amplifier with high fidelity aspirations, sound "Flubby, Tubby bass, no Highs..."?

I make this comment regardless of tube or solid state configeratiions. Many less expensive lower powered solid state designs sound anaemic - as do many cheaper lower powered tube designs. Although I don't think that just because something is lower powered means it is necessarily not capable of hi-fi performance.

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Any more, I am convinced that most folks have no interest in components that simply reproduce the program source accurately as it was produced (be it well or poorly done).

Instead what most desire, even if they do not know it, is a SansAmp, whereby they can wave shape the response until it exhibits the characteristcs they desire, just as a muscian can emulate any amp or distortion or effect they may desire.

And lest you write this off, if you have not actually worked with or used a SansAmp, you HAVE nevertheless heard them on countless recordings and live performances! They are amazing units!

For home use check out the PSA. Dial in any tube sound you like. Literally.

http://www.tech21nyc.com/sansamp_intro.html

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When entry level, merely a middle of the road amp entered you into the world of audio.

For me there are just too many to listen to in a year or a decade to confirm exemplary performance.

Find one or two inexpensive alternatives as realistic baselines; then

venture out into a design that is out of your frame of reference. I

just amp roll rather than tube roll.

Me? I just have to try a NAIM SS integrated amp one of these years

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Any more, I am convinced

that most folks have no interest in components that simply reproduce

the program source accurately as it was produced (be it well or poorly

done).

Instead what most desire, even if they do not know it,

is a SansAmp, whereby they can wave shape the response until it

exhibits the characteristcs they desire, just as a muscian can emulate

any amp or distortion or effect they may desire.

And lest you

write this off, if you have not actually worked with or used a SansAmp,

you HAVE nevertheless heard them on countless recordings and live

performances! They are amazing units!

For home use check out the PSA. Dial in any tube sound you like. Literally.

http://www.tech21nyc.com/sansamp_intro.html

I, indeed have a SansAmp, DraGon ....

it is a convenient source .......Of Tube sound ....!!

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Any more, I am convinced

that most folks have no interest in components that simply reproduce

the program source accurately as it was produced (be it well or poorly

done).

Instead what most desire, even if they do not know it,

is a SansAmp, whereby they can wave shape the response until it

exhibits the characteristcs they desire, just as a muscian can emulate

any amp or distortion or effect they may desire.

And lest you

write this off, if you have not actually worked with or used a SansAmp,

you HAVE nevertheless heard them on countless recordings and live

performances! They are amazing units!

For home use check out the PSA. Dial in any tube sound you like. Literally.

http://www.tech21nyc.com/sansamp_intro.html

This is something I've been struggling with for a while...

The whole original intent for home audio is strictly entertainment. It

is also well known that the majority of recordings out there just plain

suck (at least the majority of rock). So this begs the question, "Do I

actually want to hear what was recorded?" If I had a perfect recording,

then I would most certainly want to have the purest playback

possible...but does that perfect recording exist (let alone the perfect

playback system)? We're essentially forced to determine which sets of

distortion we find most pleasing or least distracting (similar to how a

guitar player chooses to distort the sound of his guitar). There is a

lot of music I like and want to listen to, but can never find a good

recording - but they are listenable on crappy systems (and thus

enjoyable in those environments).

But at the same time I feel there is great merit to being able to

accurately reproduce a good recording...but when it comes down to it,

this would require the standardization of the listening environment.

Specific room sizes and geometries, dedicated listening positions and

all that shnazz (heck, it could even get down to speaker and upstream

equipment selection as well). But would it really account to a better

sound and more enjoyment? I've heard a lot of great recordings in many

different quality studios, yet they all sounded better when I brought

them home and played them on my system....this would imply that the old

phrase "garbage in = garbage out" isn't totally true....

Anyways, I'll stop for now because I'm way off topic and could go on for hours...

Btw, I hold to the viewpoint that niether SS or Tube is better....both

have their own limitations and it is up to the user to decide which

makes the music more enjoyable. For me...I'm yet to hear a tube amp

that does my music justice.

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Any more, I am convinced that most folks have no interest in components that simply reproduce the program source accurately as it was produced (be it well or poorly done).

Btw, I hold to the viewpoint that neither SS or Tube is better....both have their own limitations and it is up to the user to decide which makes the music more enjoyable. For me...I'm yet to hear a tube amp that does my music justice.

I run both. Yeah, a few here (based on past comments) will be amazed to know that!

As far as one topology being all that and the other not... NONSENSE!

But I do get a kick out of so many trying to debate which topology is better when operated outside of their linear range. And therein lies the fundamental error!

And since we do not have access and control over the necessary fundamental program components to actually make beneficial improvements, I suspect that unless you simply enjoy creating fun party effects, that the goal of reproducing an accurate representation of the (however flawed) program source is all we can aspire to!

If you want to engineer, quit playing with the wrong set of tools and become an engineer! they might even let you wear the hat! Oh, or is that the wrong kind of engineer! Maybe, but correctly suited to many with this seemingly erroneous aspiration!![:P][:D][6]

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After searching for the same thing, I was told to give a Pure Class A amp a try. I have a pair of Forte Model 7 Amps, which sound very nice. This passed week I picked up a Krell KSA-50S amp, that has just a little more bottom and crispness, than does the Forte's. Both are very nice and around $1000.00 used. I had an Odyssey Khartago for awhile, but it just did not sound right in my setup.

Joe

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Class A are some fine heaters!

Seriously, just be aware up front of the additional heat load they present (I was literally able to close off the heating vents to the room during the winter! ...of course during the summer they were WIDE open for cooling!) and the nifty additional load they will present to your utility bill!

Both Krell and Pass make some nice class A units!

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I dunno...as far as a transistorized amp sounding anything like a tube amp goes, I think some manufacturers have created a few SS amps that can come close to a tube-like sound. But none have ever achieved total valve tonality IMO. Carver, McIntosh, and Monarchy Audio have come close (real close), but nothing IMO can duplicate the sonority of a vacuum tube than a REAL, honest-to-goodness vacuum tube!

Just my two cents...[:|]

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This perceived goal of making a SS amp with the additional distortion characterisitcs of a tube amp is questionable at best!

How about accurate reproduction without the additional distortion characterisitcs!

I am really not interested in an effects generator! As mentioned earlier, if I want that, I will add a SansAmp!

Wouldn't it be nice if the goal was a device, be it tube, SS or made of linguine, with a transfer function that showed no difference between the input and output! Of course I suspect that most here would hate it!

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The notion that Tube Amps are by definition better or worse than Solid

State Amps is pure nonsense. A poor tube amp sounds every bit as

bad as a its solid state equivalent. The same can be said for good tube

amps vs. good solid state amps.

In the final analysis there are only three kinds of amps: Good,Bad and Indifferent.

I use a tube amp not because I dislike solid state amps but simply

because the amp that sounded best to me for the re$ource$ I had

available the last time I went amp shopping was a tube amp. Had I heard

better for the same or fewer dollars in a solid state amplifier I would

have purchased a solid state amp.

In my opinion the only important issue when evaluating an amp is "How does it sound<to me> with my speakers?"

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