m00n Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 I've never actually seen a competiton. All I've ever seen is just little clips of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmdridq Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 what an absolutely riduculous 'sport'. But she is a cutie. What other sport is so feeble that ladies can sport long 'nails'? Maybe synchronized swimming? Now there's an exciting event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jheis Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 It's more strenuous than golf, and more exciting than baseball. So is washing the dishes (especially the baseball part). James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Adams Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 This should be the defining statement of what a "sport" is: "It ain't a sport if it can't kill you." Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonbart Posted February 14, 2006 Author Share Posted February 14, 2006 Techincally you could die playing curling. Couple of examples: 1. Drink too much and pass out at the same time your opponent is gliding the stone down and you get hit in the head 2. Drink too much and pass out on the ice and suffer from hypothermia 3. Hit on Cassie Johnson and her gun-weilding boyfriend shoots you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddvj Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Maybe synchronized swimming? Now there's an exciting event. Men's sychronized swimming?Cassie? I had 'er. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonbart Posted February 14, 2006 Author Share Posted February 14, 2006 Maybe synchronized swimming? Now there's an exciting event. Men's sychronized swimming?Cassie? I had 'er. Was she as good as she looks? Any chance you filmed the encounter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancientdude Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Too bad women's snow-volleyball wasnt a sport. All those goosebumps...yum yum yum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkrop Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Maybe synchronized swimming? Now there's an exciting event. Men's sychronized swimming? Cassie? I had 'er. Wouldn't you have to be a little "sychro" to swim at the WINTER olympics? [] I think they synchronize the sports with the seasons![] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champagne taste beer budget Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 From a Minneapolis news story... "After their second loss, some of the Americans stayed in the venue locker room during the afternoon men's matches and others went to a nearby hotel to relax. Johnson and her sister Jamie, the vice-skip, went to lunch with their parents before returning for a pre-match routine that involved each player picking a song to play on the stereo. One of them chose the Big & Rich song "Save a Horse (Ride a Cowboy)." "It's a huge psych-up song," Cassie Johnson said of the tune they started playing before they won the Olympic trials last year and finished second at the world championships. "It's one of those pick-you-up kinds of songs." " Toddvj, would you be THAT cowboy? [] I live about 100 miles S of Bemidji, where the sisters are from, and also the entire mens team. (Bamidgy) I understand a little of Curling, the why's and wherefors of the actions and the calls, it is an interesting sport, although I will admit, rather slow paced. Not that archery gets that much airplay during the summer Olympics. (Isn't archery in there?) BTY, for those of you that need more, check here: http://www.nbcolympics.com/athletes/5058240/detail.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Jacksonbart, there is a calendar out there for you of women's curling. Check it out. MHO is that this is more of a sport than figure skating or even diving because events that depend on judging are inherently less sporting than an event that determines a clear winner by the nature of the game, like armadillo racing for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 MHO is that this is more of a sport than figure skating or even diving because events that depend on judging are inherently less sporting than an event that determines a clear winner by the nature of the game Hmmmmm....I don't think any competitive diver in the world would agree with that sentiment - same goes for any competitive gymnast (I don't know any competive skaters so I can't comment there). The same amount of "judging" that goes on in these sports is the same level that goes on in basketball, football, rugby, hockey, etc etc...Think I'm crazy? Go talk to some diving judges and see how structured the scoring system is. The only reason different judges give different scores is because they don't all see the same things...and that is something that happens in every sport (especially rugby and water polo, where the refs will even have the explicit option to not call something). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jheis Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 As Hemmingway put it: There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 MHO is that this is more of a sport than figure skating or even diving because events that depend on judging are inherently less sporting than an event that determines a clear winner by the nature of the game Hmmmmm....I don't think any competitive diver in the world would agree with that sentiment - same goes for any competitive gymnast (I don't know any competive skaters so I can't comment there). The same amount of "judging" that goes on in these sports is the same level that goes on in basketball, football, rugby, hockey, etc etc...Think I'm crazy? Go talk to some diving judges and see how structured the scoring system is. The only reason different judges give different scores is because they don't all see the same things...and that is something that happens in every sport (especially rugby and water polo, where the refs will even have the explicit option to not call something). The thing is, a goal is a goal. The ball, puck, or other object is in the net or across the line or not. A home run is a home run. Any other judged event cannot claim this totality. A racer crosses the line before the next racer. If you want to participate in a "sport" where you must be known by the judges, pay your dues, etc. as is heard countless times in "sports" like figure skating, then go ahead and believe it is a sport instead of a combination of politics, coaches politics, international politics and oh yeah by the way performance by all means live your dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuclearay Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Its about time we saw more women pushing brooms rather than riding them. [][][] (Ooooooohhhh I'm so un-PC) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonbart Posted February 15, 2006 Author Share Posted February 15, 2006 Jacksonbart, there is a calendar out there for you of women's curling. Check it out. MHO is that this is more of a sport than figure skating or even diving because events that depend