o0O Bill O0o

Many Questions. I went with what I could fit in the room and what looks best. Then I used the Automatic Room Optimizer (ARO) to "band-aid" my placement. I got the Book that those guys at Harman put out ( http://www.amazon.com/Sound-Reproduction-Acoustics-Psychoacoustics-Loudspeakers/dp/0240520092/ ) It might help answer your questions. I went back and forth about mashing my Khorns and Lascalas together for a "Mega" home theater. In the end I am sticking with Left Center and Right Lascalas because placement is easier AND I can use one crossover frequnecy of 80hz. Maybe someone else will chime in?

http://www.harman.com/EN-US/OurCompany/Technologyleadership/Pages/WhitePapers.aspx?CategoryID=White%20papers the sub article is from 2002, the is a good amount of information on the link. JBL is my second favorite speaker company.. too bad their Project Everest are $$$$$!

^^^ Next on Mythbusters..

So you did a Codec comparison.. ?

couple of quick replies. tragusa3, I love your setup! I always admire it, as it so close to what I have AND you have the AT screen. I'll be working with a finished room. I have kept the Klipschorns separate from the Hometheater because it's not easy to integrate their design and capability with the rest of the Hometheater. I'd have to have a separate crossover frequency for the Klipschorns and I would need two good corners. Right now from all your great suggestions I am leaning towards a Acoustically Transparent screen AND the current LCD Sony WITH 3 LaScalas. I am of course I will keep the subwoofers. The Klipschorns would go in another room, potentally the next most popular room in the house. For 5.1 surrounds, I would go for another Lascala pair. I know a few that can be had for not too much. Still I think the Heresey would work better for 7.1, by not taking up all the space in the room. PLUS I could wall/ in-wall/ in acoustic treament mount the.. oh decisions :-)

Yes. That's a much better written explanation, but I still feel that one should stick with Apple and Apple Lossless Audio. No company can integrate the music better with your lifestyle.. Meridian Sooloos is second and Sonos is third. Did you look for a music albums on Amazon (used) and compare the prices to iTunes Music Store? Also Rip a CD in Apple Lossless AND rip it in 128kbps AAC then compare which sounds acceptable enough for your ears.

Picture note: The first two are other "found on the internet" system setups the last one is mine. Okay so I want a Projector, I am moving to a new place, and I have Klipschorns and LaScalas. What is the best way to integrate my speakers? Build in? Free standing? I also received Floyd Toole's book on audio (http://www.amazon.com/Sound-Reproduction-Acoustics-Psychoacoustics-Loudspeakers/dp/0240520092) which is a great collection of why things are in audio and what must be overcome in Audio reproduction. Even touches a bit on room design. So I am a bit charged up in getting a listening/ home theater room.. I like the clean look of bulid in -especially behind an acoustically transparent screen. However, it's costly. Free standing is much simpler (less $$$) and can look cool too. I am willing to make false corners for the Klipschorns. I am also going to allocate some resources for acoustic room treatment, audio rack and some good seating. Any ideas?

Use only imported CDs encoded in Apple lossless via iTunes. OR Download only 16 bit/44khz audio. That means no content from the iTunes Music Store. I recommend amazon.com's used CD section. CDs for a dollar and shipping for 2 is a lot less that a 9.99 iTunes downloaded albums in less than ideal 256Kbps. Don't waste your money on docks to play music to your audio system. Apple sells the airport express that has an optical cable connection to connect to your receiver. Using Apple AirTunes you can control and play all your Music with the iPod touch and Apple Airport Express. i know this sounds like an apple ad but it's the best solution out there. I just noticed you are only using headphones.. So disregard the dock part.

Yes, Have them set to "Small" which is crossovered at 80 hz. The JL Audio f113 is a "World class" subwoofer. I went function over design ( sealed ), since that's my opinion on all things audio. I also think that I need 2 subwoofers for better bass. Google "pair of subwoofers" and read all the JBL and Harman white papers in the the subject. I love music and movies- what I have really delivers in mid to large rooms. for small I would say Heresy all around and dual Klipsch THX subs or JL Audio Subs.

yes, I have a similar setup. Lascalas have about 2 ft of depth, so they take up more space than the Cornwall. & You save money vs Lascalas. Lascalas are truly a "Premiun" speaker. Don't sweat the amplifier since everything works great with all Klipsch speakers. My preference is to get a pair of Klipschorns with a Cornwall or Lascala center. For surrounds stick with a few Heresy speakers.

Ha! I have a similar Cerwing Vega Subwoofer. The EL-63 "earthquake". Since I was nuts about Home theater, I purchased some JL audio subwoofers and the Cerwin Vegas are in storage.. JL audio subs have deeper bass, but cannot pressurize the air in the room like the Cerwin Vega Sub does above 40 Cycles/ sec. More to the point, I like all the tech involved with making 2 channel into a surround effect. virtual speaker is good. I have a TV with SRS Trusurround and it works well with in its constraints. ( constraints= small speakers and only 2) If you are rationalizing no going for more than two speakers, having some of the best "stereo" speakers is the best way to compromise. Still, in the end i went with 7.1 and 2.0. I like having them both, a lot! It all comes down to; It has to work for you and your house-hold.

