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Thanks for the excellent review! Reviews like that are the best kind because you have nothing to gain by picking one amp over another. Too many reviews on the internet are of just one piece of equipment that someone just bought, which means they would feel stupid if they gave it a bad review. And of course, reviews by magazines tend to be good reviews, because the equipment manufacturer writes the magazine's paychecks via advertising. Anyway, I noticed that you didn't include any push pull amps. You might want to try a push pull tube amp. It will have plenty more power than the SET stuff. If I had Cornwalls and were in your position, I would probably try the Wright push pulls or a Dynaco ST-70. But, since you have your speakers in the corners and like solid state on your equipment, I bet you are a bass-head, and don't know it. :-) The McIntosh might be the way to go!

---------------- On 4/6/2005 10:49:51 PM 126mhz wrote: Scott products or for that matter a Dynaco ST70 that has had caps. replaced so that there is little or no "Hum" at all is very difficult to beat. These guys had it so right all those years ago that I can't see any reason to use solid state gear with such sensitive/efficient speakers. If you had a more difficult speaker to drive I could see going solid state. ---------------- Man, you are totally right. They got it right... As long as you have reasonable speakers, you can put that Dyanco up against just about anything being built now. The perfect amp would be a Dynaco 70 with 250 watts, plenty of bass and power to drive less efficient speakers. Actually, I think some VTLs might match that description, but I have never compared the two side by side.

---------------- On 4/7/2005 2:17:04 PM garymd wrote: I'm about to give away a few hundred just to get my collection to a managable number and for every LP I bring in, I need to get rid of 1. ---------------- Great, when you are ready to give them away, I can provide my address and some money to pay for shipping... Send them on down. :-)

Oh man, I am at the same place that you are at now! I picked up a rebuilt Dynaco 70 and threw my turntable and Bottlehead Foreplay on it and WOW! Its music! I can't believe how I can just drop a record on and just listen... With CDs, I sometimes would listen to a song or part of a song, and then switch to try something else. WIth the records, I can just listen all the way through... cause it seems like the message of the music gets through. Though, I dont really find that pulling the record from the sleeve, cleaning it, placing it on platter, cueing up,etc adds that much to my enjoyment. I like the convienence of SACD better, which is good, but not quite the same as vinyl. I think you picked the right word. The LP sound has "texture"... ANd it seems you need a good amp (read: usually tube) to resolve and reproduce that texture.

What about Belles? They are a lot better looking than the LaScalas.

I have heard other VTLs, and was impressed.. They are very musical and get the foot tapping. I hope the Rennasiance 80s sound like the VTLs I have heard. I absolutely loved them the first time I heard them.

Thanks for all the suggestions... There has been a lot of good discussion on this thread. I think, tbough that I am going to look for a set of Cornwalls... Since I listen to a lot of modern hard rock and rap, I dont think the Belles will satisfy me, though I think they look pretty good for a large speaker. If I had corners, I would get Khorns. Who knows, maybe somehow I could get away with the corners I have... Maybe I should upload some photos of my corners here and see if anyone has any ideas of how I could get away with a pair of khorns. :-)

FYI, Im comparing the CORNWALL to the Belles, not the LaScala. Im not even considering the Lascala, as it is kinda ugly compared to the Belles.

It is also a trend for recordings to be louder... At least for newer music, the recording engineers tend to turn the volume up and don't worry about how much of the transients and dynamics they cut off. Its a nasty trend that I hope starts to fade someday.

Im looking at getting a SET system, and have been considering buying a set of Cornwalls. I like the Cornwall because I hear it would also be able to rock if I attached even a modest push pull or solid state amp. However, there is a pair of Belles for sale not too far from me... I am wondering, would I like the Belles? I have a large room and like to listen to just about everything, including rock, modern jazz, rap, classical, and some small scale accoustic... Id also like to use them as my home theater speakers. I like the fact that they are extremely efficient, but I wonder about how much bass they put out... Would I need a subwoofer? Thanks for any advice.

Congratulations!!! That is terrific. Is it your first kid?

---------------- On 3/31/2005 6:18:40 PM BS Button wrote: There's a pair of KlipschHorns in Miami on E-Bay. They do not show up under the Klipsch search. Go all the way newbie... ---------------- I dont have two corners... Plus, the wall where I place my speakers is 30+ feet wide. I guess when I go shopping for a new house someday, I will look for a good music room with two good corners...

Yea, it seems like they pop up all the time until you are ready to buy... Then it feels like forever before one becomes available. :-)

Hi, Im looking for a pair of Klipsch Cornwall 1s. (not the Cornwall 2). Id prefer in Walnut Oil, but am willing to consider some other finishes... Im in Florida, and would prefer local pick up, but would be willing to pay for shipping for the right pair of speakers. And no, Im not willing to drive to Chicago to pick up the pair for sale on Audiogon. :-) Thanks.

