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I kinda always liked these 3, I don't think the first two make the popular lists much - Jeff Beck - The Pump from "There and Back " Yes - Mood For A Day from "Fragile" Elton - Funeral For A Friend - "YBR"

Very nice Greg. You do such beautiful work. I'm envious! Cool LaScala project, I hadn't noticed those before.

I wonder if he got a patent on the lab vac cleaner? Everyone knows a Rhino can't shake a tamborine, they only can play the horn. Vewwwy crever

Those look great in that photo JC. I guess mine will wind up a little wider holding 23.5" versus your 18.5" horn. That kinda took me away from Cornwall basis really, but I'm still following a similar path, just bigger. I've read about your various builds and this one seems like the right one for me. I figure if I screw it all up I can stuff the guts into a real Cornwall cab! I know Mark has your Jube cabs, I bought his KHorns. I'm also very interested in Dana's large Vb project too. I think I recall you build one of those. TallCorns first for me. Thanks for the tip on bracing, I can beef that up a little. Make My Funk The P-Funk. Ever hear the remake of "Word Up" by Korn? Who'da thought ... sounds great. Not generally a Korn fan, but that one suprised me. Putting the tweeter low definitely helps on keeping the vertical height down a bit, I'll have do draw some boxes to see how they look. I don't want to do anything that by design sounds bad. I bought 2 Crites type B's to get everything working and I'll probably start tweaking from there. On the K-Horns (since sold) I had Al's extreme slopes courtesy of Mark's work and experiences. I really liked those. I'd never heard of them before Mark. I think my first objective is to just get it all working and go from there. I might try DIY crossovers at some point, but that's new territory for me. I can solder, but not too swift with schematics. Can stare at pics and connect dots though. Prefer to get them working ala BC before I dive into DIY "complicated for me" networks. Might grab an electronic crossover to fiddle a bit and see if I can model what I need. I'm not experienced at quantitative measurement (other than when the Police show up banging on the door). Have some of the gear but need software. Woofers arrived yesterday, have the Beymas and Altecs. Getting ready ...

Thanks Don, I figured that's why I never saw that done much, if at all. Vertical it will be.

Let's try that one again - I’m wanting to embark on a "starter" DIY project as a warm up to a more complicated DIY project. I’d say for certain I’m better with wood than I am at enclosure design. At least I’ve cut down some trees with ye merry chainsaw. I’ve fiddled with (or tried at least) Horn Resp, AJ, and WinISD. You know all the free stuff. I’m leaning toward something similar to JC's TallCorn project using BC cast woofers in a direct radiator ported box. Box size I wind up with is 226 liters (8+ cubic foot), 39 Hz tune should provide 38hz at -3db, (2) 4 inch ports. Frankly if I go down to 180 liters or so it doesn’t give up a lot, but the 3 db drop heads north of 40 Hz. Freq response looks pretty flat to me above and beyond. Probably use 1” MDF with a simple side to side brace and an intersecting side to rear brace (aka JC) unless that isn’t enough or it vibates enough to chase me around the living room. For my purposes I’m trying to get below 40 Hz and give it a go w/o a sub. I’ve read a lot (not necessarily absorbed) about woofer boxes. Man some of those white papers are over my head. A Cornwallish box seems a good starting place and I’m thinking TallCorn on roids. It looks to me to be somewhere around the dimensions below to minimize standing waves. Not a perfect ratio due to Altec 511b horn size (that horn can ring a lil). Box is a proportionately a bit wider than Corn for the horn's appearance. Otherwise, I’d just clone an Altec 19 box I suppose. W 24" H 39” D 15” 8.21 cubic feet 232 liters Is it a bad idea to put the tweet between the woofer and midrange horn? The Altec is a rather wide sum-bxxxx and there’s plenty O’ real estate in the box. Otherwise, the top end gets taller to perch the tweet topside. Worth the effort? Anyone have thoughts/comments/corrections/ etc., before I hack up some MDF and plug my lungs with fiber for a couple weeks? All thoughts are certainly appreciated and please do holler if you think I'm up to something silly here. Cheers, IT

Zapped - see below!

