Well finally Klipsch was De-throned in my system!

[thirdeye]

One final question - as I

understand it you are planning to use this new setup for music

listening. Is the ability to go down below 20 Hz important in your

opinion for music?

Max, This is just a Spec. in the end, but

what I find important is to not have restriction in the end, so why

not? Especially Knowing it is possible to get some frequencys we miss

on recordings due to limited bandwith.

I'll

give my 2 cents here. There is a school of thought that a speaker

should produce quality sound an octave below and above auditory limits

of the human ear (although that is a pesky thing to make the same for

all folks). My experince has been that it is reasonable to do so

and that there 'seems' to be some difference when folks do so.

I try to design my listening rooms for just that and I am quite pleased.

So

if 40 hz is as low as a grooved piece of vinyl gets, then the 20 hz

meets my octave rule (in this case an octave below the reasobaly

produced lower limit).

Yeah I need another room down the road to tighten everything up no

doubt, but hey its good when it works just forcing to work! Just

kidding, Hey vinyl only gets down to 40 hz in general? Cause I know

that without a subsonic filter in the phono stage you hear all the like

18 hz and below surface noise sometimes, just simply from the needle

running in the grove and picking it up, but I had a phono amp with my

klipsch that would Kick the hell out of the woofers bouncing them in

and out of the cabinet pretty violently untill I added a phono stage

with subsonic filter built in.. Who knows.

[johnyholiday]

The Dogdish; traynor ysc7

[johnyholiday]

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[Duke Spinner]

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Johnny like them cheap RCF drivers ..????..

[cmdridq]

They sure are interesting. Usually these kind of things are viewed with skepticism but I'm thinking if you can get your money back after 3 months, they must be pretty confident that you will like them. I'd love to hear them some day. Good luck with them!

[D-MAN]

People can poo-poo horns all they want. Choosing a speaker that better fits one's life style is an entirely personal choice.

I think that its pretty safe to say that they will have to pay alot more to get the same bang for the buck, all things being equal.

As to as having a full range driver capable of the previously mentioned response, well, that sort of flies in the face of physics... unless it is drastically "boosted" with an EQ. So much for not having a crossover!

I'd have to hear it to believe it, so until then, I remain sceptical.

DM

[metalmaniac]

Thirdeye happy to hear your enjoying the ZU Cable speakers, they definitly look interesting to me. The Druid mk4 with a pair of subs seems like it would be a more economical way to go possibly? Anyways, I just find it funny how the people on this forum are so closed minded. Everyone hears differantly, so Klipsch is not gonna be the speaker for everyone. I think most of the people who will never admit that there are speakers that are better than Klipsch out there, either have never heard a truly great speaker or they have and cannot afford them so they refuse to admit they are better than Klipsch. Klipsch is a great inexpensive speaker especially for HT and rock music, but its definitly no where near accurate, take it for what it is people a fun/exciting but colored speaker that is great with some music like rock and not very good with others that is priced so that the average music lover can afford them. All that being said, I am still a huge Klipsch fan and have loved every pair that I have owned!! But I know there are lots of other speakers that are as good if not better than Klipsch. So people need to wake up and realize there are many great speakers out there. Try listening to some of then before you automatically descide that they arent any good.

[DrWho]

There's a difference between deciding something doesn't sound good and

noting that something advertises defying the laws of physics...If it

sounds good, then great - no skin off my back. If it lives up to its

claims, then we better go take a look at the physics again.

And you have but to name some of the many options available that sound way better [] You'll find it a most subjective issue.

And though I totally agree that any offerings from Klipsch are by no

means the epitomy of audio, I am of the mindset that the fidelity of

one's system should not exceed the fidelity of the source material. Why

would I want my system to bring out the flaws in the very music I'm

trying to enjoy? I would much rather spend the extra $10,000 on music

than squeezing another ounce of performance out of my limited

collection. Heck, I would rather put a lot of that money towards

acoustical treatment where most of the systems limitations reside

anyway.

(btw, 10,000 is just a random number I pulled outta the air for the additional cost a "nicer" pair of speakers might go for).

