colterphoto1 Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Groomslakearea51 writes: Mr. Colter, Michael, per our previous discussions, I have completed the document for the Forum that provides a basic reference for the Klipsch Heritage series. The document contains the revised "codes" for types, wood and finishes, drivers, crossovers, grills, etc. As you had suggested last year during my research into this subject, that the intended purpose should be for this to be a basic reference source for vintage Heritage series owners, and in particular new members to the "community" (and the Forum) who have aquired a pair of Heritage and need information relative to their provenance, etc. To that end I have edited the document for style with the primary questions as to "what are they and when were they made" addressed first. You had mentioned that you would start another post below it for all of the comments, additions, etc. I would also think that might ask for Forum members to post photographs of rare or unusual serial number "stickers" etc. From that point, I will routinely "gather up" the additional data from the "comments" thread and make the corrections, additions, deletions, etc. I also would like to personally thank you, Mr. Hunter and all of the Klipsch staff with whom I have spoken during the last 2 years for all of their efforts and guidance on this project. It has been a long process as we have discussed, and everyone's "role" as my "advisors", and in particular Mr. Hunter's detailed assistance and information, have been the key in preparing a reasonable and "useable" document. I deal with many manufacturing companies in my profession, and I can only say that Klipsch Audio Technologies and all of their employees have a dedication to service and professionalism that is second to none. Regards, Marshall Muros ____________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted April 25, 2008 Author Share Posted April 25, 2008 Mr. Muros, Very well crafted sir, this was certainly a labor of love for Klipsch Heritage products. I take great pride in being part of this project with you. I’m sure I speak for all Heritage lovers here at Klipsch when I say we appreciate your perseverance and dedication in this research. I know that you have spent countless hours pouring over Forum posts, interviewing employees, and acquiring data. You have helped to uncover some little known truths, dispel folklore, and just generally helped out a whole bunch of Klipsch fans with your efforts. There have been enough erroneous stories about the various codes and production styles over the years that it’s time for a more authoritative document. You have fulfilled that need many times over. Posting this on our user’s Forum should help new members as you mention and will also be a valuable resource for our Tech Support group. With your kind permission I will copy this and post it to our Customer Service research drive. I will then notify all Tech Services personnel of its availability so we can quickly route inquiring customers to the documentation. This should save us quite a bit of time in research and answering questions. Marshall, we look forward to your visit to the Indianapolis Klipsch Headquarters for this year’s Pilgrimage. You are a true Klipsch fan! Michael Colter Klipsch Heritage and Pro Audio Specialist Home Audio / Theatre Technical Support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fini Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 AMAZING job, Marshall! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dee Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 indeed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 CP1; Thank you for the kind words. I would also like to thank all of the Forum members with whom I have had the privilege to speak, meet (some in person!!) and discuss the "Codex". There are so many and to list them all would vertainly result in an unintentional ommission. But I would like to mention, in particular, Bob Crites. Bob's knowledge, understanding and his professional working experience with the technical aspects of the Heritage series has been of immense assistance to me and, as all will agree, to the Forum. Amy has kindly locked the primary post so we don't clutter up the document itself, so anyone with more data, pictures of the "weird ones", things I overlooked (especially in the "drivers" section and in the evolution of the crossovers) or we things should consider expanding on, please post!! Regards from the Swamp!! Marshall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom b. 57 Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Marshall, thank you for the very professional job on this documentation. This will undoubtedly be a very useful tool for research on my personal quest for Heritage as well as other lines of Klipsch loudspeakers. I am especially pleased to see the documentation on the various drivers used. This is just too cool! A job well done. Again, thank you. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 I really wanted to expand the driver codes and the applications list, but need more input from owners that have the various drivers. We kinda' need to pin down when, for example, K-77M "gold", and then the "silver" ceramics started appearing. That's going to mean folks need to pull out from the corners and look at the backs of the K'horns, etc!!! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgoreck Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 It's a great write up. After reading the driver section it makes a lot more sense as to why people pair the cornwall's with the klipschorn's as centers. Very informative, much thanks. Will definately be useful for me as I've been looking around for some older Heritage stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brac Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 AWSOME JOB!!!!! I hope we are able to find pictures of the fancy wood to add to it. Ebony now there is a durable, and hard to work with finish.I didn't see any purple heart on the list, were any ever made??