I'd never seen it before so a good find! Thanks

New fcst from by Philip J. Klotzbach and William M. Gray dated 5 August POST 1-AUGUST PROBABILITIES FOR AT LEAST ONE MAJOR (CATEGORY 3-4-5) HURRICANE LANDFALL ON EACH OF THE FOLLOWING COASTAL AREAS: 1) Entire U.S. coastline - 67% (average for last century is 52%) 2) U.S. East Coast Including Peninsula Florida - 43% (average for last century is 31%) 3) Gulf Coast from the Florida Panhandle westward to Brownsville - 42% (average for last century is 30%) 4) Above-average major hurricane landfall risk in the Caribbean http://hurricane.atmos.colostate.edu/Forecasts

C'mon now, everyone knows that going to the moon stuff was faked ...

My tranny amp won't come out of the closet

I think it's the wrong direction There are a varietly of choices form 100 to 105 db that will prevent human verbal communication and probably do long term damage given 50 - 100 watts input. How loud are you trying to get?

"So the idea that we can alter our strategic or economic situation by producing still more oil domestically is simply nonsense. It is foolishness sold by fools to other fools, and you can’t run your car on foolishness." MD - Granted we need to conserve .... but c'mon. More selling on the futures market brings prices down. A lil good news I suppose - U.S. commercial crude oil inventories (excluding those in the Strategic Petroleum Reserve) decreased by 0.1 million barrels from the previous week. At 295.2 million barrels, U.S. crude oil inventories are in the lower half of the average range for this time of year. Total motor gasoline inventories decreased by 3.5 million barrels last week, and are near the upper boundary of the average range. Both finished gasoline inventories and gasoline blending components inventories decreased last week. Distillate fuel inventories increased by 2.4 million barrels, and are in the upper half of the average range for this time of year. Propane/propylene inventories increased by 0.5 million barrels last week but remain below the lower limit of the average range. Total commercial petroleum inventories increased by 2.6 million barrels last week, and are in the ower half of the average range for this time of year. Total products supplied over the last four-week period has averaged nearly 20.2 million barrels per day, down by 2.4 percent compared to the similar period last year. Over the last four weeks, motor gasoline demand has averaged nearly 9.4 million barrels per day, down by 2.4 percent from the same period last year. Distillate fuel demand has averaged about 4.2 million barrels per day over the last four weeks, up by 4.0 percent from the same period last year. Jet fuel demand is 6.8 percent lower over the last four weeks compared to the same four-week period last year.

I have a 2150 that works dandy!

The Rules - no holes in back ... well, okeeeeeee, maybe Something like a closet maid thing that hooks under the mantle and hangs down to hold the spkr Do you use the FPlace? Can it go in the fire chamber? If you use a fireplace screen maybe put it on a speaker stand elevated to just the top of the screen? So then maybe pop out a driver and screw thru the top of the cabinet into the mantle. Makes a hole in spkr cab. L Brackets on sides. Screw into mantle, insert spkr, screw into ends of spkr Repairing grout down the road might be easier than finding a shelf that hangs. Put the fasteners into grout lines between brick? Could mount a shelf in grout lines and sit it on the shelf I would think. Easier to drill and less trauma than drilling brick. No clue if you have brick or tile or whatever. http://www.westelm.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?partNumber=WE-PRODp193&storeId=17001&langId=-1&catalogId=17002&viewSetCode=E&parentId=WE-SH1WALSHE&retainNav=true&cmsrc=WE-SH1WALSHE Brackets - http://www.shortrunpro.com/shelf_brackets_s_vhv22ytw_vhv1ytw_vhv1ytw.aspx Just a few random thoughts there

Guess I thought in Win you would have to go ASIO which may mean bypass the soundcard or get the appropriate one to bypass KMix. Given technology why settle for less than exisits on the original CD. Or if you go higher resolution why bother if ... Neverless if it plays and one is happy, then that's the bottom line.

Assumming a new wife isn't an option, can you post a pic? Might stimulate the crafty types towards an inspired solution!

I have some, but I usually just put iTunes in Coverflow mode, full screen and run a CD or playlist. If a song comes on and I get a funny look from the wife, I keep the remote around and advance. For me, having the track info diplayed big is good. I can see what the song is in case I forgot about it and I can usually see it w/o glasses. No small feat across the room! I'd have to go look back at Frontrow, but something was different - maybe it didn't work right on coverart with playlists. I forget. BTW - I'm all for Windows based systems too. I have and use them. Just pointing out some pros and cons.

