Deang Posted December 28, 2001 Share Posted December 28, 2001 they are showing up on ubid anyone know why klipsch abandoned this design ------------------ deanG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted December 28, 2001 Share Posted December 28, 2001 Yes TheEAR know why First AIR LEAKS(around the seal),very audible when low bass was reproduced. Second,amps clipped very audibly when pushed hard,sounded like the driver was dying,or VC was hitting the magnetic structure! Third,the output was not competitive with Sunfire and Velodyne at low FREQ.Means down low they had poor output. My test unit had a serious air lear,the amp clipping problem and after my tests the voice coil must have hit the magnetic structure and bent because when the driver was pushed in the center it made a rubbing sound(OUCH)! Be warned,be sure to get a full warranty before you buy. TheEAR(s) Now theears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted December 28, 2001 Author Share Posted December 28, 2001 I can't possibly imagine me driving one to those levels. I just landed one off of ubid for $429. Is the 'leak' problem the surround on the driver itself or just the gasket between the basket and cabinet. Is it just the active driver or the PR's also? ------------------ deanG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacevedo Posted December 28, 2001 Share Posted December 28, 2001 I think the leak was around the amp plate, but I could be mistaken. My guess is that Klipsch just fixed a whole bunch of these when they were making the new RSW subs. They have some of the same design principles (PR, high amp power) and maybe they used their new found knowledge (a.k.a. the guy who helped them design the RSW) to fix the pile up they had at headquarters. I have seen them in my local dealers, and all over the place on the net. These things didn't just fall off of a truck. Maybe Klipsch is hoping that people looking for the new RSW will 1) not know the difference and buy the LF-10, thinking that is the new Klipsch sub (because most consumers don't know model numbers like we do), or 2) go to look for an RSW and since not many places have them, ****** up an LF-10 instead at half the price. Seems like odd timing for it to be just coincidence. One thing is for sure, Klipsch is being pretty quiet about it (unusually quiet if you ask me), since several people have posted about it, and not one comment from the Klipsch crew. Bryan ------------------ "... But Honey - I promise this is the last thing I will have to buy for the Home Theater" Mistubishi VS60603 60" RPTV Denon AVR 3802 Receiver Denon DVM 1800 DVD Changer JVC 3600U SVHS VCR RCA DirecTV Satellite Tuner Klipsch RB5 - Mains Klipsch RC3 - Center Klipsch RCW3 - In-wall Surrounds Velodyne SPL1200 Subwoofer Monster HTS1000 Power Conditioner Acoustic Research Pro Series Interconnects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMIN Posted December 28, 2001 Share Posted December 28, 2001 I had 2 Lf 10's. The first leaked around the active and passive drivers. The replacement (sub#2) had an amp problem and only lasted a couple of weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted December 28, 2001 Share Posted December 28, 2001 It seems obvious to me that Klipsch abandoned the LF series because of a severely flawed design. I don't think the LF12 even made it out the door. There was a market for the LFs, but Klipsch couldn't make them work. The LF was Klipsch's first venture into high end subwoofer country and they didn't have the necessary engineering and/or manufacturing talent to pull it off. This kind of fiasco isn't unusual when a company ventures into new territory. Now they are taking the experience they gained and producing the RSW series, which ought to be much better. As far as current sales of the LF go, I think all that Klipsch is doing is trying to recoup some of its investment instead of just burying it all in a dump. Could be some pride showing, too, trying to make it less than a total failure. Or, they might just have been using up excess production capacity from schedule slips on other products. Who knows? Don't think we will ever find out. In any case, I doubt many people in the market for an RSW would pop for an LF. BTW even a reasonable listener may occasionally drive a subwoofer to its limits depending on the program material, especially with HT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted December 28, 2001 Share Posted December 28, 2001 Not true, I think Klipsch handled the LF10 demise quite well and if you do a search on this forum back to last year when the first batches appeared, you will see all kinds of official and unofficial explanations, including the fact that they made a big bunch of them and needed to sell them off to recoup some of the investment, mine was opened when I got it so I hope it was tested before it was sold, I do not abuse it because I know of no audio equipment that lasts long with abuse and it works great (especially considering the close-out price!) ... ------------------ Colin's Music System Cornwall 1s & Klipsch subs; lights out & tubes glowing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundog Posted December 29, 2001 Share Posted December 29, 2001 I have two that work well - no problems as yet - I got them off ubid. I heard that there was some sort of patent infringement problem - don't know how true that was. ------------------ Soundog's HT Systems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted December 29, 2001 Share Posted December 29, 2001 "patent infringement problem" Yes this could be true,can you say Bob Carver.The LF series also used the air spring principle.And even if