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoudnClear Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Thanks for all the hard work. You're going to help alot of people for years to come with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest " " Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 ok...where is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Guy Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/p/103886/1048788.aspx#1048788 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest " " Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 ok, looks very good...it's pretty scary if you can spot something missing from this fine piece of work.....crossovers...Belle's also used AB xovers...I think I even have a set somewhere....should I dig them out to confirm or can someone jump in and verify. On tweeters, k-77's, there are K-77-M's, K-77-F's, K-77-X's and what are we calling alinco types? Woofers, k-43's, two types, one stamped framed, other called a k-43-kp which is cast framed, used in LaScala's An after thought on xovers, the k-1000's used in early cornwalls (or maybe shorthorns) and the k-500_5000's used in early khorns Mid horns are worht mentioning.....k-5's, k-400's, k-401's this could turn into a book Great job, and thanks for taking this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebes Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 It BLO's me away![] Fantastic job. Thanks for this obvious labor of love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted April 26, 2008 Author Share Posted April 26, 2008 I have a copy of the log book page where the CW coding changed to the letter variety. This shows that there were numerous years prior to 'A' and that 'A' consisted of several years until the code changed annually. This also proves that the serial number itself absent the letter is a single number with no particular significance other than to indicate the individual speaker identity. (this for the A-Y years). There are numerous other notations that we could include in the glossary. TG indicates top grille (for LS). I don't know if WS is on your list, that would be walnut stain on BR (again LS). We could add the nomenclatures for pro gear if you wished. BG is Black Glass for the fibreglass mat covered industrial series and KP and KI stand for Klipsch Portable and Klipsch Installed respectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted April 26, 2008 Share Posted April 26, 2008 Speakerfritz's additions: Belle's also used AB xovers; SF can you quick verify and we'll add that? On tweeters, k-77's, there are K-77-M's, K-77-F's, K-77-X's and what are we calling alinco types? For Alnico T-35's I just referred to them as K77 as Klipsch referred to them. I left the M, F, X out of it and referred to those designators in the driver manufacturing code section for the moment. Woofers, k-43's, two types, one stamped framed, other called a k-43-kp which is cast framed, used in LaScala's. Oversight on my part, main doc edited today. An after thought on xovers, the k-1000's used in early cornwalls (or maybe shorthorns) and the k-500_5000's used in early khorns. That's an area that I'd like for us to expand upon. For now, I'll note that on the owrking copy and get some additional info on when, etc. Mid horns are worht mentioning.....k-5's, k-400's, k-401's: Good idea, main doc edited today with basic horns, 400, 401 etc. this could turn into a book.... Actually the working document is about three times as long (24 pages).... but for the "quick ref" forum post purposes, I tried to cut down on the length a bit. Great job, and thanks for taking this one. Credit certainly goes to you and all of the other members for helping out with additional details!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted April 26, 2008 Share Posted April 26, 2008 There are numerous other notations that we could include in the glossary. TG indicates top grille (for LS). I don't know if WS is on your list, that would be walnut stain on BR (again LS). We could add the nomenclatures for pro gear if you wished. BG is Black Glass for the fibreglass mat covered industrial series and KP and KI stand for Klipsch Portable and Klipsch Installed respectively. I had collected alot of the "third part" suffixes (TG's, etc.), but like we now know, we would end up with about 3 or 4 more pages just on Heresy "combinations" (over 100!!!) WS has been added in basic doc (I checked my massive notes.... also appeared on Klipschorn pair as well (special order) that I saw on eBay about 2 years ago. It was a notation on the tag. They were BR's, but the notation said WS and you could clearly see the stain. My experience on the I and P series is limited, but I seem to recall someone who has a bazillion Industrials of various types.. Let me see now, who was that? His name was Michael, or something like that!!![A] Maybe in his spare time he could start the "list"!!![] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted April 26, 2008 Author Share Posted April 26, 2008 Let's notate the newest K77D because it is a change in not only manufacturer but in design. The horn is now of cast material and features a flange on the backside of the horn. This horn retrofits the Khorn and LS and is included in the update package for those speakers. The horn still mounts from the rear of the motorboard, but now the horn extends through the 3/4 motorboard thickness so the mouth is flush to the front of the motorboard. I have a line drawing and can get a photo of it if you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted April 26, 2008 Share Posted April 26, 2008 Dependent on whether or not the new H-III crossover would work with that instead of the K-76/79 type tweeter, that would enable a H-I to be upgraded to H-III also, because then all three drivers could be bolted to the H-I motorboard from the rear. Owner would only have to cut the rear panel opening. [8-|] You have a voicemail page..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted April 26, 2008 Author Share Posted April 26, 2008 nope. btw, check that Belle ad, shows the AB network with K55M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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