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---------------- On 8/22/2003 8:19:06 PM JasN00b wrote: the store i'm shopping with (I'm going with a B&W system.. i fell in love.. sorry Klipsch ) ---------------- No need to feel sorry. You don't have to be loyal to just one speaker company. I'm not. I own speakers made by Klipsch, B&W and JMlab. BTW, which B&W's do you plan on getting?

Wow, I didn't even know about WEGG3 speakers. I've known about Eggleston Works for a while now and they look absolutely beautiful. I bet they sound just phenominal, but alas, I can not audition them for there is no Eggleston dealer located anywhere near here. Just looking at the WEGG3 speakers, I must say they have a rather unique look, especially with the tweeter array. I can't image how much these speakers cost but it must be a lot. The Dynaudio Esotar tweeter isn't exactly cheap, and for the speakers to house 14 total is just insane. Congrats on your purchase. Your system must sound stunning. BTW, what amp are you using to drive your speakers?

---------------- On 8/11/2003 4:20:11 PM prodj101 wrote: ear, meadowlarks own the 802's, especially the higher end ones. anybody who's done a side by side would know this, I just think he would have been better off if he actually tried a few other things before dropping 8 grand. thats alot of money. ---------------- Sound is subjective, surely you know that. You don't like B&W, he obviously does. Now just leave the man alone and let him enjoy his 802's.

It all really boils down to appearance vs. optimal sound. The RC-7 would look better because of it's horizontal profile. But an RB-75 placed upside down would give you an absolutely seemless front soundstage. However, an upside down speaker placed on top of your TV looks a little odd. But Dolby and THX both recommend using identical speakers all around whenever possible. Look at this system. He uses the same three speakers for his Home Theatre. http://members.aol.com/tbmauifan/

Paradigm is an option. While I'm not really fan of their Studio speakers, they just revamped the whole line. Supposedly, the tweeters have been improved, they are a lot smoother. Also the bass has tightened up. If you can't afford the Studios, you might still be able to find some deals on the old Studios and there's the Monitor line you can look at. You can also look at JMlab. I really like JMlab speakers. I recently bought a pair of the Electra 906's and really enjoy them. While the Electras may be out of your price range, there's the Chorus line you can look at, and possibly the Cobalt line. The Cobalt line was recently changed, they now incorporate technologies from the Electra line. If the current Cobalts are too much, you might be able to find some older ones for cheap. Totem Acoustic, the Mite is an amazing little speaker. A surprising amount of bass can come out of those little guys. Monitor Audio, look at offerings from the Bronze line and possibly the Silver line. B&W, look at the 600 and CM Series. Energy is another option. The Connoisseur line offers a great value. Also, I've just learned Energy is changing their Veritas line soon, so you might be able to find some good deals on them.

I personally haven't heard the Axioms, but many people are saying they sound similar to Paradigm Studio speakers. You can audition the Axioms yourself. They have a 30 day money back guarantee. Plus they offer free shipping to anywhere in Canada and the US. Because they're so cheap, I might try them out one of these days.

I really wouldn't consider my Quintets real speakers, so my first real speakers were B&W DM602 S3's. My first good speakers are JMlab Electra 906's, which I aquired just a couple months ago.

Just curious, why must the receiver be 7.1 and not 6.1? Essentially, they're the same thing. The rear channels for both 6.1 and 7.1 play the same thing. IMO, it seems pointless to have two speakers playing the same thing when one will do just fine. BTW, out of all the receivers mentioned thus far, I would go with the NAD T762. I have one and it's fantastic. Nice warm sound, lots of power, preout/amp-in loops, HDCD, all of the latest digital formats except for DTS 24/96, what more could you ask for?

Wasn't the Servo 25 supposed to be released a couple years ago?

---------------- On 4/7/2003 3:11:57 PM foodshouldbefree wrote: Opeth ---------------- Sweet! There's another Opeth fan on this forum.

That's sounds like it will be a great system. I like the sound of NAD amps. Very musical, detailed, but not bright or harsh at all. I'm actually thinking about getting that same receiver for my system. I'm just waiting for my dealer to get some units in. The PW is a great sub. It's one of the best bang for the buck subs in Canada. With how cheap they are here, I would probably get two of them.

---------------- On 3/25/2003 9:36:55 AM jp ward wrote: M&K thats what lucas/THX uses. But why have a HT system only when you can have Klipsch and have music ALSO. ---------------- Actually they use B&W speakers now. http://www.bwspeakers.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/local.news/ObjectID/77450F53-CE74-4B25-A9837A85737DCB01

---------------- On 3/21/2003 3:15:34 PM JewishAMerPrince wrote: I have been told by others that Rotel may be a bit bright for the RF's, and even more noticable because of the fact that I am coming out of a Denon receiver and have a slightly bright room. ---------------- I think you may find the opposite. Rotel leans on the warm side of neutral. They may sound bright with a bright speaker like your RF's. However, in my experience, I've found Denons to be bright compared to Rotels. Denons do have a relatively warm midrange and midbass, yet the highs tend to be very sharp. I think it's because of the warmth that Denons process in the lower frequencies that make people believe that it's a good pairing for brighter speakers. I think you'd be better off with the Rotels than with your current Denon receiver. BTW, I think being snooty is a requirement to become a Rotel dealer. My local dealer definately isn't something to write home about.