on judging are inherently less sporting than an event that determines a clear winner by the nature of the game, like armadillo racing for example. Thanks I will check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fini Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 I watched a bit on TV this morning. After all these days of curling, she STILL has straight hair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 MHO is that this is more of a sport than figure skating or even diving because events that depend on judging are inherently less sporting than an event that determines a clear winner by the nature of the game Hmmmmm....I don't think any competitive diver in the world would agree with that sentiment - same goes for any competitive gymnast (I don't know any competive skaters so I can't comment there). The same amount of "judging" that goes on in these sports is the same level that goes on in basketball, football, rugby, hockey, etc etc...Think I'm crazy? Go talk to some diving judges and see how structured the scoring system is. The only reason different judges give different scores is because they don't all see the same things...and that is something that happens in every sport (especially rugby and water polo, where the refs will even have the explicit option to not call something). Structured scoring does not a sport make.. For example, as a percussionist in high school there were try outs for all state band involving qualifying, locals, regionals, and then state competition. The scoring was not only structured, it was blind (thanks to the nature of music). It was extremely competitive, even had its own version of overtime to decide contests. I know all this from personal experience. Is it a sport then? No. Although there are many elements of sport I don't think anyone would say that choosing the best musician that day would be a sport. So why would choosing the best diver or figure skater or whatever be any more of a sport? It cannot be argued that athletics is the difference, because I dare anyone to develop the chops needed to play music that physicality is the difference. Sport must be measured, either by mono a mono, team vs. team, or time vs. time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmdridq Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 MHO is that this is more of a sport than figure skating or even diving because events that depend on judging are inherently less sporting than an event that determines a clear winner by the nature of the game Hmmmmm....I don't think any competitive diver in the world would agree with that sentiment - same goes for any competitive gymnast (I don't know any competive skaters so I can't comment there). The same amount of "judging" that goes on in these sports is the same level that goes on in basketball, football, rugby, hockey, etc etc...Think I'm crazy? Go talk to some diving judges and see how structured the scoring system is. The only reason different judges give different scores is because they don't all see the same things...and that is something that happens in every sport (especially rugby and water polo, where the refs will even have the explicit option to not call something). I'd have to agree with OT on this one. I've seen too many instances in the Olympics in events like gymnastics, diving, and figure skating where some judge obviously scored some athlete either very high or very low for political reasons. When the difference between getting a medal or not can be measured in hundredths or even thousandths of a point, that's all it takes to alter the outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 MHO is that this is more of a sport than figure skating or even diving because events that depend on judging are inherently less sporting than an event that determines a clear winner by the nature of the game Hmmmmm....I don't think any competitive diver in the world would agree with that sentiment - same goes for any competitive gymnast (I don't know any competive skaters so I can't comment there). The same amount of "judging" that goes on in these sports is the same level that goes on in basketball, football, rugby, hockey, etc etc...Think I'm crazy? Go talk to some diving judges and see how structured the scoring system is. The only reason different judges give different scores is because they don't all see the same things...and that is something that happens in every sport (especially rugby and water polo, where the refs will even have the explicit option to not call something). Structured scoring does not a sport make.. For example, as a percussionist in high school there were try outs for all state band involving qualifying, locals, regionals, and then state competition. The scoring was not only structured, it was blind (thanks to the nature of music). It was extremely competitive, even had its own version of overtime to decide contests. I know all this from personal experience. Is it a sport then? No. Although there are many elements of sport I don't think anyone would say that choosing the best musician that day would be a sport. So why would choosing the best diver or figure skater or whatever be any more of a sport? It cannot be argued that athletics is the difference, because I dare anyone to develop the chops needed to play music that physicality is the difference. Sport must be measured, either by mono a mono, team vs. team, or time vs. time. You aren't getting what I meant by "structured" - I don't know what the exact numbers are so I will make up an example. Say when doing a simple single forward tuck when diving - there is a difficulty multiplier associated with the trick. A 10 indicates perfect implementation of the trick which is then multiplied by the difficulty multiplier to arrive at a final score. Either the athlete performs the trick or he doesn't (just like shooting an arrow at a target). Of course nobody ever does everything perfectly and there is a grid system of point deductions for flaws in the form (like the archer, you still get points for missing the bullseye and hitting the target). Let's say the person untucked early....oops, there goes 0.3 points. It's a giant grid of things you can do wrong with a corresponding deduction of points. Taking the judges out of the equation, it would be easy to go frame by frame via video camera and critique the form up the wazzoo and get a perfect score for the dive. As far as politics go....that has no bearing on whether or not something is a "sport." And you will find that in every sport there is usually some level of influence by the judges. Why do you think they have that stupid instant replay challenge thing in football now? It's because there were too many game pivoting plays where the ref had too much influence - and made bad calls. How do we know they were bad calls? because we have cameras and can do instant replay. The same thing can happen in all the other judged sports - how else could the observation of political influence exist if there was no objective standard to be held to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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