ClaudeJ1

Actually, the Orphean System crosses over at 270 hz........Plenty low enough for the Khorn Bass Bins.....I am running them at 400 hz. now (And yes it could be better than that)........ I don't need to choose drivers as I ordered the complete Orphean System. Which includes the Horns, Drivers and Passive Crossover for the Dirver's Midrange and tweeter. They are the BMS 4592ND Actually most all Horns are my Favorites !! I have heard a lot of good ones..... We'll see if the Oris Horns can top my Altec Multicells. I hope they do, but you never know until you get them into your system. I do believe that all you need to do is EQ the Khorn bass bin, which, unless you get the Jubilee Bass bin, you cannot improve it. So upping the midrange to a lower crossover point is a GREAT approach to improving the corner horn sound, but it's not a full Khorn anymore, and THAT is just fine by me. The midrange is where we live........PWK.

I had the same, identical setup as PWK himself (went to his house and heart it) for over 30 years. 2PH3 with a LaScala in the middle at about -6 db with the same box that Paul built (saw that too). I didn't get into all this upgrade crap until I met some of you audio geeks here and at the Pilgrimages. Then I was off on the treadmill, including 4 MWMs woofers I drove to Ottawa to get for gosh sakes. Still the best 3 things I have done in this journey is 1) get Danley DTS-10 subs 2) get K402 horns with Klipsch K-1133 drivers, and figure out how to use the Audyssey XTR on my Onkyo receiver (global feedback). BUT you have to have a decent room to do it.

If you want less resolution, then you can just get into building direct radiator speakers. That will take the edge off those nasty bad recordings for sure.

If you like the music well enough, you will have your reference recordings and discover the truth about the rest, but you can still listen past the flaws if the music is good enough. Sometimes people sell off great, revealing gear, like a Jube setup simply because they need the money. Been there, done that.

Not me. I started with a 4-way passive and may end up with a 2-way active with PEQ's and time delays. But I will not give up quality in the process.

All of the curves I have done on bass and treble horns seem to have a "hump in the middle" type of response. This necessitates some form of EQ at the end (or a broad push down in the middle). Since the efficiency is from 10-100 times greater than direct radiators that merely attempt to "push" air instead of shooting it. This is easy to do. So I think the most coherent example of all modern horn design is the custom Jubilee and Tom Danley's Synergy horns. But you still need sub-woofer below 40-60 hz. to get you flat to 20.

Here is the reason....The amplifers only have 1 input, so you need two, one for each channel. I did not think this up all by myself. I have also ordered a pair of Oris Horns and Drivers from the Netherlands. The designer of Oris horns reccomends that you run these amps on the Bass Bins. These amps are also from the Netherlands. He does not like Class 'T' amps. You are familar with Oris Horns? Since, I am buying his speakers, I am not going to try and re-invent what he's already done. I went with the flow... Thanks for the feedback. Much appreciated. Makes more sense now.

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Go to MadiSOUND, speaker parts, menu. I'm just curious as to why you got two stereo amps and why you didn't get the smaller one? They are two channel, so you could have saved 1/2 the money and got just one and more wire. Who needs 400 Watts on a Khorn bass bin, holy crap. When I got out of college, I got Khorns and I built Dynaco kits. I designed my own peak power meter with LED's and a ladder network to measure. At ear splitting level, was hitting 10 Watt PEAKS. I know you didn't spend that much relative to "audiophile" in$anity, but come on! I'm running unmodified Lepai chip amps that do 10W peaks on my bass bins and they crank. I do like the digital filter feature in your amps, however.

I recall the same comment, but didn't comment at the time because I agreed with the context. The Table Tuba is a good for music while the THT is also good for movies (in addition to music). The Table Tuba just doesn't go low enough for movies. Admittedly, the THT drops like a rock below 20 Hz and some people are not satisfied with that as well. The lil wrecker is interesting as well, and the Cinema F20. Danley DTS-10 is good for music, movies, and to simulate earthquakes in your house or vibrate things at the other end of the house. LOL. Otherwise you can go to the AVS forum and build the HousWrecker or the LilWrecker, both of which were inspired by the DTS-10. The nice thing about the F-20 and the Tubas is that they are NOT tapped horns. They won't go as low, but go higher, like 100 Hz. instead of 60 or 70 Hz. for the tapped horns.