For under $5000? There are a lot of systems you could get for under $5000. Energy Veritas: http://www.energy-speakers.com/veritas/veritas_speakers1.html B&W CDM NT: http://www.bwspeakers.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.ranges/label/Range%20CDM%20NT%20Series JMlab Cobalt: http://www.focal-jmlab.fr/gb/home/cobalt/index.htm Monitor Audio Gold Reference: http://www.monitoraudiousa.com/products/gold/index.html Paradigm Reference Studio: http://www.paradigm.ca/Website/SiteReferenceProduct/RModels/StudioSeries/studioseries.html Dynaudio Audience: http://www.dynaudiousa.com/products/audience/aud1.htm Those are just the ones I can name off the top of my head. There are many, many more. Since speakers are very subjective, I couldn't say which one is best.

I'm guessing it's replacement is the new Halo A52. http://www.parasound.com/halonew/A52front.asp All Halo products are shipping now. It's still very new, so don't be surprised if your dealer doesn't have it yet.

Spade on speaker side, banana on amp side.

---------------- On 3/5/2003 6:40:17 AM KAiN64 wrote: TheEAR, If there is ABSOLUTLY NO COMPARISON between Dynaudio, B&W, and KEF, then why doesn't everyone think Dynaudio is "the best"? ---------------- Because speakers are very subjective. Everyone has different tastes in sound, that's why so many different speaker companies exist. It's obvious that TheEAR is a big Dynaudio fan. I have not heard KEF speakers before, but I have heard various B&W and Dynaudio speakers. (B&W 602S3, 603S2, CM2, CDM1NT, CDM9NT, 805, 802, Dyn 42, 42W, 52, 62, 72, 1.3MKII, and 1.8MKII) There wasn't a clear winner at any price point, IMO. The B&W's have a midrange clarity that I really liked and the highs were quite exciting. Dynaudio has great neutrality and transparency. Both brands, especially in the higher price ranges, imaged great and created a huge three dimensional sound. However, I've noticed on the lower priced models from both companies and the highs can be a little fatiguing at times. I really like both brands. I likely would have bought the Dynaudio 42's, however my dealer stopped carrying Dynaudio speakers about a month before I was going to make my purchase. So my choices were narrowed down to the B&W 602's and JMlab Cobalt 806's. I went with the B&W's.

It really all depends on the components used in the systems. I've heard RF7's, RB5's, B&W 802's and 805's in many different setups using many different components. Some components really bring out details in recordings, while some others sound a tad muddy at times. There have been a couple times where my scratched CD's made a slight click in playback, but I heard them on both the Klipsch and B&W's. IMO, I find that B&W Nautilus speakers sound a bit more detailed than Klipsch Reference speakers. They just aren't as forward, in-your-face, if you will, as the Klipsch.

What exactly is your budget for the receiver? It would be best if you could audition all those receivers and pick the one you like the best. But IMO, the best to worst would be: Marantz H/K Pioneer Sony (BTW, the Sonys aren't as bad as some people say. Just keep to the ES series) Kenwood

More expensive DVD players work well with CD's. All the DVD players I audition above the $800 dollar mark ($500 US) work really well as CD players. However I find that dedicated CD players still work better for CD's. I used my DVD player, a Denon DVD-1600, for playing CD's for a few months. And it sounds great. It has a nice full sound, with a little bit of warmth in the midbass area. But after awhile, the brightness of the Denon really started to annoy me. So I bought a Sony 222ES SACD changer. My CD's now sound a bit better. It has a full sound, it's more detailed than the Denon, and it's not as bright. I can now listen to my CD's a little louder than before and not get fatigued.

Would a center speaker stand work? I use one. I know it doesn't place the tweeter at the same height as your mains, but if you buy one that is angled up it shouldn't matter too much.

Hi Dean. I've sent you an email.

I believe all HK products are made in China.

Look into the NAD T752 receiver. http://www.nadelectronics.com/Receiver/T752.html It's under $1000, and it should go very well with your speakers.

The Denon is great for HT but it's lacking in 2 channel. It sounded really lifeless. I've heard the Pioneer 45, not the 47. I found the 45 to be very similar to the Denon in sound quality. Great HT, okay 2 channel. I would go with the Rotel. It's basically a RSP-1066 but with a 5 channel internal amp and a tuner. It's not as bright as the Denon or Pioneer, but it's high end is a lot clearer. I found it's 2 channel is a lot better than the Denon and Pioneer. Plus it sounded great for HT. Also the Rotel is upgradable, and Rotel has been releasing upgrades for it on a regular basis. I can't comment on the B&K.