Allan Songer Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 With more 5.1 out there every day and DTS HD coming, I'm not putting any more into VINYL. I will never own a 5.1 system or anything DTS HD. I bought my first Television bigger than 13" about 10 years ago. Now I own a 27" TV. I guess I'll have to buy a new one when the standards change. I don't even have cable or sattelite TV--but I will get it again when the Sopranos new season starts airing--then I'll cancel it again when it's over. I have no interest in Home Theater, Surround Sound, Concert DVDs, etc. I can't think of a bigger waste of time or money. But RECORDS? They are my most prized possessions and I have gotten more enjoyment out of them than you can imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev313 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I enjoy my HT gear, but not nearly as much as my 2 channel. 5.1 music ain't never gonna happen for me. I've tried it on the HT gear, but it sounds a little to artificial for me. Buy hey, if reproducing the 1812 cannons in your music is also your cup of tea, that special effects stuff might be what you are looking for. As for vinyl vs. cd, that debate is beat to death and there is no more reason to rehash it here as there is to revisit set vs. pp (oddly, that debate might have been rendered moot since Jeff M. joined on!). Oh well, I like jazz, I like SET, I like vinyl and you Led Zepplin bastards can listen to yer own damn systems.[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookman Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Try the Eagles Melbourne concert in DTS and switch it to stereo and then switch it back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted January 11, 2006 Author Share Posted January 11, 2006 You'll regret it, Duke. I got rid of all my vinyl a few years ago. Now I'm building it back up. eddie .... this has been in the forefront, for quite some time i don't see Ever going back ... ..........Most of what I listen to, is not on Vinyl ...it's live/ studio recordings ..........most of what i Might want to listen to, on Vinyl .............sounds like crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I enjoy my HT gear, but not nearly as much as my 2 channel. 5.1 music ain't never gonna happen for me. I've tried it on the HT gear, but it sounds a little to artificial for me. Buy hey, if reproducing the 1812 cannons in your music is also your cup of tea, that special effects stuff might be what you are looking for. As for vinyl vs. cd, that debate is beat to death and there is no more reason to rehash it here as there is to revisit set vs. pp (oddly, that debate might have been rendered moot since Jeff M. joined on!). Oh well, I like jazz, I like SET, I like vinyl and you Led Zepplin bastards can listen to yer own damn systems.[] As a Led Zeppelin bastard, I still swear by vinyl. There is a lot out there that is not on CD, and what it is is tasty stuff. However, if enough people forsake vinyl again, maybe some of the insane prices will come down for the rest of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Now I own a 27" TV. I guess I'll have to buy a new one when the standards change. I don't even have cable or sattelite TV--but I will get it again when the Sopranos new season starts airing--then I'll cancel it again when it's over. Ah Allan, the Sopranos sound much better in surround sound. I also have a 27" TV, but hey, it's a small room. ________________________________________________________ In my previous post, when I typed bastard, it came out ***. "You bastards." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago_Pete Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I thought about ditching my vinyl, taking the procedes and buy a high end CD player. Kept the vinyl, bought a Jolida, not good, bought an AH, not good, bought a new cart, all is well:) Just poking fun. The best, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted January 11, 2006 Author Share Posted January 11, 2006 crap ... i just bought a Jolida ...... well, anyways ... the reviews were good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.records Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Vinyl vs. CD? I will put it this way, my Lp collection is around 6,000 and my CD collection about 50. I guess that puts me in the vinyl camp. But I do occasionally play a CD or 2. I really don't care what format a person enjoys. It's a personal choice and I can see both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott0527 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Spin the Black Circle wahawhahwaha [:'(] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxg Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Good for you Duke. It all comes down to where your music is. If it is on CD - then that is the route to go, if it is on vinyl then - guess what.... I am kinda partial to classical and Opera. Most are available on both - but the range of performances on vinyl is still WAY larger than that on any digital medium. Other than that - the art of buying low noise vinyl is not one that is easily mastered. All vinyl has some noise (surprisingly so do a number of CD's - I think much of it comes from the tape master and eliminating it tends to throw the baby out with the bathwater).As to the ultimate quality of either - does it really matter? If the best music is on vinyl but if it is not music you like what is the point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAPTORMAN Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 The only time I will get rid off my Analog front end is if I need the money to buy a new car. I think that's about how much it cost me. Not a Porsche though--Maybe a small Toyota.