[metalmaniac]

Your right if you dont have the high quality electronics in the front end of the system then a better more revealing speaker is a waste. garbage in garbage out. Like I said, I am a Klipsch owner and fan and I love how they do rock and metal esepcially on a budget. I really dont know how describe this, but the best way i can explain it is that the more expensive and or higher end speakers are just more refined sounding. To make a quick analogy, lets say that music is a digital image, the higher end speaker seem to have more pixels, the music is more finely resolved, clearer and smoother and more natrual sounding. Its like comparing a photo scanned at 300dpi(klipsch) to one scaned at 1200dpi(high end speaker). Both photos you can see the picture but the high resolution one is nicer to look at. I think some of the people around this forum should go check out one of the truly great speakers out there, just to get an idea of how good a sytem can sound, you may be surprised to find that your beloved klipschs are not the end all best ever speakers. Again I am not putting Klipsch down in any way, i love mine, but take them for what they are, a budget speaker mainly for HT use that also does rock very well. happy listening

[DrWho]

Your right if you dont have the high quality

electronics in the front end of the system then a better more revealing

speaker is a waste. garbage in garbage out....

I'm talking more about the original source material itself...the

physical CD or LP that you're trying to listen to. If you like the

music, then the resolution of the system must not exceed that of the

recording itself - lest you find yourself no longer able to enjoy the

music (which afterall is the entire purpose of a "good" sound system).

To put it another way, I have heard some fricken amazing things on

other systems (way out of my reach), but so far everytime the music I

bring ends up sounding most unbearable...yet it's magical on my own

"cheap" system. However, I'm yet to be able to quanitify these most

subjective experiences (dunno if it's even possible either).

[psg]

I am not putting Klipsch down in any way, i

love mine, but take them for what they are, a budget speaker mainly for

HT use that also does rock very well. happy listening

That's the first time I've seen KHorns described as a budget speaker mainly for HT use that also does rock very well!

That's hilarious!

I'll be sure to recommend them the next time a friend asks for recommendations for a budget HT system!

[Fish]

I'm not sure anyone here thinks Klipsch are the best speakers on the

planet.I am sure that they make the best sounding speakers in a given

price range,at least all I've tried.I just had a pair of $3500 speakers

in my house to replace some rf5s and a 12 sub.To my amazement the 5s

were as good as a 110lb per speaker w/a 1500watt amp in each one.At

first I was disappointed,then I returned em'and felt much better.These

speakers had rave,gushing reviews of the wonderful sound they make,all

bs,all imo.

[wstrickland1]

I'm not sure anyone here thinks Klipsch are the best speakers on the planet.

My Klipsch set up is the best sounding system on the planet. Why? Because they're in MY house surrounding MY chair and I can listen to them anytime I want. I can't listen to anyone else's "superior" system from MY space.

[Fish]

Well,I'm glad I said I wasn't sure.Congratulations.

[stan krajewski]

I'm not sure anyone here thinks Klipsch are the best speakers on the planet.

My

Klipsch set up is the best sounding system on the planet.

Why? Because they're in MY house surrounding MY chair and I can

listen to them anytime I want. I can't listen to anyone else's

"superior" system from MY space.

Thank you!

When I was a much younger man, there were a lot of listening rooms in

the NYC tri-state area (much more than today) where you could bring

your own LPs, sit down, take your time and really get into it.

Today the salesman just don't leave you alone. Constant jabbering

and pressuring .

How could you buy a speaker system that you never listend

to? I've done it myself and fully admit it ain't the

smartest thing to do.

Incidentally, buying speakers was an wonderful adventure in the 60's and 70's.

After all, it's YOU thats going to be listening to YOUR system!

[cmdridq]

Anyways, I just find it funny how the people on this forum are so closed minded. Everyone hears differantly, so Klipsch is not gonna be the speaker for everyone. I think most of the people who will never admit that there are speakers that are better than Klipsch out there, either have never heard a truly great speaker or they have and cannot afford them so they refuse to admit they are better than Klipsch.

There are of course some closed-minded fanboys here, what else would you expect at a Klipsch website? But I also think that there are a lot more open-minded audiophiles than you would apparently suspect. I have owned at least a half dozen high end speakers of various brands and currently own Klipsch, but I know there are better sounding speakers than mine out there in the world. But for the money and the kind of music I currently listen to, I think that I have pretty much optimized my solution.

[D-MAN]

There are of course some closed-minded fanboys here, what else would you expect at a Klipsch website? But I also think that there are a lot more open-minded audiophiles than you would apparently suspect. I have owned at least a half dozen high end speakers of various brands and currently own Klipsch, but I know there are better sounding speakers than mine out there in the world. But for the money and the kind of music I currently listen to, I think that I have pretty much optimized my solution.

A voice of reason in a mad world. Refreshing!

DM

[thirdeye]

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