Given my lack of technical prowess, I gotta put my vote here with Who. I was attributing the cohesive sound of the Jubilee's to their being signal aligned. It was Ben who wacked me over the head and said it was because they were 2-way. Furthermore, he suggested I dinker around with the delay to see if I could tell a difference. Though I could certainly add enough delay to create distinct echos once I got back in the ballpark for echo to go away (still not aligned as per Roy's numbers) they still had that cohesiveness that I noticed. I'd say the lions share of improvement comes from dropping a crossover point and then you get incremental gains by the signal alignment. I'll admit it kind of has me intrigued with those single driver speakers... (not enough to get rid of anything) Okay has anyone figured the cost of this mondifaction? I think that is the biggest limiting factor. I say that none of us has the staff and test capability that Klipsch or any good speaker company has. In the spirit of modification, sure it's cool. But falls short on true deliverables and really is all in the mind of the owner. Spend money on music or even another set of speakers *cough single driver/ coaxial* that are true time aligned designs.

Actually, this says that the Khorn has driver delay mismatches that really do need to be corrected. I'm not sure if you are asking about the Khorn design, the article publish date, or the results of the test by Rigma, et al. The article was published in November 1986 and is probably the most famous review written on the Khorn. Richard Heyser was a pioneer in the use of waterfall FFT diagrams and other testing techniques. His untimely death was a great loss to the profession.Chris Point 1 , I think you're right. Is the juice worth the squeeze? ~$$$$ in modifications, yeah I'm sticking with the stock design. This translates well to cars. Point 2 , I was referring to the original klipschorn design. Also,Canyonman, room size.. Someting with the golden ratio. 1:1.618 with the smallest dimension > ~10''

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Gil, I was doing a Google search and found this thread. Note that, for the record, the 8.4ms delay is between the woofer and the tweeter, not the delay between the signal and receiving microphone. The delay between the midrange and the tweeter is 1.674ms. Sorry for updating this old thread, but this is just in case someone else finds this like I did using Google. I was actually looking for the Heyser article on the Klipschorn: http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/storage/3/1037187/Richard%20C%20Heyser%20KHorn%20Review.pdf Chris no, no, this was a good resurrection. It re-enforces that PWK Klipschorn design is solid. Tells me all the cash spent in tweaks is best spent on music. :-) P.S. What is the year count on this design?

JL owner here. I'm not sure if you are aware of the PC13. The cylinder version. Might save on space. If you find a JL dealer they are more than willing to work with you. They did for me. Also I don't think you understand the level or caliber of these subs. The design shouldn't be the issue, ported or sealed, the performance should. These both are over achievers. I didn't pick Klipschorns because they were horns.. They just sound amazing! - bill

Echo the comments about the Lascala.. Or just go 6.1 Surround with what you have.. That would be killer! I bought a pair of JL Audio F113 subwoofers.. They match very well and are world class subwoofers in their own right. Bill

HAHAH great post

My guess that is joke based on the transparent base this turntable is contructed with: I don't have any personal experience with this, but a quick "google" of the net showed some pretty good reviews of this unit. My guess is that if you found one for a good price, it may indeed be worth grabbing up. I heard this turn table with some B&W 803 and some McIntosh electronics. Listened to Dark Side of the Moon I don't even remember flipping the record over, I was totally involved. Listened to a original yard sale find of Hotel California and it sounded great too. I compared it with the McIntosh Turntable since the store "Staple", VPI Classic was recently sold out. I couldn't tell the difference, but I didn't do a blind test.. . This is a seriously great turntable. Too bad the not enough pro reviews out there. . Bill

Posted Tue, Aug 3 2010 4:14 PM http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/131120/1400978.aspx#1400978 Bill

I would also would like to "pig pile" on this thread. I am moving and of course like any Klipschorn owner I look for rooms, in potential houses, that are suitable for placement. What I find is it is rare to come across two adjacent corners with room for the required space* for Klipschorns.. *4' X 4' cube or 2' extending to either side of the Klipschorns Is there an official "False Corners Owners" thread? With Pictures and in depth instructions? I haven't found one yet. Other than what the Klipschorn page has Bill

:-) I read your thread about your convert to Lascalas. Great minds think alike Bill

The only issue is making room for your TV. Bill

Tigerman, I will provide photos, because of my job I am moving, when the dust settles I will have something to show. I claim Massachusetts since that is where I was born and raised. I frequent "Home" often. I would gladly like to meet up and listen. Here is what is left, since the rest is packed up. Bill

Interesting :-) Bill