TW - it's pretty easy to blast thru a few media players, most are free. Media Monkey, WinAmp, J River. Most will grab the media already encoded off the drive and you can compare interfaces. Unless you have obscure music they all look up info pretty well.

iTunes has a simple interface. Arguably more lookups for titles etc. score hits. If you use any of the Windows systems and encode WAV you may well have tagging headaches down the road. MacBook and Mini are near silent. iMac a little louder. Put your external hardrive wherever you want and run Airport Extreme Base and wirelessly stream to iTunes at the receiver. All the effort for silence, to me is more a PC issue. I can stick my ear right up to my Macbook and generally hear nothing. The hard disk seeks are in another room. btw - some disks are louder than others in drive bays. I use WD Caviars I think it is. I can hear when i encode, but that doesn't really matter. The only big negative about iTunes is Apple refuses to include FLAC. I don't compress at all so it's not a big deal. Some would say forcing lossless is a negative. I've tried a lot of players and iTunes works in my lazy world. I use Winamp on my PCs, but I did like Media Monkey too. WinAmp can really mess up cover art in folders once in a while. A pain to correct. I don't like the "folder" logic for storing music. That's just my opinion. Bottom line to me is its a hare and turtle race for quality output. One road is simpler, not better. Both can get you to the finish line. Note the mini certainly works, but the lack of screen can make some tasks more difficult. Manually adding cover art, updates etc. Not sure how that will shake out with the new remote features yet. Some folks use Signal and mini and love it. I like to be able to grab the laptop and hook direct to external storage to rip at times - goes faster. I usually run Coverflow too which I just like. The little apple remote works fine for me.

Windows "whatever", ASIO out, replace soundcard, exact copy to rip, find an obscure player, worry about KMixer, spend time trying to bypass everything Windows wants to do ~> to DAC to make music. Eventually bit perfect copy and playback .... I guess Mr. Gates cares a bit more about Office than music. Mac, iTunes ~> to DAC. Bit perfect outta the box. Macbook and about 2TB external storage new for somewheres around ~$2,000. Does that about sum up the music aspect? Heh, I use both for music but find Windows a pain for a music server system.

Thought I read somewhere -6db wireless? Agree on the bliss of fewer wires for sure.

You hit the nail on the head. 4K for subs is a lot o ducky for me too. But I waaaaaaaaaaaaant em. Gimme some cheese to go with my whiiiiiiiiine.

Tim, Wouldn't it be easier to turn up the volume rather than get new speakers? Even a new amp would probably be cheaper if you need more watts. Unless you only have like 1 watt to play with the 106 vs 107 isn't much of a point of difference. Nor is 105 versus 109 I'd guess. 105 versus 87 might make a difference if you only have a few watts. But yes, you can find stuff with higher efficiencies. Tweeter - http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=293 110db Upper horn 2 way system ??? http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/BusinessProducts/ProfessionalSpeakers/TAD-Drivers/TD-4002+%7C+TD-4002Z?tab=B 110 db A lot of choices for mid bass cabinet - Jube KHorn LS and on and on. DIY maybe grab a BC driver. You pay for that efficiency ... $$$. So it depends whether you want 2 way or 3 way. For subs today peek at HSU and Epic. Read sub forum posts. Good stuff. All that said above you're gonna need boxes and crossovers. Get all this exotic stuff, and you will spend more $$$. I'll say it again, hot rod a pair of KHorns for your 4k and unless you listen on a basketball court you can get punishing volume and ... in spite of the fact we haven't talked about it - really great sound. Maybe try La Scalas with a sub. Upgrade the guts. Point is, and I've not heard Jubes, but KHorns can get loud enough that you can't talk to a person a couple feet away. A 100 watt amp can get the cops called on you no problem. *Blush* I'm just guessing you want volume. I like it too!

Hey Tim3 I share the fascination with those horns too. A new pair goes for about 900 Euro or about 1,350 US. 2 new HSU subs are say 2,500. You would still need drivers. I think you can probably do better. That said, we don't know what's in that Audiogon stuff. Have you thought about a pair of used KHorns? I bet you would be satisfied. For the same 4,000 you could probably upgrade KHorns and maybe even add a sub if that's your bag. All I really know about the system you tossed out is the horn itself, unless I zingged by the facts reading too fast, which is quite possible. The Oris systems look really cool to me. My wife hates em. Good luck