they used two passive radiators they were quite similar to the SUnfire subs(minus the OUTPUT and trouble free operation). TheEAR(s) Now theears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nc_listener Posted January 7, 2002 Share Posted January 7, 2002 I got an lf-10 off ubid last week. I took it out of the box and thought, "No way will this small thing be heard along with my KLF-30s!" Well, I was wrong. It adds a great bottom end to music as well as movies. I had read the reviews on audioreview.com, and people seem to be really happy with them and have said that Klipsch has been great at fixing any problems they've had with them. From my experience, you can't beat it for $389 or anywhere close to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forresthump Posted January 7, 2002 Share Posted January 7, 2002 Thank you for a Good lesson in value NC-listen. That something Earmite above has no clue of. ------------------ go forth & hump the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted January 7, 2002 Author Share Posted January 7, 2002 Just got my LF10 Saturday and I'm happy. No leaks that I am aware of. It's a sleeper for sure. Nice tight, tuneful sound. ------------------ deanG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 now go back and watch your favorite movies, it is very interesting which directors use low bass to signal mood shifts in the plot and which ones ignore these instinctual signals, no conclusions yet, but I am more surprized at new movies without deep bass than by movies which have them! oh, and get a copy of U571, not only a great movie, but also a great bass test too! ------------------ Colin's Music System Cornwall 1s & Klipsch subs; lights out & tubes glowing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 ForrestGump, "hank you for a Good lesson in value NC-listen. That something Earmite above has no clue of." Huh value..what is that? LOL Who cares about value when you have four Sunflowers,the largest Velo,a big Revel and a tank like Aerial.And when you will get SVS SS and JBL Ti-K. LOL Not me,I am not the regular Joe who has value in mind when he looks for subs.Me is the performance,and not much else. TheEAR(s) Now theears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forresthump Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 quote: Originally posted by TheEAR: Not me,I am not the regular Joe who has value in mind when he looks for subs.Me is the performance,and not much else. TheEAR(s) Now theears A fool and his money are soon parted. LOL ------------------ go forth & hump the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 ForrestDump at least I have money unlike you Gump. LOL 274 posts and you say you help others!You bash good products you have no clue about and post brain farts to fill space.Most here know you have few things to say,you are a man of few words and lots of anger. WHY DO YOU HATE CARVER AND KRELL? WHY OH WHY Just because you have to eat a Pig Mac and cant buy a five star meal does not mean you have o spit on class restaurants.N'est ce pas Gump Oh I sense anger in your posts,calm down Junior. TheEAR(s) Now theears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APPLEBITE Posted January 20, 2002 Share Posted January 20, 2002 Hey TheEAR, for once could you leave out the part in your posts where you tell everyone about all this expensive stereo stuff you own. Most poeple on this forum know what you have, so it just seems like your rubbing it in. Anyways ------------------ JVC 36" tv Technics DA-10 Reciever Klipsch KSW-10 sub Klipsch RC-3 II Center Klipsch RB-3 Surounds Nuance Fronts Hitachi DV-P415U dvd player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wife-said-no Posted January 20, 2002 Share Posted January 20, 2002 theearwax has alot of sarcastic posts. I have yet to see any pictures on this forum of any equipment that he has. I think that he is probably some little kid with whatever equipment mommy and daddy have. Just ignore him. As for the LF10, I got a post from some of the moderators and the LF10s from the ubid warehouse are covered by the Klipsch warranty. ------------------ Come on honey why can't I spend some more money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QUiKSR20 Posted January 21, 2002 Share Posted January 21, 2002 Damn ears for a klipsch forum i sure here sunfire, dynaudio krell bryston etc etc evertime a post comes up? Try being a little easier on the people on this board A little less harshness goes along way we are not all millionares like you to afford all that stuff. Dont take this at a stab im new here but every post i see from you is bragging about some other brand other then klipsch and is usually putting someone down in some way or another. No flames please just stating my opinion i am new to this area and just learning so i dont expect my audio setup to be is good as alot of you guys but its a start and im learning. ------------------ Thanks, Daryl Gregg MY Home Theatre Page Sony STR-DE975 HT Reciever Sony DVP-NS400D DVD SB-3 Mains SC-1 Center Quintet Rears KSW-12 Sub AR Proseries Interconects This message has been edited by QUiKSR20 on 01-22-2002 at 03:52 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted January 27, 2002 Share Posted January 27, 2002 Wifey, Listen up,I did post pics of some of my gear(and my Klipsch R series,look around this BB better).If you think I have the Dynes and Krell and Co is your right,if you think I invented it all good for ya son. I dont have to prove anything to you. Get it? Thank you for your cooperation TheEAR(s) Now theears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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