---------------- On 3/30/2005 1:35:26 PM colterphoto1 wrote: Klipsch, are you listening? We Forum members would like to see a Cornwall III please... Michael Or I could just build em myself in my garage.. Dean, want to design a xover for it? ---------------- Actually, I'd like to see a new klipsch that is particularly good with Single Ended amps, something along the lines of the cornwalls, 100db effcient, with a impedance of around 10+ ohms. What would be REALLY cool is a narrow baffle cornwall, with the woofer mounted on the side of the speaker. Basically a more wife-friendly cornwall. How about it klipsch?

The most reasonable explanation for why dealers and magazines do not give Klipsch much respect is this: - High end sound has been defined as excellent imaging, soundstage, smoothness... a sort of delicacy and precision to the sound. Dynamics, visceral impact, and 'liveness' to the sound are importnant, but definitely secondary to the others. The sound of electrostats is a good example... - The Klispch sound is the exact opposite. It basically says dynamics and visceral impact are the most important. The imaging and soundstaging are important, but are secondary to having a dynamic 'liveness' to the sound. Non-klipsch audiophiles think klipsch is brutal, unrefined and in-your-face. Klipsch-heads think typical audiophiles are overrefined sissys that wouldnt know live sounding music if it hit them in the face. Maybe the klipsch-haters should get off their perscription of "Noballsatol".

Well, seriously, I think most dealers think mainly of the lower end klipsch speakers that are much more common than the Heritage and other upper end klipsch. I think most high end manufacturers think everyone listens to small scale classical and jazz... and that rock and rap is best left to Best Buy. Darn it!! Even jazz needs to be able to "rock out". Ive found that some good shops will recognize Heritage lines and admit that there is something good there... The best shops will have a pair of khorns in the corner. From what I have seen, the Khorns are hands down the best value in high-end audio.... Lets see: you can pick up a used pair for less than 2k, power it with a soft breeze, it has the fastest bass available, gets effortlessly loud and is one of the most dynamic and alive sounding speakers.

Well, that is probably why they are called "Heresy".

Well, though I dont doubt that he owns and loves some Heritage Klipsch products, it looks like he is paid to like them too. Here is a Klipsch ad with Mr. Thornton. http://www.klipsch.com/media/Newscenter/AD1.pdf

Well, Bose has its place... If my wife wasnt tolerant of my stereo equipment, Bose would be almost my only choice. At least it is better than any of the Bose knock-offs out there. One good thing to say about bose: THey sound pretty good at low volume. "good" of course is a relative term. Their electronics compensate for the fact that humans dont hear high and low frequencies well at low volumes. It may not be accurate stuff, but it is effective for its purpose: Acceptable sound at low volume in a wife-acceptable form factor.

---------------- On 3/27/2005 3:11:09 PM greg928s4 wrote: Rockets, if your veneer pieces are flat, cut straight, and not too big, you shouldn't have any problems with gaps. The problem I'm having with this Rosewood is that it's very bubbly and warped, so even though my cuts are straight, it's not going together perfectly. ---------------- Do you know how to flatten veneer? (You can ignore this if you already know).... You basically spray it down with some water and then press it under some weight or between two clamped boards. Then, let it sit overnight. It helps get rid of the warps. Gary

I would imagine that the single drivers would be terrific at imaging. I bet the klipsch sound has spoiled you. Since Klipsch are known for being good sounding at very low volumes, so maybe Klipsch is the best choice for a bedroom system. The trick I guess would be finding a Klipsch speaker that has a small enough size to fit nicely in a bedroom. Here is a question for you: Does your bedroom have proper corners? :-)

Yea, but both the Heresy and Heresy 2 are listed as 8 ohms nominally in the specs, but the measured impedance is quite different. The heresy has a minimum impedance of 10 ohms and the heresy 2 has a minimum of something like 5 ohms. Thats why Im wondering about the cornwalls. I have been hunting around in the Klipsch forum archives and elsewhere on the net and haven't found any evidence. I DO notice that almost everyone that uses the Cornwalls with SET are using Cornwall 1s.

The reason I ask, is because I wonder if the Cornwall changed impedance from 10+ ohms to 5 ohms like the Heresy did when it went from Heresy 1 to Heresy 2. Ive seen the Belgian review of the Cornwall 2, which shows impedance dropping to around 5 ohms... and I am wondering if the Cornwall 1 was much higher, or was it essentially the same? Thanks

Is there a big difference between the Cornwall 1 and 2 when using them with SET amplification? Thanks