Just listened to Sade's CD with "Paradise" on it. The whole CD is great and it's a good recording with lots of bass lines in it. You can definitely tell the different levels of bass and every note is there to follow precisely. Love them DTS-10's with my "cheap Scala" bottoms until I finish my own bass horns.

I'm pretty sure that it was. Had two of them, but now the newer ones are made by Eminence.

I agree. Just did a WT-3 Woofer test routine on two of my K-42's, made by Eminence, from the KPT-200's and the specs appear to be (withing tolerance) the same as the Delta Pro 12A and the frame looks the same except for the Delta pro has nicer wire connectors.

Well he didn't think time alignment was important either, on speech and music, even though a Khorn's bass is 8 milliseconds behind the tweeter. PWK did a lot of really great things, the Khorn bass bin being one of them, but he wasn't perfect. Hey he was human. He farted in his couch during the demo I was litening to, but it didn't smell though. I was on the other couch. Claude, You are a very detail oriented guy. I was just trying to add some humor to the whole thing. How did I do? LOL

I have a Lab tapped horn sub no longer in use (very good BTW). If got me hooked to the point where I got TWO Danley DTS 10's to replace it. Best place is one in the center of the front wall and one in the center of the back wall.......JBL research data.

Murphy's law corollary #49: When struck with a full DC rail "hammerblow" in the above example at PWK's house, the voice will always blow to protect the fuse. Fuses are too slow compared to the speed of those fat zeners. Had mine for 30 years without an issue.

Well he didn't think time alignment was important either, on speech and music, even though a Khorn's bass is 8 milliseconds behind the tweeter. PWK did a lot of really great things, the Khorn bass bin being one of them, but he wasn't perfect. Hey he was human. He farted in his couch during the demo I was litening to, but it didn't smell though. I was on the other couch.

Funny you should ask. When I was at Paul Klipsch's house he had to swap out some RCA connections to play me some of his recordings. You could hear him ***** and swear as you heard buzzing from unplugging and and plugging those stupid RCA connector that disconnect the ground before the positive terminal. This type of activity can fry K-77's so PWK added the Zeners to protect tweeters. They have no effect on the sound.

Lucky 46.

Who comes up with this formula? I want a 29 year old, retired rich, supermodel nympho, who owns a bar, makes her own beer and wine, and has a very understanding twin sister. All I have is the 29 year old part. We have to wait 4 more years to have our relationship become "socially acceptable". I'll drink to your health when you are halfway there at 40. In the meantime, count yourself lucky. 9 years apart is a healthy number. Mine have ranged from -11 to -18 years difference, but there are always contingencies.

I dated a woman for two weeks who made her own wine. Then she asked me to hook up her Bose speakers. That was the end of that.

Who comes up with this formula? I want a 29 year old, retired rich, supermodel nympho, who owns a bar, makes her own beer and wine, and has a very understanding twin sister.

I have both. Let me get my hands on them before I shoot you a price.

PWK was not always correct. Also keep in mind that most of his publications that most often get referenced were from a long time ago when the industry was very different from today. I agree wholeheartedly with this. Having spent an entire day of my life with him at the factory, private club, and his home, I can say he was "set in his ways" to put it politely. He hated CD's and ANY commercial recording, referring to it as "dilute stereo." Although, I admit, the music he played for me at his home though his Khorns and center Belle sounded really good. He had false corners in a huge living room, which had much to do with the sound. He was right about many things and hard to convince about change of any kind. This had good and bad aspects. Fred Klipsch bought the company and increased sales 7 times beyond what Paul ever did and the reason why this community even exists today!