[][][][] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmikid Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 I am driving a $500 car, but I am saving up for a TT a few times that. Good points here. I have over 2500 vinyl albums, so for me it's a worthwhile investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Garrison Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 I can understand wanting to get the best out of your vinyl if you have an extensive collection, and putting the money into a really good TT and cartridge to do that makes sense to me. On the other hand... There's no question that CD's smoke vinyl when it comes to sound quality. Dynamic range, background noise, damage (ticks and pops on vinyl vs drop outs [rare] on CD's), wow and flutter, rumble... CD's simply sound a lot better than any record is ever going to sound. There's no possible argument about that. So at what point do you draw the line between wanting to get the best possible, although comprimised, sound out of an existing vinyl collection vs buying everything over again on CD so you can get better sound? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxg Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Funny Ray! "There's no question that CD's smoke vinyl when it comes to sound quality. Dynamic range, background noise, damage (ticks and pops on vinyl vs drop outs [rare] on CD's), wow and flutter, rumble... CD's simply sound a lot better than any record is ever going to sound. There's no possible argument about that." Hillarious even! There is no CD player/CD combo anywhere on earth that can touch a really well set up vinyl rig playing a decent quality record. With its limited sampling (which even the manufacturer's recognized) it just can't get there - it can get a lot closer than of yore - but no banana. You could argue a case for either DVDa or SACD - which do a lot better, but as they have such a limited number of titles available no-one wants to go there. The populus at large have ignored the 2 higher end digital formats en-mass to the point that NEW vinyl outsells the titles of both combined. Wow, flutter and rumble and things of the '70s that are notably absent from any half decent setup today. The vast majority of CD's use a fraction of their POTENTIAL dynamic range and are compressed beyond the point that vinyl ever went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago_Pete Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 I think the CD camp is interpreting that thin, super clean sound as dynamic range. Can you say listener fatigue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Songer Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 So at what point do you draw the line between wanting to get the best possible, although comprimised, sound out of an existing vinyl collection vs buying everything over again on CD so you can get better sound? Nonsense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAPTORMAN Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 I can understand wanting to get the best out of your vinyl if you have an extensive collection, and putting the money into a really good TT and cartridge to do that makes sense to me. On the other hand... There's no question that CD's smoke vinyl when it comes to sound quality. Dynamic range, background noise, damage (ticks and pops on vinyl vs drop outs [rare] on CD's), wow and flutter, rumble... CD's simply sound a lot better than any record is ever going to sound. There's no possible argument about that. So at what point do you draw the line between wanting to get the best possible, although comprimised, sound out of an existing vinyl collection vs buying everything over again on CD so you can get better sound? Your kidding, Right?????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Blacksmith Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 While Cds can sound OK, good even, I think a well recorded LP blows them away. I have some no expense spared demo lps for "Dyangroove" that while the music is dated (who cares, it is great music) the sonics, depth and width of the sound stage, instrument placement and faithful reproduction of the instruments just has no equal in the digital world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Garrison Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Come on, guys. CD's sound a *LOT* better than records, unless the mastering process compromised the sound of the CD. Records have so many shortfalls that there's really no comparison. I suppose that you could find isolated instances where a record, for whatever reason, sounds better than the corresponding CD of the same performance, but by and large records are so inferior to CD's that there's no room to argue the point. While we might debate whether cables do or do not make a difference, or whether power conditioning does anything, or whether power cords impact the sound, or whether well designed amps sound different from each other, those are arguments that reasonable people can entertain. Whether CD's are superior to records, however, is such an obvious and uncontravertable fact that there's no room for argument. Records are a hideous medium compared to CD's. Noise, distortion, limited dynamic range - I can't imagine anyone seriously arguing that records can come close to CD's. Granted, way back in the early to mid 80's a lot of CD's were mastered without an understanding of the medium, and their frequency response was mutilated pretty badly, but that's long behind us. Arguing that records sound better than CD's is sort of like arguing that a 1963 Corvette Sting Ray is a better car than a 2006 Corvette. In it's time, it was a great car... but by any (*ANY*) objective measurement, the 2006 is simply so superior in every conceiveable sense that any comparison is ludicrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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