jacksonbart Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 A topic that has been discussed here before. The link is to an artical some might find interesting. http://www.audioholics.com/news/editorials/DumbingDownAudio.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Thanks for the interesting article. PWK enjoyed, and frequently listened to, live music. It was the standard to which he compared his speakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSport Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 I would agree...thanks for sharing. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theryugobuddy Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 When the marketing gurus started the mantra that Bose had great sound -- fabulous, high fidelity, just-like-the-real-thing sound and it was pounded into the lemmings heads, it became true to the masses that Bose was the standard. i listened to a Ipod Nano the other day, and while its darn impressive to get 1000 songs into a vehicle the size of a credit card, the sound involvement was not impressive. This "dumbing down" makes us doofuses with all our components and beefy speakers look like dinosaurs. All I wanna say is "Roar"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dblue Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Although I completely agree with most of his points, I disagree slightly on the MP3 front. Yes, compression at low bitrates makes drastic changes in the sound (192 or below sound noticibly worse). Also the codec is very important. But...compress music using the Exact Audio Copy/LAME compressor combo at top 320Kb or even Top Quality VBR, and I'll challenge anyone to hear the difference. Using the LAME codec, music retains all it's dynamic range, stereo imaging, and crispness. I've done many A/B tests on this material and have not been able to tell the diff between these MP3 files and the audio on the source CD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 This "dumbing down" makes us doofuses with all our components and beefy speakers look like dinosaurs. All I wanna say is "Roar"! lol! What a great way to put it [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 But...compress music using the Exact Audio Copy/LAME compressor combo at top 320Kb or even Top Quality VBR, and I'll challenge anyone to hear the difference. So what are the stakes? I'd love to take you up on the challenge. [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-MAN Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I made a special trip into the city to check out the latest trends in audio and I was totally appalled by the available choices; i.e., there weren't any. Absolutely appalling... horrible. But no Bose to be seen! But their "tracks" were there! Homogenized and sanitized for your protection... DM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay481985 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Homogenized and sanitized for your protection... DM HA that is great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooting_monkey Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 It's sad that there are alot of great artists out there that have no real say how their CD is recorded. It's all about the lables making their money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmsummer Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 But no Bose to be seen! But their "tracks" were there! You can track them by their droppings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theryugobuddy Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 But no Bose to be seen! But their "tracks" were there! You can track them by their droppings. haha! You see these droppings and you know there's a crappy sub somewhere close by Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay481985 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 But no Bose to be seen! But their "tracks" were there! You can track them by their droppings. haha! You see these droppings and you know there's a crappy sub somewhere close by Bass module, they cannot call it a subwoofer my friend! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theryugobuddy Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 I can see a Bose salesman right now -- "I got your bass module right over here" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay481985 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 I saw the acousticmass 15 or soo and with the light I could actually see into the grill.... heh that 6.5 inch woofer was about the size of a good midrange! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spkrdctr Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I have had many a Bass Module apart and they have multiple drivers in them. They basically use smaller drivers in a tuned cabinet to get the bass they want. Also they all have limiters in the circuit so that you can't push them hard enough to break them. Well, it works in theory... What really happen is the modules are pushed so hard that the limiters burn out and the drivers burn up also. The bass module is ALWAYS, I will repeat this for effect, the Bass Module is ALWAYS the weak link in the chain for the Bose Lifestyle system. The little cubes will take quite a beating and keep going. Some do fail from abuse, but not many. Sheesh! You guys got me talking about Bose again.....[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 A topic that has been discussed here before. The link is to an artical some might find interesting. http://www.audioholics.com/news/editorials/DumbingDownAudio.php Good article,I couldn't agree more,been my point on a few posts here in the pasts,fell on deaf ears(eyes). How do we end up knocking Bose systems? Some people like them, not me, it's all they need,or want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audible Nectar Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I recall in my daze of selling audio what the Bose sales rep used to say to salespeople who called the "Acoustimass Module" a "subwoofer": "That is NOT a subwoofer." Boy was he EVER right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxg Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I am not sure I agree at all with the posturing on MP3 / iPod and the like. Simply put - this is portable audio and portable audio was never very good. As a kid I would walk around with a transistor radio jammed up against my ear to hear music - and an iPod or equivalent (in my case my phone) sounds a whole lot better than that. It is no accident that the main marketing thrust of digital music is for portability - this was the gap in the marketplace. Sadly portable CD players (that I have experienced) were either no better sounding than my MP3 player (actually worse in the case of my old Sony CD walkman) or would skip and play eraticalyl when out walking / jogging etc. When looking at music servers for home duty most seem to offer an uncompressed (CD quality) option. I have not experienced these but there are some that are supposed to sound every bit as good as a decent (if not high end) CD player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay481985 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 maxg I went to the mall yesterday and saw sony style store. They had a cd player that was pretty thin and such. I had a sony cd player with that max skip protection that did not involve buffering and such but more an active suspension that had a battery life of 90 hours to boot. But alas someone asked to borrow it in high school and we graduated...... But yesterday I saw a similiar system but they had a sticker that said intergrated internal amp. Heh maybe that is made for better quality listening instead of saving battery life? Also the iPod serves a purpose in life. Not everyone has the room for say heritage models or even the rf series. Or they live with neighbors that will not tolerate noise (city apartment dwellers). Also for city people, what better way to listen to music on the commute (usually a hour lost anyways on the subway/bus) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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